AMD Ryzen 3000 Builders Thread

[DrMrLordX]

@Monk5127

What settled you on the C8H? Aorus Master will cost less and have a better VRM config. It'll have a crappier UEFI though.

@phillyman36

That makes no sense. Why would they be the only ones to get pre-orders?!? That makes no financial sense for AMD unless jd.com is just breaking an embargo, consequences be damned.

 

[phillyman36]

@DrMrLordX thought the same thing which is why im still checking all sites. My phone going to get a lot of usage today.

 

[Monk5127]

@Monk5127

What settled you on the C8H? Aorus Master will cost less and have a better VRM config. It'll have a crappier UEFI though.

I had been leaning towards the Strix but saw that i would never use the DP or HDMI whereas i would get use from the extra USB of the C8H. I also have concerns about RAM, I have 2x16gb b-die to use and have heard ASUS is less headache in that regard. I have a NH-D15 for cooling so wont be going mad with OC so VRM isn't a massive concern. As for Gigabyte and their UEFI, my current board is a Z87x-UD4H and have had enough Gigabyte UEFI to last a lifetime. Plus I want to treat myself.

 

[DrMrLordX]

@Monk5127

Not sure RAM OC will be any better on the C8H but we will see. I wrote off Asus when I saw how much better Gigabyte's VRM config is this time around. Shoe is on the other foot and all that. Gigabyte's X470 lineup didn't have anything as good as the C7H VRMs.

I was looking at MSI, but those prices . . . woof.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Interesting bit here:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tLCD4D

pcpartpicker looks ready for the chip. No data points are rolling in yet, though.

 

[Kocicak]

How come this thread is 13 pages long when nobody can build anything because the processors are not available yet???

 

[DrMrLordX]

How come this thread is 13 pages long when nobody can build anything bacause the processors are not available yet???

Hopes and dreams.

 

[B-Riz]

If you watch this link at the pinned time, *everyone* fretting over motherboard reqs need not worry.

To summarize Robert, the THERMAL AND ELECTRICAL DESIGN OF THE AM4 SOCKET (5 YEARS AGO) USED ON B350 B450 X370 X470 ALLOWS FOR BETTER PERFORMANCE WITH ZEN2 COMPARED TO ZEN AND ZEN+ BECAUSE IT IS 7NM / LOWER POWER USAGE FOR HIGHER PERFORMANCE.

 

[B-Riz]

EDIT: Video is pinned at memory discussion time.

BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK MEMORY - DDR4 3600 CL15 or CL16.

B450 and X470 WILL OFFER A GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH ZEN2.

X570 FOR BEST OVERCLOCKING. (Memory specifically mentioned)

MEMORY OVERCLOCKING IS DEPENDENT ON MEMORY CONTROLLER FIRMWARE AND HARDWARE ON THE NEW CHIPS.

3200 CL14 AND 3600 CL15 WILL BE VERY SIMILAR FOR GAMING PERF.

 

[Seba]

3200 CL14 AND 3500 CL15 WILL BE VERY SIMILAR FOR GAMING PERF.

3200 CL14 and 3600 CL15

 

[DrMrLordX]

@B-Riz

That's a lot of caps there. And I think that's an oversimplification.

 

[Seba]

He just made a summary of what was said at those time codes in the video.

 

[DrMrLordX]

He just made a summary of what was said at those time codes in the video.

Yup.

edit: here's what I mean by "oversimplified". Personally I think these current ratings are probably not accurate, but if they are, then we're in for easy street overclocking Matisse.

https://i.redd.it/jns90zhx3o731.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c7qj5e/am4_vcore_vrm_ratings_to_help_you_decide_on_a/?st=jxkdkq8e&sh=1ea7f746

(sorry running that post as a media file is just too spammy)

Note that it's a BIG .png file, so I didn't want to spam up my post with it. Open in a separate window and zoom in.

It remains to be seen whether his projections about current draw will be accurate. I could see a 4.7 GHz 3800x pulling 140a. And he basically admits those are just estimates.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just received a microcenter daily email.......
No pre order mention, nothing about Ryzen

Early but I’m starting to suspect inventory will be limited.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Still no pre-orders up. I guess today is just the unboxing embargo lift day.

Boo! Gonna be a long 6 days . . .

 

[Markfw]

Still no pre-orders up. I guess today is just the unboxing embargo lift day.

Boo! Gonna be a long 6 days . . .

Pcpartpicker at least shows the 3900x as a Ryzen 9, instead of a 7, and you can select it, just no prices

 

[DrMrLordX]

Pcpartpicker at least shows the 3900x as a Ryzen 9, instead of a 7, and you can select it, just no prices

Indeed. They're ready for when stores do list it. Whenever that will be.

Oh! Big news:

https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-...3700x-3800x-ryzen-9-3900x-5.html#post28019308

@Terzo you will want to look at that. PBO is enabled on all Matisse chips (apparently). I'm still skeptical about proper OEM support for Matisse on older boards at launch, but eventually, every board SHOULD support PBO for Matisse. Even the R5 3600.

 

[B-Riz]

3200 CL14 and 3600 CL15

Fixed, thx

 

[B-Riz]

@B-Riz

That's a lot of caps there. And I think that's an oversimplification.

Did you watch the video?

Pretty sure AMD first hand info, even some marketing / hype building such as this video is legit.

EVERYONE is in disbelief about products that were planned 3-5 years out.

They know what they are doing, this is not rocket science.

My second post is about MEMORY and MEMORY OC.

