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mopardude87

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You sure?


Not really worth it. My DDR4-4400 isn't even a top kit on Ryzen systems. I can't hit DDR4-3800 CAS14 or anything elite like that.

I think the Max has issues going past 3,200 reliably. Would need to find a x570 that can run off a 8 pin cpu as my psu only has one. This board and some 3866 at least may be good? Not sure what this board does yet for ram, it should be plenty for a 3700x.

 

DrMrLordX

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I think the Max has issues going past 3,200 reliably.

I'd be surprised if that's true.

Would need to find a x570 that can run off a 8 pin cpu as my psu only has one.

Good luck. There might be some low-end boards that only take one 8-pin connector.

This board and some 3866 at least may be good? Not sure what this board does yet for ram, it should be plenty for a 3700x.

That must be relatively recent. I don't recall seeing it in Gigabyte's launch catalog last July. Either that or I wasn't paying attention. I would do some research on that before buying.
 
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mopardude87

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Good luck. There might be some low-end boards that only take one 8-pin connector.

The X570 Gigabyte UD does, should support even a 3900x without issue. It's this or the Max and i know the max even supports the 3900x without issue.


Or this one since i love the built in wifi of some of these motherboards.The better X570 with single 8 pin, its a good psu i got it's a Seasonic Focus 650w. Got it for a 1070ti i had that fried last year. Was plenty for a 4670 and it at the time. Was miles better then the cx450 junk pile i was using prior.

 
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I am just throwing this out there. The Samsumg B-Die stuff isn't super strong beyond 3600mhz. Hynix is very good when you get binned ram that goes beyond 4000mhz. I know people sing the praises of the E-die Micron sticks. But they suggest getting 3000mhz ram and rolling the dice. I think you are better off with higher binned ram starting and probably ending with 3600mhz sticks.
 

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I am just throwing this out there. The Samsumg B-Die stuff isn't super strong beyond 3600mhz. Hynix is very good when you get binned ram that goes beyond 4000mhz. I know people sing the praises of the E-die Micron sticks. But they suggest getting 3000mhz ram and rolling the dice. I think you are better off with higher binned ram starting and probably ending with 3600mhz sticks.

I don't think anyone's gotten Hynix running 1:1 IF and DDR4-4000? The top-bin RAM (mostly b-die) is good for DDR4-3800 or so, 14-14-14-28 or similar. Good luck figuring out exactly which sticks you need to get there. I went completely over-the-top with DDR4-4400 and my max was DDR4-3733 14-16-14-28 1T. There are people with DDR4-3000 Micron e-die within 95% of my performance. I don't think the higher-bin e-die sticks are all that much better. Feel free to ask around on reddit or something to get feedback from people who have dealt with the RAM. But for the price, DDR4-3000 e-die is amazing. 32GB for $144 is amazing, and it gives you a solid shot at high performance. The best Hynix ICs I've heard about thus far are Hynix CJR, which is what you find in a lot of those high-latency DDR4-3600 modules out there. It's decent but inferior to Micron e-die.
 
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Hans Gruber

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I don't think anyone's gotten Hynix running 1:1 IF and DDR4-4000? The top-bin RAM (mostly b-die) is good for DDR4-3800 or so, 14-14-14-28 or similar. Good luck figuring out exactly which sticks you need to get there. I went completely over-the-top with DDR4-4400 and my max was DDR4-3733 14-16-14-28 1T. There are people with DDR4-3000 Micron e-die within 95% of my performance. I don't think the higher-bin e-die sticks are all that much better. Feel free to ask around on reddit or something to get feedback from people who have dealt with the RAM. But for the price, DDR4-3000 e-die is amazing. 32GB for $144 is amazing, and it gives you a solid shot at high performance. The best Hynix ICs I've heard about thus far are Hynix CJR, which is what you find in a lot of those high-latency DDR4-3600 modules out there. It's decent but inferior to Micron e-die.
I am basically saying that if you get B-die get the binned 3600mhz sticks. I have heard good things about Micron E die but some have said they didn't get the timings they were after with the clocks they expected. Agreed with Hynix timings but they clock high with crap timings compared to B-die. When Zen 3 comes out. If they can do 1:1 with clocks 4000mhz+ it would be a different ballgame for Hynix.

I have Hynix 3600mhz binnned ram. I get CAS 16 which is what I was after. It runs 16-19-19 3800mhz. If it will do 4000mhz with a CAS 16. I would be a happy camper. There is no point until AMD gets the Infinity fabric issues ironed out in Zen 3. All this on an old B350 board. Which is why I have said bios is everything. It will run anything that is possible. Obviously the coffin corner is 3800mhz 1:1for Zen2. Most of the X570 boards will not run stable 3800mhz because of the infinity fabric.

I agree B-die is the end all be all gold standard. A total waste of money for your return on investment.
 
