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mopardude87

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Well, your is a gigabyte board, so theres always a chance it won't work. I am saying the odds are very high, you leave the motherboard cover off.

I hope they thought that far ahead, most of the very good nvme drives that are pci 4.0 also have heatsinks. As they should.
 

mopardude87

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I edited my last post, go have a look.

I did, yeah even the gigabyte ones look so bad i guess with a wind tunnel of a case it may not be that bad of a thing? I could see a oem sealed case or something becoming quite a issue for a nvme even with those dinky little heatsinks.

Edit: thank you for all the time you put into answering my question!
 
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DrMrLordX

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Yeah not going rgb, every NH-D15 install i swear its covering close to 3 slots.

The newer NH-D15 fin alignment (introduced with the NH-D15S and copied on every release since then) is offset so you get more RAM clearance. You can also install the stock fans in the center and on the side away from the DIMMs to get additional clearance. Alternatively you can use an HSF like the Dark Rock Pro 4 that has less RAM clearance trouble (I think).

Also, if you try removing the stock heatsink on an NVMe drive, you may void the warranty. My 970 Evo didn't have a heatsink, so I used the (admittedly very nice) stock NVMe heatsink on my x570 Aorus Master. It's thick and heavy. Yours may not be the same since your board is further down the product stack. But I do not recommend removing the stock heatsink regardless. I ran a 480gig BPX NVMe drive "naked" for over two years and had no real issues with it, other than throttling some during long file transfers. It still works.

$280 for what sticks that is expensive.


I got a deal on em on eBay. Appeared to be unopened, so I don't think they were thrown out from someone binning privately (usually they bin the cheap stuff anyway for personal use). They've been a little disappointing since they won't do DDR4-3800 14-14-14-28 like some b-die out there.
 
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mopardude87

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The newer NH-D15 fin alignment (introduced with the NH-D15S and copied on every release since then) is offset so you get more RAM clearance. You can also install the stock fans in the center and on the side away from the DIMMs to get additional clearance. Alternatively you can use an HSF like the Dark Rock Pro 4 that has less RAM clearance trouble (I think).

Also, if you try removing the stock heatsink on an NVMe drive, you may void the warranty.

Was talking about the heatsink that comes with the Gigabyte X570 boards, i had hoped it wasn't fastened or something where it couldn't be moved. Markfw900 helped meout, i am sure it won't be a issue. With my modified H500P Mesh with front filters removed, rear honey comb cover removed at the 140 spot and stock 140mm replaced with a 110cfm i just want the best air cooling so yeah will stick to nh-d15 and just not deal with anything less.

Edit: Thanks for all the help you sent my way, i do value it
 
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mopardude87

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DrMrLordx, thanks again for that memory list off pcpartpicker it has been insanely helpful Yeah after some considering and the fact my phone recently broke and plan to get a new one and also hearing how insane ddr5 will be in 2021 i decided to save a few bucks to put towards phone and ride out on a 3700x+ stock cooler + 16gb of Trident z 3600 memory which is same kit more or less as i linked before but with rgb and less memory obviously.

Best part about the shopping cart,it keeps offering me $5 deal on 5 single use masks,yeah not even kidding i said YES put that in the cart too. Same mobo choice and the nvme its coming out to a nice $972. Good on stuff a entire month but those masks may be handy IF i have to go anywhere by chance or for next month!

Even added a CM cooler 140mm fan that plugs right into the harness for the case and well entire build will be rgb when i get a 3 pack of strips for my AE-5. Yeah i am loving how this H500P Mesh case looks and i want the entire damn build to just be rgb . Making me forget all the love i had for my Antec 900, this thing is just ART and i can't stop staring at it.
 
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Kedas

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Hi,

Just an update, My valve index arrived so I had to buy a GPU I can't wait another half year since everything in the world seems to be delayed .
I also replaced my broken glass with plastic some time ago.
Removing the glass glued on the metal brackets was too hard.
I just used two strong magnets with tape on it to keep it in place.

The Idle power usage seems to have dropped about 10W compared to before with the GF750Ti
'sleep mode' doesn't seem to work well anymore after I added the 2070S but I don't really care, I was surprised that it worked before without problems.