I personally don't think MAX CPU OC is that big of a deal with Zen2, as they have tuned the things a lot; 1ms frequency switching feature with Win 10 1903 (which will also work on B350 B450 X370 and X470), etc.

The video has a lot of good info in it, WORTH THE TIME TO WATCH.

 

[jackstar7]

All of the talk about pre-orders has me antsy to get a proc on pre-order and then check MB reviews before pulling that trigger. Also, I have to assume AMD has assured the chain of ample stock on these given the AIBs having such massive line-ups of MBs. I think you would not commit so hard to all that diversity in the line-up without knowing that the parts are going to be out there for the consumers.

Let's go!

 

[Terzo]

Indeed. They're ready for when stores do list it. Whenever that will be.

Oh! Big news:

https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-...3700x-3800x-ryzen-9-3900x-5.html#post28019308

@Terzo you will want to look at that. PBO is enabled on all Matisse chips (apparently). I'm still skeptical about proper OEM support for Matisse on older boards at launch, but eventually, every board SHOULD support PBO for Matisse. Even the R5 3600.

It seems like asrock provides better support than asus which is surprising. At least that’s what i’m seeing so far. And that’s good news for pbo. I wouldn’t think it would be restricted by chip, which sounds like something on amd’s end rather than mobo manufacturers.

 

[Markfw]

Doesn't anybody have any leaks on when pre-orders start ??????

Edit: A google search found this: here: https://www.techpowerup.com/256967/psa-no-ryzen-3000-pre-orders-today-1st-july-spare-your-f5-key

PSA: No Ryzen 3000 Pre-orders Today (1st July), Spare Your F5 Key

by btarunr Today, 07:15 Discuss (38 Comments)

AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen desktop processors were rumored to open to pre-orders today, so you could have your swanky new CPU upgrade in place by 7/7. It turns out, that's not the case. AMD in a statement to TechPowerUp, confirmed that there won't be any pre-orders opened by retailers today (1st July), and there is no information of any such pre-orders date. Customers will likely have to wait until the 7th to pick their PIB form their friendly neighbourhood PC hardware store, or order one online. The statement from AMD in German language translates as follows:

We haven't announced any pre-order plans - global launch is on 7/7.​

AMD is launching five new processor SKUs this July, including the 12-core/24-thread Ryzen 9 3900X, the 8-core/16-thread Ryzen 7 3800X and 3700X, and the 6-core/12-thread Ryzen 5 3600X and 3600. Prices over previous-generation products remain flat wherever applicable. The 3700X is being launched at the same $329.99 MSRP as the 2700X, the 3600X at a slightly higher $249.99 compared to the $239.99 the 2600X launched at; and the 3600 aims to be the sub-$200 king at the same $199.99 price as the 2600. The 3800X is being launched as a premium 8-core option at $399.99, and the 3900X can be yours for $499.99. We expect most online retailers to mark these prices up by 5-10 percent as they normally do.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Did you watch the video?

Yes. Too much discussion of socket electrical standards and too little discussion of current draw. Just because the socket can pull 300W doesn't mean the rest of the board can do so. Anyone trying to use PBO will notice it. For example, on a 4+2 phase board, a 3950X + PBO will probably struggle to go faster than 3.7 GHz all-core turbo (I predict current draw of 120-140a here, reaching the real-world functional limits of such boards with 40a phases @ 25C). The same 3950X (also using PBO) can probably sustain all-core boost up to 4.3-4.5 GHz on a board with substantially better VRMs (basically any 12-phase board, and maybe some 10 and 8-phase boards). Meanwhile, those shooting for something like 4.7 GHz static all-core on a 3950X may be looking at a current draw of 250-280a.

Personally I predict that when I try running a 3900x @ 4.7 GHz all-core static, it'll pull 210a or more. It's gonna get a little ugly. Not as bad as a 3950X but still.

 

[B-Riz]

Yes. Too much discussion of socket electrical standards and too little discussion of current draw. Just because the socket can pull 300W doesn't mean the rest of the board can do so. Anyone trying to use PBO will notice it. For example, on a 4+2 phase board, a 3950X + PBO will probably struggle to go faster than 3.7 GHz all-core turbo (I predict current draw of 120-140a here, reaching the real-world functional limits of such boards with 40a phases @ 25C). The same 3950X (also using PBO) can probably sustain all-core boost up to 4.3-4.5 GHz on a board with substantially better VRMs (basically any 12-phase board, and maybe some 10 and 8-phase boards). Meanwhile, those shooting for something like 4.7 GHz static all-core on a 3950X may be looking at a current draw of 250-280a.

Personally I predict that when I try running a 3900x @ 4.7 GHz all-core static, it'll pull 210a or more. It's gonna get a little ugly. Not as bad as a 3950X but still.

Honestly, this feels like splitting hairs. I hope no one is going to run a 3900X or 3950X on the cheapest of cheap boards and think everything will be ok.

And again, I think max static OC will kill efficiency of the chip and may not have big gains compared to just letting the auto functions work as intended.

OC is not the same as back in the 300A days...

 

[DrMrLordX]

And again, I think max static OC will kill efficiency of the chip and may not have big gains compared to just letting the auto functions work as intended.

Why do you think I brought up PBO? That is one of the "auto functions". Also, there are people out there saying that 4+2 and 6+2 boards will be "just fine" for everything. In the case of 4+2 boards I would not trust them with anything over 120a at full load. There's a very real chance of the 3950x having a 180a or higher limit with PBO removed. Pick the wrong board, and you will lose clocks even when utilizing PBO.