AMD Richland for desktops reviewed

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The following chart reflects aggregate performance of the four CPUs we tested. The red bar is the average of all benchmark performance categories, and the aquamarine bar gives us average power efficiency.




If you took the time to flip through our individual benchmark results, none of these results should surprise you. The A10-6700 offers similar performance as a stock A10-5800K, but offers greater efficiency.

Unfortunately, it's also multiplier-locked. I have to believe that if you're willing to spend $150 on a 65 W A10 that can't be overclocked easily, then you're probably better off with a 55 W Core i3 that's also stuck in place for $10 less.

How about the unlocked models? AMD's A10-6800K is slightly faster than the -5800K it succeeds, roughly matching the Core i3-3220 in applications, while killing its HD Graphics 2500 engine in games. Based on performance data generated in The Core i7-4770K Review: Haswell Is Faster; Desktop Enthusiasts Yawn, we also know that an A10-5800K's graphics component is faster than HD Graphics 4000 and HD Graphics 4600. Unless Intel finds a way to get its higher-end graphics configurations on desktop processors, AMD's APUs maintain their top position for mainstream gaming.

The Intel chip's performance in single-threaded apps is exceptional. It holds its own in more parallelized workloads. And it offers the best efficiency, without question.




At the end of the day, AMD's Richland design is an iterative evolution of the Trinity architecture. It's not a game-changer. The only real surprise in this story is that, complemented by 2133 MT/s memory, the A10-6800K manages to elbow past the same processor with a discrete Radeon HD 6670 DDR3 installed. That's what we consider an entry-level gaming card, so the APU's achievement is a significant one. A quick price check shows that dual-channel, 8 GB, 1866 and 2133 MT/s kits start around $70. Armed with that, you can get low-end game performance without spending more on a graphics card. Consider this a landmark of sorts; a number of games are playable at reduced details using Richland-based parts, just as they were with Trinity.

Of course, when you have a little more money to spend, we also see that the Core i3's x86 cores allow even cheap graphics cards to performance closer to their peak potential without imposing a bottleneck. As far as gaming goes, then, the APUs fill a fairly narrow niche, above which you're better off with an add-in GPU and fewer restrictions on the settings you can use.

Calling Richland a stopgap between Trinity and the next-gen Kaveri would be just about right. From what we hear, Kaveri should still land sometime late this year. So, although Intel took a big step in catching up to AMD with its HD Graphics 4600 engine, the integration of GCN should help AMD widen that gap again. Steamroller-derived x86 should help as well, as should the implementation of hUMA (heterogeneous unified memory architecture). Unfortunately, Kaveri requires a new socket interface, so it won't be an upgrade path for anything with Trinity or considering Richland.
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R0H1T

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Apart from power efficiency numbers its mostly yawning every other way also is it just me or does Intel intend to outdo AMD in under performance this current gen ?
 

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Something's up with the ASRock A85X boards it seems. Both TechReport and TomsHardware reported 10% increase in load power usage and 0% increase in gaming performance compared to the 5800K. Other reviews measured the power usage at the same levels or lower with a 5-10% increase in gaming performance.

Probably needs a BIOS update.
 

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Something's up with the ASRock A85X boards it seems. Both TechReport and TomsHardware reported 10% increase in load power usage and 0% increase in gaming performance compared to the 5800K. Other reviews measured the power usage at the same levels or lower with a 5-10% increase in gaming performance.

Probably needs a BIOS update.

That is because they use the normal ram which limits richland greatly. When they use the 2133ram you see it being alot faster in games.

and power consumption in the game it delivers 3 times the framerate of the intel part. so consuming more should be put into perspective between those. So the intel chip is doing nothing while AMD chips is doing alot.

Only in that game benchmark the 6800K consumers more energy according to Tom in everything else richland consumes alot less than 5800K.
 

R0H1T

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Something's up with the ASRock A85X boards it seems. Both TechReport and TomsHardware reported 10% increase in load power usage and 0% increase in gaming performance compared to the 5800K. Other reviews measured the power usage at the same levels or lower with a 5-10% increase in gaming performance.

Probably needs a BIOS update.
Nope, look at the chart above ~ using A10-6700 as the base a stock A10-5800K is 5% slower in games & 8% less efficient than A10-6800K giving the latter roughly a lead of 10% overall at stock speeds.
 

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Nope, look at the chart above ~ using A10-6700 as the base a stock A10-5800K is 5% slower in games & 8% less efficient than A10-6800K giving the latter roughly a lead of 10% overall at stock speeds.

Only with faster memory. When you account for the improvement Trinity also gains with 2133 memory (6-7% according to Toms), the difference is only 7-8%.

By comparison, OverclockersClub tested Richland with an updated beta BIOS + tested both chips with 2133 memory and found Richland was 16% faster in GPU synthetics and 18% faster in Metro 2033. I don't know how reliable they are though.
 

