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Markfw

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Well, I am RMA'ing my 2700x. It started to run hot. It was 95c and barely throttleing (at stock) with a NH-D15 Noctura. So, in case the fans were not working at correct speed or something, I put the stock HSF on, and now its still running 95c, but throttling a lot more, down to 3.5 ghz @1.2 vcore NOT as it used to work doing 4 ghz @ 1.35 and 85c (still too hot IMO) on the same said noctura cooler.
 
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Well, I am RMA'ing my 2700x. It started to run hot. It was 95c and barely throttleing (at stock) with a NH-D15 Noctura. So, in case the fans were not working at correct speed or something, I put the stock HSF on, and now its still running 95c, but throttling a lot more, down to 3.5 ghz @1.2 vcore NOT as it used to work doing 4 ghz @ 1.35 and 85c (still too hot IMO) on the same said noctura cooler.
Did you ever do a power consumption check from the wall? It'd be interesting to see if your system pulls more power than other 2700x systems.

Mine at stock pulls ~195w at the wall under a 16t load.
 

Shamrock

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@Markfw

Didn't you flash the BIOS to the 1.35 beta? Try flashing it back to official 1.10. Just a thought before RMAing the CPU.
 

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@Markfw What are you using to measure temps? What kind of load? IIRC, even the latest coretemp will not accurately detect the temps on the new Ryzen CPUs, so I load Ryzen master on my 2700x system. Coretemp was telling me 95C, which of course is too high.
 

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I am thinking of tweaking my Ryzen system to get better performance out of the RAM timings. In others' experience, is it easy to apply the stilt's timings to a Gigabyte B350M? Can I do this with B350? Currently using the XMP 3200CL14 settings on my Gskill Trident Z.
 

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Well, I am RMA'ing my 2700x. It started to run hot. It was 95c and barely throttleing (at stock) with a NH-D15 Noctura. So, in case the fans were not working at correct speed or something, I put the stock HSF on, and now its still running 95c, but throttling a lot more, down to 3.5 ghz @1.2 vcore NOT as it used to work doing 4 ghz @ 1.35 and 85c (still too hot IMO) on the same said noctura cooler.
Did you try it in a different motherboard?
 

Markfw

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Did you try it in a different motherboard?
I don't know what good that would do. It won't do 3.8 at less than 1.35 vcore, thats worse than my 1800x, that why it gets so hot. And it won't do the 4 ghz all-core turbo that its supposed to.
 
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Markfw

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@Markfw What are you using to measure temps? What kind of load? IIRC, even the latest coretemp will not accurately detect the temps on the new Ryzen CPUs, so I load Ryzen master on my 2700x system. Coretemp was telling me 95C, which of course is too high.
Ryzen master for temps and speed. The load was asteroids@home
 
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I don't know what good that would do. It won't do 3.8 at less than 1.35 vcore, thats worse than my 1800x, that why it gets so hot. And it won't do the 4 ghz all-core turbo that its supposed to.

Doesn't sound like there's anything actually wrong with it, just that it lost the silicon lottery.
 

Markfw

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Doesn't sound like there's anything actually wrong with it, just that it lost the silicon lottery.
I thought it was supposed to do 4 ghz all-core turbo. It is running 3.5ghz@95c ! Throttleing.
 
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Space Tyrant

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I don't know what good that would do. It won't do 3.8 at less than 1.35 vcore, thats worse than my 1800x, that why it gets so hot. And it won't do the 4 ghz all-core turbo that its supposed to.
Perhaps your airflow isn't working well?
That's one thing that could cause all of the problems you mentioned.

You could open the case and aim a box fan into it and quickly determine if that's the problem.
 

Markfw

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Perhaps your airflow isn't working well?
That's one thing that could cause all of the problems you mentioned.

You could open the case and aim a box fan into it and quickly determine if that's the problem.
It IS an open case, and even with a huge box fan pointed at it, it does not change the temp.

I had the NH-D15 on it, and could get to 3.9, again at stock, but still not 4 ghz
 
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It IS an open case, and even with a huge box fan pointed at it, it does not change the temp.

I had the NH-D15 on it, and could get to 3.9, again at stock, but still not 4 ghz
Wow! Are those temps at stock settings?

My 2700x, which matches the voltages/frequency tables I've seen almost exactly, does 3.8GHz at 1.025 vcore at 100% load -- so my chip appears to be 'typical'. At that setting and at full 16t load the system pulls 132w at the wall with CPUTIN at 44c.

The reason I asked earlier about your current draw is that it is a quick way to narrow down the cause of your hot chip between a defective chip or a heat management problem. If it is indeed a defective chip actually producing too much heat, you would be able to see above average wattage use. Alternatively, if it is a cooling problem, your wattage would be typical for your voltage, frequency, and load. If it's a cooling problem and it's throttling, your wattage may actually read lower than typical.
 

Markfw

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Wow! Are those temps at stock settings?

My 2700x, which matches the voltages/frequency tables I've seen almost exactly, does 3.8GHz at 1.025 vcore at 100% load -- so my chip appears to be 'typical'. At that setting and at full 16t load the system pulls 132w at the wall with CPUTIN at 44c.

The reason I asked earlier about your current draw is that it is a quick way to narrow down the cause of your hot chip between a defective chip or a heat management problem. If it is indeed a defective chip actually producing too much heat, you would be able to see above average wattage use. Alternatively, if it is a cooling problem, your wattage would be typical for your voltage, frequency, and load. If it's a cooling problem and it's throttling, your wattage may actually read lower than typical.
Yes, everything stock except memory using XMP. And I don't know about current draew, although I have a post in Ryzen Technical that may give us the answer.

