AMD Richland for desktops reviewed

[AtenRa]

The answer is obvious, but you refuse to acknowledge it.

And you refuse to answer the question, if APUs are ok for 1366x768 gaming in Laptops why they are not OK for 1080p gaming in Desktops ??

You cannot add a discrete card to a laptop.

Fanny, people were arguing they could buy a Laptop with dGPU at the same price as Trinity laptops when they released. When you comparing a cheap APU Laptop, you have to compare it against a cheap APU Desktop.
You get the same gaming experience, one at 1366x768 and the other at 1920x1080. If people are fine gaming at below 720p with consoles or at 1366x768 in Laptops, they are even better gaming with desktop APUs at 1080p.

PC Gamers are not only people playing at 2560x1600 maxout with triple SLI Titans, gamers are everyone that plays games in their PCs, Desktops or not.

 

[Phynaz]

The answer is obvious, but you refuse to acknowledge it. You cannot add a discrete card to a laptop.

Give it up, you can't get him to stay on topic. He'll just move the goalposts in his next post.

 

[beginner99]

If APUs are useful on cheap gaming laptops(1366x768) then why they are not useful for cheap desktop PCs for 1080p on Low settings ??

Is it because Intel doesnt have a product in this category ??? Cheap and able to play on 1080p Low Settings ??

No because as earlier mention in this very thread you can get something a lot better gaming wise at the same or marginal higher cost. And with marginal I mean like $50 and compared to total system owner cost including windows license and the games in question. If you can't invest $50 more in a dedicated GPU (and save on the CPU, eg. get apentium or the Athlon x4) I think you should look for another hobby.

For me $50 over the lifetime of a pc is just a very, very minor amount...and it is the difference between 720p or 1080p or low or high settings...

 

[Chiropteran]

It's not just cost. A dedicated GPU adds heat, power usage, noise, doesn't allow for a tiny mini ITX case.

And sometimes it is cost, because gaming isn't a priority. It comes down to a $300 computer, and the AMD version can game on the side for free, while the Intel one can only effectively game on the side with an extra $50 video card added, it's an easy choice to take the AMD.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Give it up, you can't get him to stay on topic. He'll just move the goalposts in his next post.

Yes, I get into this argument every time with the AMD fans arguing that an APU is an good choice for gaming on the desktop. I feel it is not for the reasons I have stated many times.

It is a very limited choice, suitable for limited situations such as SFF devices, but is a very poor compromise for a conventional desktop. However, it is pointless to continue this discussion with posters who obviously will insist otherwise despite any evidence to the contrary.

 

[SiliconWars]

Yes, I get into this argument every time with the AMD fans arguing that an APU is an good choice for gaming on the desktop. I feel it is not for the reasons I have stated many times.

It is a very limited choice, suitable for limited situations such as SFF devices, but is a very poor compromise for a conventional desktop. However, it is pointless to continue this discussion with posters who obviously will insist otherwise despite any evidence to the contrary.

What evidence is that? I already showed you that the majority of gamers are using less hardware than a 6800k provides. It's probably a lot less considering the kind of cpu's that they must also be using will be a lot slower as well. Just face the facts, most gamers don't need discrete and don't need to pay another 90 bucks to reach what you consider playable.

 

[Abwx]

What is pointless is to ignore that 80-90% of the sold DTs
have only an IGP and still proping up the irrelevant "it s better
with a Dgfx" as a cover to refusing to aknowledge that AMD
products is often superior on an average PC buyer usages
expectations.

 

[AtenRa]

APEVIA X-FIT-100 Black Steel Mini-ITX Tower Computer Case 250W Power Supply = $39,99 after $10.00 AR

ASRock FM2A75M-ITX R2.0 FM2 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX AMD Motherboard = $84,99

AMD A10-6800K Richland 4.1GHz Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop Processor - Black Edition AMD Radeon HD AD680KWOHLBOX = $149,99

GeIL EVO Leggara Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model GEL38GB2133C11DC = $68,99

Sum = 343,96

Add a HDD or SSD and you are ready to game with a Mini-iTX case and very low power Consumption due to mini-itx motherboard + 250W PSU. If you want even lower consumption get the A10-6700.