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DrMrLordX

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@Hans Gruber

If you have Hynix CJR that'll do DDR4-4000, great! But yeah it's academic on Zen2. Maybe Micron e-die is being overplayed . . . but the price is so nice! It's almost like the Celeron300a all over again, just in memory. Was hoping we'd see more Samsung M-die and A-die by now in consumer product.

Also yeah e-die timings at DDR4-3600+ aren't all that great. But it cost me like $280 to get my b-die that won't even do DDR4-3800, and I only got 16GB. For half that money, you can get e-die today that'll do maybe DDR4-3600 16-18-18-??? 1T. And 32GB no less.
 

Hans Gruber

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@Hans Gruber

If you have Hynix CJR that'll do DDR4-4000, great! But yeah it's academic on Zen2. Maybe Micron e-die is being overplayed . . . but the price is so nice! It's almost like the Celeron300a all over again, just in memory. Was hoping we'd see more Samsung M-die and A-die by now in consumer product.

Also yeah e-die timings at DDR4-3600+ aren't all that great. But it cost me like $280 to get my b-die that won't even do DDR4-3800, and I only got 16GB. For half that money, you can get e-die today that'll do maybe DDR4-3600 16-18-18-??? 1T. And 32GB no less.
That's why I suggest anybody getting any ram get 3600mhz and you would be golden. This includes the B-Die. The ram I have is supposed to be good to either 4400mhz or 4600mhz but with loose timings. 16GB for $70 of DDR4 3600mhz. I have done a lot of reading. It makes no sense that a B-die kit @ 3200mhz 14-14-14 craps out when you get up to 3600mhz.

Around the corner is DDR5. So don't spend too much money on DDR4 now.
 

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Decided when the stimulus gets here just to jump on this below. Aiming for a 5 year use case around on this setup. Slapping a NH-D15 Black on it too.

3900X, x570 Gigabyte Aorous Elite wifi, and 32gb of this 3600 ram down below unless anyone can find a better timed kit. Not finding any cl15 3600 kits i assume they don't exist? Kind of want rgb but would give it up for insanely timed ram. what i seen with ryzen lets not give the 3900x nor x570 a reason to pitch a fit. So picky it seems.

 
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DrMrLordX

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@mopardude don't get that kit. Odds are good it uses older pre-CJR Hynix ICs. Ask @Hans Gruber where to get some good Hynix CJR, or go for an e-die kit. Or at least get b-die (just be prepared to pay more for it).

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Alternatives, though they're not all b-die:


That Crucial RAM is Micron, for example. The cheaper kits are probably Hynix. Anything with timings like 16-19-19-39 is CJR (I'm guessing; might be something different). The 16-16-16-36 RAM is b-die.
 
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mopardude87

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@mopardude don't get that kit. Odds are good it uses older pre-CJR Hynix ICs. Ask @Hans Gruber where to get some good Hynix CJR, or go for an e-die kit. Or at least get b-die (just be prepared to pay more for it).

Yeah the memory list has sorta been helpful but like geezus christ there is so many ram kits, with intel over the years i got lazy just slapping Kingston Hyper x without having a single issue going right back to my Asus p4c800-e Deluxe. I know Ryzen is very particular and this my first serious amd build ever. Wanna do right, memory being the pain of course. Um yeah B-die past 3200 is insanely priced, $242 for a 32gb kit? Looks like all kits have worst timings compared to my original link? All the same with 16-19-19-39 at least on the appealing priced kits. Before they skyrocket to the moon.

Thanks btw for the help, yeah its a bit overwhelming, i had the 3200 kit arranged if i cheaped out on a 3700x with the B450.
 
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DrMrLordX

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The main thing with RAM is: unless you're gonna spend big on b-die, try to avoid the kits using older ICs. From 2017 and earlier, there's a lot of inferior Hynix and Micron DDR4 that doesn't clock very high. Summit Ridge really didn't like those kits either. Matisse isn't as picky, but you still have virtually no headroom over the XMP settings. Newer ICs give you a lot of flexibility, and they're cheaper than b-die.

For example, that DDR4-3200 CAS16 kit you linked would have struggled to hit its XMP settings on a Summit Ridge system. On a Matisse system (or even Pinnacle Ridge), it would probably get there due to improvements in the IMCs used. It wouldn't go any higher though. Usually.
 
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mopardude87

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The main thing with RAM is: unless you're gonna spend big on b-die, try to avoid the kits using older ICs. From 2017 and earlier, there's a lot of inferior Hynix and Micron DDR4 that doesn't clock very high. Summit Ridge really didn't like those kits either. Matisse isn't as picky, but you still have virtually no headroom over the XMP settings. Newer ICs give you a lot of flexibility, and they're cheaper than b-die.