The only mod left to do when I figured out how, is to power the front case fans via the motherboard. (so I can slow them down, to be quiet)

In case you are wondering my 3950X is still running nice.
And yes it gets hot in the valve index, so hot I have to stop or I will get sick, not because of the VR.
If I put on my glasses later I will have to wait 5min. until the steam on my glasses is gone. (waiting until my glasses also get hot)
 

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Makaveli

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The newer NH-D15 fin alignment (introduced with the NH-D15S and copied on every release since then) is offset so you get more RAM clearance. You can also install the stock fans in the center and on the side away from the DIMMs to get additional clearance. Alternatively you can use an HSF like the Dark Rock Pro 4 that has less RAM clearance trouble (I think).

Also, if you try removing the stock heatsink on an NVMe drive, you may void the warranty. My 970 Evo didn't have a heatsink, so I used the (admittedly very nice) stock NVMe heatsink on my x570 Aorus Master. It's thick and heavy. Yours may not be the same since your board is further down the product stack. But I do not recommend removing the stock heatsink regardless. I ran a 480gig BPX NVMe drive "naked" for over two years and had no real issues with it, other than throttling some during long file transfers. It still works.




I got a deal on em on eBay. Appeared to be unopened, so I don't think they were thrown out from someone binning privately (usually they bin the cheap stuff anyway for personal use). They've been a little disappointing since they won't do DDR4-3800 14-14-14-28 like some b-die out there.

Hmm ya those sticks are way overpriced because they are DDR4400.

I wouldn't have even looked at those when I was doing my build.
 

DrMrLordX

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Hmm ya those sticks are way overpriced because they are DDR4400.

I wouldn't have even looked at those when I was doing my build.

I wanted sticks that would let me max out my IF while maintaining killer timings. It didn't quite work out. But they got close.
 
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mopardude87

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I wanted sticks that would let me max out my IF while maintaining killer timings. It didn't quite work out. But they got close.

What are you running right now? I assume its some sweet spot stuff? I was under the impression anything after 3600 wasn't all that worth it.
 

DrMrLordX

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Dang,i may have to try my luck with whatever sticks your using.

Don't. They're overpriced, and only have 16GB RAM. There are kits within 95% of mine that'll give you 32GB. Actually, if you pay what I paid, you can get Samsung A-die 32GB DIMMS for 64GB. It's hard to find, but you can get it.

edit: woops looks like the A-die is sold out. M-die is back though. Try searching for M378A4G43MB1-CTD if you want to see.
 
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mopardude87

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Don't. They're overpriced, and only have 16GB RAM. There are kits within 95% of mine that'll give you 32GB. Actually, if you pay what I paid, you can get Samsung A-die 32GB DIMMS for 64GB. It's hard to find, but you can get it.

Meh, sticking with the Trident z 3600 16gb kit i decided to opt for from a earlier post.
 

mopardude87

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Have decided to opt for a 3950x, would that be crazy given 4000 series is out at end of year? Shamefully would have to run stock cooler for a few weeks. I did dump the rgb ram but i do care much for function and with some cuts on things i could clearly get later in a few weeks like the MP600 and NH-D15. With that $1,200 stimulus oh yeah a 3950x is easily affordable with 32gb of Ripjaws V 3600mhz and a X570 Aourus Elite Wifi mobo. Sure in the hell would be set for even a bit longer. That and well i haven't truly had fun in this hobby in 8 years, what i want is clearly going into this thing in 2020/2021.

Anyone have good luck with 3950x with such a combo? Hows it turbo or run perhaps on the stock cooler?Yeah not cheaping out staying on stock, its getting the NH-D15 but yeah i just need a few weeks I was under impressions cause of boosting, the 3950x does some amazing things compared to 3900x in the power consumption department.
 
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Makaveli

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New AM4 Chipset drivers on 4-7-20

This one fixes the install bug of the last version. I was able to work around that previous driver issue with the fix which was to uninstall the old driver first.

This new driver doesn't seem to have many fixes in it so I may skip it.
 