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From NewEgg

A10-6700K $148,99
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 2400MHz $64,99

Total = $213,98

Core i3 3220 $129,99
Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB DDR3 1333 $50,99
PowerColor HD 6670 1GB $54,99

Total = 235,97

Hell, it is cheaper to get the A10-6700K + 8GB 2400MHz memory than Core i3 3220 + 8GB 1333MHz + HD6670(DDR3) while having the same performance and im sure lower consumption. That's amazing.

Again, Intel will have to lower the price of Core i3.

Most of these games are barely playable on these systems in 1080p using lowest/medium settings. Metro is not playable even in 720p.
Do yourself a favor, spare your eyes, add $20-30 and buy i3 + HD 6670 GDDR5
 
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Most of these games are barely playable on these systems in 1080p using lowest/medium settings. Metro is not playable even in 720p.
Do yourself a favor, spare your eyes, add $20-30 and buy i3 + HD 6670 GDDR5

Exactly, or even a 7750 or 7770. For gaming on the desktop, adding a discrete card is still the way to go.
I know it costs a bit more for a discrete card, but considering the costs of a total system, buying games, internet, etc, it just makes no sense to try to game on an APU.
 
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From NewEgg

A10-6700K $148,99
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 2400MHz $64,99

Total = $213,98

Core i3 3220 $129,99
Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB DDR3 1333 $50,99
PowerColor HD 6670 1GB $54,99

Total = 235,97

Hell, it is cheaper to get the A10-6700K + 8GB 2400MHz memory than Core i3 3220 + 8GB 1333MHz + HD6670(DDR3) while having the same performance and im sure lower consumption. That's amazing.

Again, Intel will have to lower the price of Core i3.

if you are gaming, it makes little sense to use the IGP or a 6670 DDR3 when you can buy a 7750 DDR5 for little more

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113328
X4 750k = $85
8GB = $46 (even if it's the cheapest single channel 1333, it's irrelevant compared to the GPU difference for gaming)
7750 DDR5 $84-94 (or a 7770, 650 Ti, quite a few for lower price like $100, $110 or something).

looks like it's the same price as the richland build, but with a GPU faster than the Kaveri IGP,

comparing the IGP to a 6670 DDR3 (probably 1600-1333 or even 1066 memory or something), it's nice to see that the IGP can be faster, but the power usage advantage is also pretty small.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/898-2/gpu-consommation-jeux-opencl.html
 
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Most of these games are barely playable on these systems in 1080p using lowest/medium settings. Metro is not playable even in 720p.

F1 2012 minimum fps = 43 perfectly playable
Skyrim minimum fps = 36 perfectly playable
Tomb Raider minimum fps = 34 perfectly playable
Metro Last Light minimum fps = 20 playable

Do yourself a favor, spare your eyes, add $20-30 and buy i3 + HD 6670 GDDR5

Do your self a favor, add another $100 and buy a A6-6600K + HD7850 or even better, add another $200 and get an HD7950. Now that i thing about it, why not add another $350 and get a GTX780. Yes yes i know, you will be CPU bottleneck, so add another $300 and get a Core i7.

 

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Richland still has half the cache bandwidth of sandy bridge. It is the largest bottleneck they have and yet they made absolutely no attempt to address it.
 
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F1 2012 minimum fps = 43 perfectly playable
Skyrim minimum fps = 36 perfectly playable
Tomb Raider minimum fps = 34 perfectly playable
Metro Last Light minimum fps = 20 playable



Do your self a favor, add another $100 and buy a A6-6600K + HD7850 or even better, add another $200 and get an HD7950. Now that i thing about it, why not add another $350 and get a GTX780. Yes yes i know, you will be CPU bottleneck, so add another $300 and get a Core i7.


Look at the IQ settings. Tomb Raider is at a decent resolution, medium detail, while Metro is at 720p, lowest detail settings. So in the two new games tested, both are only playable at lowest settings, and on one you have to lower the resolution to cheap laptop screen levels.

I would expect some more demanding newer games like FC3 and Crysis 3 to require even lower settings or not be playable at all. If you want to play that way, when you can have a much better experience for 50 to 100 dollars, go ahead I guess, if somehow it is that important to you to prove an APU is a "gaming" chip. although it seems like cutting off your nose to spite you face as the saying goes.
 
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AtenRa

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Look at the IQ settings. Tomb Raider is at a decent resolution, medium detail, while Metro is at 720p, lowest detail settings. So in the two new games tested, both are only playable at lowest settings, and on one you have to lower the resolution to cheap laptop screen levels.

I would expect some more demanding newer games like FC3 and Crysis 3 to require even lower settings or not be playable at all. If you want to play that way, when you can have a much better experience for 50 to 100 dollars, go ahead I guess, if somehow it is that important to you to prove an APU is a "gaming" chip. although it seems like cutting off your nose to spite you face as the saying goes.