Try to get the same performance in gaming from an Intel system in the same Case, same price and same power consumption if you can :whiste:

 

[Mallibu]

Yes, I get into this argument every time with the AMD fans arguing that an APU is an good choice for gaming on the desktop. I feel it is not for the reasons I have stated many times.

It is a very limited choice, suitable for limited situations such as SFF devices, but is a very poor compromise for a conventional desktop. However, it is pointless to continue this discussion with posters who obviously will insist otherwise despite any evidence to the contrary.

It's made from AMD therefore they support it. Banana ape logic.
Most people I know wouldn't torture themselves playing at 20 fps @ low-medium details, but these guys here are trying to convince us it's the next best thing.
Well if it is so great for all those people, AMD should be having a major market share gain all this time.
Is it?

 

[SiliconWars]

It's made from AMD therefore they support it. Banana ape logic.
Most people I know wouldn't torture themselves playing at 20 fps @ low-medium details, but these guys here are trying to convince us it's the next best thing.
Well if it is so great for all those people, AMD should be having a major market share gain all this time.
Is it?

The problem you have is a total lack of understanding of the market. I've shown you that most gamers are using LESS than what a 6800K provides as a gaming platform.


Let me point it out to you once more - people are not playing at low 20fps with these APU's because they are gaming on smaller screens than what your enthusiast mindset can handle. It's that simple and you are just ignoring the clear facts now.

 

[Phynaz]

It's not just cost. A dedicated GPU adds heat, power usage, noise, doesn't allow for a tiny mini ITX case.

But I thought you didn't care about those. Maybe just when they support your position I guess.

 

[Mallibu]

The problem you have is a total lack of understanding of the market. I've shown you that most gamers are using LESS than what a 6800K provides as a gaming platform.


Let me point it out to you once more - people are not playing at low 20fps with these APU's because they are gaming on smaller screens than what your enthusiast mindset can handle. It's that simple and you are just ignoring the clear facts now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116886 65 $
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102969 90$

Explain to me, why shouldn't I gave the same money to buy a G2020 & 7750 dGPU and have double the performance in gaming?

 

[Shephard]

According to the Steam hardware survey, two-thirds of people are still gaming below 1080p - http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

A couple of weeks ago I showed how three-quarters of gamers were currently using graphics cards less powerful than a 7750 - http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35051846&postcount=16

Forget about the top third of gamers and you can quite clearly see that APU's are good enough. Kaveri will close the gap more and before long 90%+ of people will be gaming on an APU (or believe it or not - something less powerful).

As I said in my post. People who are building new systems and get new monitors, you think they will get a LOWER resolution monitor? No.

An i3 with a discrete card will smoke an APU and it's not much more money.

Also still frames of 1080p is not impressive sorry. Upload a 10 minute movie of gameplay with fps.

 

[AtenRa]

Most people I know wouldn't torture themselves playing at 20 fps @ low-medium details,

Nobody ever said anything about 20fps.

but these guys here are trying to convince us it's the next best thing.

Nobody told you youll get the same gaming experience as having a Titan, but you can game at 1080p on Low settings.

Have you used an AMD APU like A10-6800K ???

 

[AtenRa]

As I said in my post. People who are building new systems and get new monitors, you think they will get a LOWER resolution monitor? No.

See the mini-itx system above, it can game at 1080p Low settings in newer AAA titles.

An i3 with a discrete card will smoke an APU and it's not much more money.

It still is more money and you also get higher power consumption and bigger case.

Also still frames of 1080p is not impressive sorry. Upload a 10 minute movie of gameplay with fps.

Ill do that very soon

 

[Vesku]

APUs make sense when the form factor is restrictive. If your case supports a GPU than CPU + discrete is better in terms of what the end user gets. However, what is good for the end user is only part of the equation, companies generally like having less individual parts in their electronic products.

 

[Mallibu]

See the mini-itx system above, it can game at 1080p Low settings in newer AAA titles.