Can somebody tell me what the symbols at the top of Ryzen master mean ?
PPTn 83%
TDC 79%
EDC 97%
PTC 95C

I have been having a problem with running hot, I now have a Noctura NH-D15 on it and checked the thermal paste. Its STOCK and running 92c @ 1.35 vcore (about)
And yes, the 2 fans are both spinning. This is troubling. Could my CPU be defective ? When running Rosetta it was 68c, under Asteroids@home its now 92c..

I did update my Taichi to 1.35a beta bios, hoping it was a reporting problem. And there is hot air coming from the fans on the Noctura. OPEN CASE.

The only difference is that now the 2 video cards are under 100% load (1050TI and 1060) but I put the case with the open side up, so the heat from those should not be an issue.

And the answer:
I may be wrong:
PPT - Package Power Tracking, how close to VRM limit the CPU package power draw is, 100% (maximum) should throttle.

TDC - Thermal Design Current, maximum current available in a load condition based on the thermal situation (sustained / avg VRM capacity when hot, 100% is maximum)

EDC - Electrical Design Current, maximum peak current the VRM can supply for short periods / transient conditions (100% is maximum)

PTC - If I'm not mistaken it will be package temperature, tCTL(?)
 
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Well, the only possibility that I can imagine (short of something just broken, of course) is that your open case isn't behaving enough like a wind tunnel. The air should be flowing through the case -- and it's possible that the open case is causing more recirculation and turbulance than pass-through.

After a period of uptime at load, are your SYSTIN and drive temps also high or are they nice and cool? If they are high as well, you probably have hot air turbulance in the case.

I have two 140mm fans in my case pulling air in through the front filter. I also have a pair of 120mm case fans, one pulling air in from the bottom and the other pushing air out behind the heatsink output(*). Yesterday, I added a low voltage adapter to the pair of 120's, causing them to drop from 1180rpm to 880rpm. My CPUTIN started climbing and quickly rose 12c before I shut it down to retool my fan curves. I turned the 140's up (a lot!) and fixed the problem.

The moral of that story is that a 2700x at full load, even undervolted, produces a huge amount of heat and needs *strong* airflow.

(*) I run positive pressure in my case and all vents without a fan are blocked to prevent recirculation -- except for the rear panel, where all the additional air exits.
 
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Markfw

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@Markfw
Well, the only possibility that I can imagine (short of something just broken, of course) is that your open case isn't behaving enough like a wind tunnel. The air should be flowing through the case -- and it's possible that the open case is causing more recirculation and turbulance than pass-through.

After a period of uptime at load, are your SYSTIN and drive temps also high or are they nice and cool? If they are high as well, you probably have hot air turbulance in the case.

I have two 140mm fans in my case pulling air in through the front filter. I also have a pair of 120mm case fans, one pulling air in from the bottom and the other pushing air out behind the heatsink output(*). Yesterday, I added a low voltage adapter to the pair of 120's, causing them to drop from 1180rpm to 880rpm. My CPUTIN started climbing and quickly rose 12c before I shut it down to retool my fan curves. I turned the 140's up (a lot!) and fixed the problem.

The moral of that story is that a 2700x at full load, even undervolted, produces a huge amount of heat and needs *strong* airflow.

(*) I run positive pressure in my case and all vents without a fan are blocked to prevent recirculation -- except for the rear panel, where all the additional air exits.
The case is on its side with a huge (20 inch) fan blowing in it. Its not ventilation. AVX causes it to be 3500 speed, without that I get to 3700, but in both cases its 95c and throttling.

Again with the best air cooler available (arguably, Noctura NH-D15) it still does 95c and throttles. ALL OF THIS IS AT STOCK. This is not acceptable, as I said my 1800x blows that away, never hits 70c. But only 3800-3900 or it locks up or reboots. Something is wrong with this chip.
 
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The case is on its side with a huge (20 inch) fan blowing in it. Its not ventilation. AVX causes it to be 3500 speed, without that I get to 3700, but in both cases its 95c and throttling.

Again with the best air cooler available (arguably, Noctura NH-D15) it still does 95c and throttles. ALL OF THIS IS AT STOCK. This is not acceptable, as I said my 1800x blows that away, never hits 70c. But only 3800-3900 or it locks up or reboots. Something is wrong with this chip.
I'd go with your RMA it idea. It's a long ways outside of what others are experiencing. Sounds like a loser in the silicon lottery.
 

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The case is on its side with a huge (20 inch) fan blowing in it. Its not ventilation. AVX causes it to be 3500 speed, without that I get to 3700, but in both cases its 95c and throttling.

Again with the best air cooler available (arguably, Noctura NH-D15) it still does 95c and throttles. ALL OF THIS IS AT STOCK. This is not acceptable, as I said my 1800x blows that away, never hits 70c. But only 3800-3900 or it locks up or reboots. Something is wrong with this chip.
Weird. Bad cpu's are rarer than hen's teeth.
 
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Shamrock

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My RAM won't post with the "fast" timings on the ram calculator. Oh well, 3200 and 66ns latency is good enough for me.
 

mikeymikec

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I've got my second Ryzen-G computer build on order, I'm just waiting to find out whether the A6-9500 I previously bought will pay off again by allowing me to do the necessary BIOS update so the board will handle the Ryzen 2400G I've ordered for it.

The board already had the minimum BIOS update on it. Goddammit. ~£40 more or less down the drain.
 
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