Currently, the only game I have tested and not being playable at 1080p is Metro Last Light. Crysis 3 and FC3 is playable at 1080p Low.


If you are ok with gaming at 1366x768 on laptops, you are more than fine at 1080p Low for desktops.
 

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Richland still has half the cache bandwidth of sandy bridge. It is the largest bottleneck they have and yet they made absolutely no attempt to address it.

Richland is basically the same silicon as trinity. They can't make those kinds of adjustments.

I think the gains are impressive given the limitations.
 

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F1 2012 minimum fps = 43 perfectly playable
Skyrim minimum fps = 36 perfectly playable
Tomb Raider minimum fps = 34 perfectly playable
Metro Last Light minimum fps = 20 playable



Do your self a favor, add another $100 and buy a A6-6600K + HD7850 or even better, add another $200 and get an HD7950. Now that i thing about it, why not add another $350 and get a GTX780. Yes yes i know, you will be CPU bottleneck, so add another $300 and get a Core i7.


People building their own PC's are hardly going to pick this for a gaming rig - be honest. Even if they are really poor they'll just buy a cheaper but faster intel cpu, and if necessary stick an old graphics card in till they can afford something decent. It's then easy to upgrade cpu + gpu to something much faster as funds allow, with AMD you have no where to go as you are already on the fastest cpu.

The only people who would be interested in one of these is someone buying a cheap desktop for their kids from a shop - then you get a basic gaming rig for bargain prices.
 

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It shows that AMD is getting a handle on the power consumption issue and that they finally have 32nm mastered at GF. Its about time
 

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People building their own PC's are hardly going to pick this for a gaming rig - be honest. Even if they are really poor they'll just buy a cheaper but faster intel cpu, and if necessary stick an old graphics card in till they can afford something decent. It's then easy to upgrade cpu + gpu to something much faster as funds allow, with AMD you have no where to go as you are already on the fastest cpu.

The only people who would be interested in one of these is someone buying a cheap desktop for their kids from a shop - then you get a basic gaming rig for bargain prices.
you can always add a graphics card later...if you htpc or small formfactor case can handle it...why do so much people miss the point of the apu? it is not meant for high end gaming (I mean honestly every-time I read those comments I face palm) so that is why AMD still makes $200+ graphics cards. It is meant for everyday computing, where software can now utilize gpgpu, cpu and graphics in a small, aggressively priced package. Secondarily It can handle some recent games and pretty much max out older games at 1080p.
 

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With the extra $$$ for the memory, I would rather just get a discrete GPU and a cheaper CPU.

Celeron + discrete would blow this away...
 

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When you realise that most people who are gaming on a PC are playing old stuff like WoW and counterstrike it's clear that this is good enough performance at a cheap price. This is what people want, most of them couldn't tell the difference between high and medium settings and are quite happy with 720p instead of 1080p.
 

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When you realise that most people who are gaming on a PC are playing old stuff like WoW and counterstrike it's clear that this is good enough performance at a cheap price. This is what people want, most of them couldn't tell the difference between high and medium settings and are quite happy with 720p instead of 1080p.

even this aside, it is about what you get for the money. Any other way is a compromise, celeron+discrete = higher frames, lower compute and on the opposite end i5-4670-4770 = lower frames, higher compute. The A10 sits in between the two options for cheaper!
 
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even this aside, it is about what you get for the money. Any other way is a compromise, celeron+discrete = higher frames, lower compute and on the opposite end i5-4670-4770 = lower frames, higher compute. The A10 sits in between the two options for cheaper!

Trying to game on an igp on the desktop is the mother of all compromises, trading off so much in gaming quality for a minimal cost savings. If someone hates intel that much, or for some reason feels they must promote amd they would still be better off for gaming with an old Phenom II and a discrete card, or the new athlon x4 with the igp disabled as someone else suggested.
 
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When you realise that most people who are gaming on a PC are playing old stuff like WoW and counterstrike it's clear that this is good enough performance at a cheap price. This is what people want, most of them couldn't tell the difference between high and medium settings and are quite happy with 720p instead of 1080p.

We are talking about the desktop here. Do you honestly think people are still using (or ever used) 720p monitors. They might not know much about computers, but I bet they can see that most games look like crap when run at non native resolutions.
 

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We are talking about the desktop here. Do you honestly think people are still using (or ever used) 720p monitors. They might not know much about computers, but I bet they can see that most games look like crap when run at non native resolutions.

Millions of people still have 1280x1024, 1440x900, 1600x900 and 1680x1050 monitors. Just have a look at steam to get a glimpse. Also, millions of people game at sub 720p on big TVs with PS3 and Xbox, why gaming at 720p or above with an APU is not ok ??

Obviously APUs are not for you but guess again, You and Me are a minority, most of PCs sold globally are sub $500-600. And people still play on them.
 
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