It still is more money and you also get higher power consumption and bigger case.



Ill do that very soon

With the G2020 & 7750 at the same price, I'm getting double the performance.
Power consumption is only relevant in large enough differences, like the FX case where it consumes double and triple the power. You talk about 5-10 watt differences which are a non-factor.

So, you expect me to lose half gaming performance for a chance to use a mini case, and 5-10 watt lower consumption?
Awful.

 

[mrmt]

An i3 with a discrete card will smoke an APU and it's not much more money.

Do you really think that people will be trying to save pocket change for a thing they will spend 2-3 years with it? You can't save a pizza (maybe not even a burguer + fries + drink) by going AMD in this case, and if you are going desktop, what's the problem in adding discrete?

 

[AtenRa]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116886 65 $
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102969 90$

Explain to me, why shouldn't I gave the same money to buy a G2020 & 7750 dGPU and have double the performance in gaming?

Are you sure you'll not going to be CPU bottlenecked with that dual core meh of a CPU ? even with HD7750.

Even core i3 looses to an A8-5500 in Crysis 3 :whiste:

 

[Mallibu]

Are you sure you'll not going to be CPU bottlenecked with that dual core meh of a CPU ? even with HD7750.

Even core i3 looses to an A8-5500 in Crysis 3 :whiste:

So the solution you have then is to get the APU and play at 17 fps.
No good, sorry.

I can always get a Phenom II 965 for 90$ (25 $ more expensive in total from what you are suggesting) and stomp down any APU.
25$ for double the performance, is absolutely worth it.

 

[Chiropteran]

So I guess you guys are all in agreement that Haswell was a colossal failure? Since apparently a clearly superior & cheaper graphics of richland is not good enough, obviously nobody on this planet would ever pay more and get less with Haswell, right?

 

[Mallibu]

So I guess you guys are all in agreement that Haswell was a colossal failure? Since apparently a clearly superior & cheaper graphics of richland is not good enough, obviously nobody on this planet would ever pay more and get less with Haswell, right?

Way of moving the goalposts again.
Haswell compared to it's competitor, FX, has:
- A lot better CPU performance (that's the primary reason for a CPU purchase aint it?)
- 1 / 3 the power consumption
- IGP (FX has none)

Let's compare apples to apples please.

 

[Chiropteran]

Way of moving the goalposts again.
Haswell compared to it's competitor, FX, has:
- A lot better CPU performance (that's the primary reason for a CPU purchase aint it?)
- 1 / 3 the power consumption
- IGP (FX has none)

Let's compare apples to apples please.

Apples to apples would be haswell to richland, as they are both newly released and both include IGP. It seems like you are the one trying to shift the comparison in your favor. Besides, this is the richland thread. Complain about FX in another thread please.

Also, where exactly did you get the idea haswell uses 1/3 the power of FX? That sounds like a blatant lie if I have ever seen one. You trying to tell me all haswell CPU use less than 40W at peak?

 

[Gikaseixas]

For games that aren't very demanding a top sku APU is ok. I play DOW 2, DIRT 2, FIFA 2012, F1 2012, StreetFighter 4, COD MW, etc, etc with my kids on our playroom 720p TV all the time

Users talking nosense here are the one who never experienced one of these APUs. You really should give it a try before making statements like that.

 

[Mallibu]

Apples to apples would be haswell to richland, as they are both newly released and both include IGP. It seems like you are the one trying to shift the comparison in your favor. Besides, this is the richland thread. Complain about FX in another thread please.

Also, where exactly did you get the idea haswell uses 1/3 the power of FX? That sounds like a blatant lie if I have ever seen one. You trying to tell me all haswell CPU use less than 40W at peak?

Apples to apples is Haswell to FX. If not, then tell me what is the competitor to FX?

Also, you forgot to mention the part that we're talking about CPUs, and the CPU performance of haswell is twice of an 6800.
You don't judge a CPU on a part that 10% care about (iGPU) and ignore the main point (CPU performance).

I'm saying A6800 is a failed product because with 25$ more you can get twice gaming performance, and that's the whole point of the discussion.