For example, that DDR4-3200 CAS16 kit you linked would have struggled to hit its XMP settings on a Summit Ridge system. On a Matisse system (or even Pinnacle Ridge), it would probably get there due to improvements in the IMCs used. It wouldn't go any higher though. Usually.

Not big into overclocking, even my 7700k is a fail ocer or so picky any ocing not worth the headache so i honestly all i would care care is something that would be plug n play with xmp and that would be it. I think i have settled on this kit given its price compared to the rest. I usually value stability over ocing, if any room and a easy to do oc can be obtained i certainly will exploit it. Black NH-D15 gonna be so big its blocking ram slots prob, so no point in even rgb. Maybe it would block, need to see a picture again.

 
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mopardude87

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That's a better kit than the DDR4-3200 CAS16 one from earlier. Check DIMM height for clearance.

Yeah given i installed some trident z into a friends rig, that from google searches does clear. Just need to get a idea of how much the NH-D15 is blocking. Been a while since i saw a picture, i know its a beast of burden. I will prob Opt for the RGB if the thing doesn't block but won't lose sleep if i save a few bucks either. If i go RGB as i seen these in action and yeah they are looking amazing.

 

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That's a better kit than the DDR4-3200 CAS16 one from earlier. Check DIMM height for clearance.

Yeah not going rgb, every NH-D15 install i swear its covering close to 3 slots. The one i plan to install yup it will be 3 of the 4 slots easily if not all 4 given i will have the first fan right in front pulling in air from those big 200mm fans in the CM H500P Mesh. Second fan will be in middle pushing outwards to rear of case . Fine by me, i could put that $40 not going rgb into a NVME drive which i plan next then idk pocket the rest till Ampere? Good on this rig for a bit at least 5 years on the cpu side.

Thanks very much for taking the time to help out,i mean that!
 

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@Hans Gruber

If you have Hynix CJR that'll do DDR4-4000, great! But yeah it's academic on Zen2. Maybe Micron e-die is being overplayed . . . but the price is so nice! It's almost like the Celeron300a all over again, just in memory. Was hoping we'd see more Samsung M-die and A-die by now in consumer product.

Also yeah e-die timings at DDR4-3600+ aren't all that great. But it cost me like $280 to get my b-die that won't even do DDR4-3800, and I only got 16GB. For half that money, you can get e-die today that'll do maybe DDR4-3600 16-18-18-??? 1T. And 32GB no less.

$280 for what sticks that is expensive.

I think I paid $190 CAD for my G.skill Trident Z 16GB kit in December.

It makes no sense that a B-die kit @ 3200mhz 14-14-14 craps out when you get up to 3600mhz.

Around the corner is DDR5. So don't spend too much money on DDR4 now.

my 3200 kit does 3600 at 14-14-14 I just need to run 1.45v instead of stock voltage.

And DDR5 won't be around until probably late 2021 and will require a new board anyways so that is kinda a non factor at the moment.
 

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Anyone know if the stock nvme heatsink on the Gigabyte X570 motherboards can be removed so i could run my own? I want one of these and this and what else i got in the budget lines right up to nearly $1,200 . Been wanting a 1tb NVME for some time.

 

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just download the manual for the board it should say whether or not they are removable.
 

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Anyone know if the stock nvme heatsink on the Gigabyte X570 motherboards can be removed so i could run my own? I want one of these and this and what else i got in the budget lines right up to nearly $1,200 . Been wanting a 1tb NVME for some time.

Since you have to remove the heatsink to install the NVME, I can't see why just leaving the cover off is a problem.
 

mopardude87

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Since you have to remove the heatsink to install the NVME, I can't see why just leaving the cover off is a problem.

Wasn't even sure if it was removable or attached somehow. All i know is that the one on the board is nice but not needed. Don't know if there is anything in the way after removal that would make installation of a third party a issue?
 

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Since you have to remove the heatsink to install the NVME, I can't see why just leaving the cover off is a problem.
Remember when motherboards had no vanity covers? They are like engine covers on luxury cars, bling.
 

Markfw

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Wasn't even sure if it was removable or attached somehow. All i know is that the one on the board is nice but not needed. Don't know if there is anything in the way after removal that would make installation of a third party a issue?
To put in an NVME on my ASUS X570 (the 1tb version of the Corsair you linked to) I had to do exactly that, leave the on-board heatsink (crap quality) OFF after installing it.
 
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mopardude87

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To put in an NVME on my ASUS X570 (the 1tb version of the Corsair you linked to) I had to do exactly that, leave the on-board heatsink (crap quality) OFF after installing it.

Ty, i thought it wouldn't be much of a issue but certainly a question i thought worth asking.
 

Markfw

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Ty, i thought it wouldn't be much of a issue but certainly a question i thought worth asking.
Well, your is a gigabyte board, so theres always a chance it won't work. I am saying the odds are very high, you leave the motherboard cover off.

Edit: Here is the one I left off my ASUS (under side with thermal tape)


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