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AMD Software Release Notes ver. 2.04.04.111

Package Contents and Compatible Operating Systems

This Software package contains various independent drivers (Column 1) designed to support the following Microsoft® Windows® platforms (Column 2). Operating System support may vary depending on your specific AMD product

Driver Name OS Supported Supported Version
AMD Ryzen Power Plan Windows 10 5.0.0.0
AMD PCI Device Driver Windows 10 1.0.0.76
Windows 7 1.0.0.67
AMD I2C Driver Windows 10 1.2.0.99
AMD UART Driver Windows 10 1.2.0.106
AMD GPIO2 Driver Windows 10 2.2.0.126
PT GPIO Driver Windows 10 2.0.1.0
AMD PSP Driver Windows 10 4.11.0.0
Windows 7 4.10.0.1
AMD IOV Driver Windows 10 1.2.0.47
Windows 7 1.2.0.43
AMD SMBUS Driver Windows 10 5.12.0.38
Windows 7 5.12.0.38
AMD AS4 ACPI Driver Windows 10 1.2.0.46
AMD SFH I2C Driver Windows 10 1.0.0.86
AMD USB Filter Driver Windows 10 2.1.11.304
Windows 7 2.0.10.287
AMD SFH Driver Windows 10 1.0.0.300
AMD CIR Driver Windows 10 3.2.4.135
Windows 7 3.2.4.110
AMD MicroPEP Driver Windows 10 1.0.25.0
AMD USB 3.0 Driver for ZP Windows 7 2.0.0.60
PT USB 3.1 Driver Windows 7 1.0.5.3
AMD USB Driver for Hudson Windows 7 1.1.0.276
AMD SATA Driver Windows 7 1.2.1.402
AMD USB 3.1 Driver Windows 7 1.0.0.12

My gamer benchmark has just a light loss of points.
 

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Can confirm that the installer runs fine, though I haven't rebooted yet to check stability.
 

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The stock cooler units do not cover the Ryzen 7 chip.
The chip is square - the base is round - leaving the corners of chip without heatsink.

At the time --- I even polished the stock cooler -- only to find machining gouges in the surface of stock cooler.

If you were wondering about what fan is under there ... here is a photo.

2 stock cooler units now - unused.
Took one apart to locate the RGB stuff and thinking about using the RGB for bling.

Marginal OC with the stock unit - with temps too high for me.
 

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mopardude87

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Marginal. Faggetabout the stock cooler except to get the system running.

Took some consideration but going back to the 3900x option. Its getting a day one black NH-D15 install as well. I wanna work the chip almost immediately once its up, I think 90 cel temps are a bit much. At least those are numbers i saw in a few reviews.

Not sure where the 3900x is sitting with out of the box temps with a NH-D15, all i know the NH is the best air option and i got no issues spending the coin for one. Not gonna oc, perhaps PBO options will be enabled? PBO i think boosts the clocks past stock at cost of higher temps/wattage?
 

DrMrLordX

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Not gonna oc, perhaps PBO options will be enabled?

PBO is a huge pita. I can't get any extra performance out of it except in strictly ST workloads (certain benches). Maybe it would be good for Starcraft 2. Otherwise it's terrible. Granted, I don't have the latest AGESA version (don't really need/want it), but I doubt it would do anything to improve my PBO performance.
 
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Took some consideration but going back to the 3900x option. Its getting a day one black NH-D15 install as well. I wanna work the chip almost immediately once its up, I think 90 cel temps are a bit much. At least those are numbers i saw in a few reviews.

Not sure where the 3900x is sitting with out of the box temps with a NH-D15, all i know the NH is the best air option and i got no issues spending the coin for one. Not gonna oc, perhaps PBO options will be enabled? PBO i think boosts the clocks past stock at cost of higher temps/wattage?
Maybe AMD should include 240mm or 280mm AIO's on Zen 3 CPU's. Those Noctua's are like aircraft carriers.
 
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mopardude87

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PBO is a huge pita. I can't get any extra performance out of it except in strictly ST workloads (certain benches). Maybe it would be good for Starcraft 2. Otherwise it's terrible. Granted, I don't have the latest AGESA version (don't really need/want it), but I doubt it would do anything to improve my PBO performance.

Thanks for the heads up, not much into overclocking as i value stability over raw speed. Last chip i oced was a Q6600 to 3ghz. Did that both on a non oem and with a tape mod on a Dell Oem tower.

Maybe i could tweak something that MAY allow more juice for higher boost or is that 145w thermal limit all we get?
 
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