AMD Ryzen 3000 Builders Thread

[B-Riz]

So as it stands i taking part from my i7 8700k build. Final specs (unless i change my mind lol)

Corsair 780t
EVGA 850 psu
970 pro 1tb (os)
960 pro 500GB secondary drive
Gskill 16GB 3200 (2 sticks)
Noctua u14s (already have Amd mount hardware) Not gonna lie thought about getting the Corsair or EVGA clc cooler lol
EGVA 1080ti

I usually wake up around 3am EST so i hope i dont wake up and find stores have put them up and sold out.

Amazon had the Corsair MP600 up and i could have same day delivery but decided wasnt worth it.
Back of my mind i want to get the Corsair 680x(black) but sticking with the 780t

Honestly, I think stock levels are fine.

They have been mfg for 6 months if my guesstimate is close to maybe right.

Zen1 was definitely a mediocre launch.

Think back to how Intel usually had good stock levels at launches, Sandy Bridge days? maybe?

I think that is what they aimed for, as, this is a bigger deal than Zen1 launch.

 

[DrMrLordX]

But according to you, *my what ever non 14 phase 6+ layer $500 board I'M NOT BUYING* is going to go up in smoke as soon as I press the power button for the first time.

Stop being silly. I never said that. You may lose clocks if you don't bring the cooling, that's all. I already told you the phase count was good enough. If you'd calm down and read what I actually said, you'd see that the only thing potentially wrong with your motherboard is that it's a 4-layer design, so . . . like I already said, restricted memOC potential and possible loss of bandwidth for PCIe 4.0 devices (this remains to be seen).

Plus nobody needs to spend $500 when buying a board for Matisse. X370 and X470 will do, C8H will be $380, Aorus Master will be $320-$340 . . . need I go on? Understandably, neither the C8H nor Aorus Master fit in a $250-$300 budget. MSI Gaming Pro Carbon at ~$270 does.

You really need to calm down and start thinking about things instead of just getting angry. The hyperbole is already getting to be a bit much.

As far as the stock cooler goes, see the post from @coercitiv and think about what it means:

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/amd-ryzen-3000-builders-thread.2565687/post-39863176

Anyone building on day one has got to put on their thinking caps. Matisse is not Pinnacle Ridge.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I *may* use a bracket to mod the stock HSF first.

Again, I *may* use a Mugen 5, but, I have to buy a new cooler if I do that. My two Mugen 5's are from the 1366 days, mounting brackets have changed.

Again, I am not paying Noctua money for a cooler, I have a Corsair H115i if I want to use that.

$30 - $50 for a downdraft style, the Scythe Grand Kama Cross Rev 3 B seems to fit what I want to buy if I decide to change HSF, but it may not work on AM4.

http://www.scythe-eu.com/en/products/cpu-cooler/Grand-Kama-Cross-3.html <-- mounting details

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-0004-00076

So, I may try the darkFlash Talon

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-00AA-00008

There is also Scythe Choten

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-0004-00082

And Scythe Big Shuriken 3

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-0004-00083

But according to you, *my what ever non 14 phase 6+ layer $500 board I'M NOT BUYING* is going to go up in smoke as soon as I press the power button for the first time.

Like seriously, AMD and board mfgs did not throw all this stuff together in a long weekend.

This has been years of planning and testing! I don't get it, I am not Buildzoid, I am not that worried about all the things people are picking apart the X570 boards for because apparently, new tech from AMD that actually costs $$$ is something horrible and a conspiracy money grab. This is a new specs / tech that I have no problem paying for at launch and playing with right away.

COOLING THE 3900X WITH THE INCLUDED COOLER AT DEFAULT SETTINGS IS NOT GOING TO "HOLD ANYTHING BACK!" like srsly wtf STOP WITH THE FUD

I sort of agree there are simply too many people whining about caps and power phases that never complained before the buildzoid dude started to post videos.
I feel the same thing about micro stutter & coil whine. Nobody had a problem until it was cool to have a problem.
However I believe his point is about over clocking or maximizing that boost overdrive thing, which are valid points. Just not that relevant to me since I’ve had the ability to OC May machine for a decade and I only sort of messed with it one afternoon.
Personally I don’t think the cheaper board won’t make that much of a difference other that what percent overclock you can do.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I *may* use a bracket to mod the stock HSF first.

Again, I *may* use a Mugen 5, but, I have to buy a new cooler if I do that. My two Mugen 5's are from the 1366 days, mounting brackets have changed.

Again, I am not paying Noctua money for a cooler, I have a Corsair H115i if I want to use that.

$30 - $50 for a downdraft style, the Scythe Grand Kama Cross Rev 3 B seems to fit what I want to buy if I decide to change HSF, but it may not work on AM4.

http://www.scythe-eu.com/en/products/cpu-cooler/Grand-Kama-Cross-3.html <-- mounting details

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-0004-00076

So, I may try the darkFlash Talon

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-00AA-00008

There is also Scythe Choten

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-0004-00082

And Scythe Big Shuriken 3

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-0004-00083

But according to you, *my what ever non 14 phase 6+ layer $500 board I'M NOT BUYING* is going to go up in smoke as soon as I press the power button for the first time.

Like seriously, AMD and board mfgs did not throw all this stuff together in a long weekend.

This has been years of planning and testing! I don't get it, I am not Buildzoid, I am not that worried about all the things people are picking apart the X570 boards for because apparently, new tech from AMD that actually costs $$$ is something horrible and a conspiracy money grab. This is a new specs / tech that I have no problem paying for at launch and playing with right away.

COOLING THE 3900X WITH THE INCLUDED COOLER AT DEFAULT SETTINGS IS NOT GOING TO "HOLD ANYTHING BACK!" like srsly wtf STOP WITH THE FUD

Also try the dark rock slim and let me know how it works

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-001F-00030

 

[B-Riz]

Stop being silly. I never said that. You may lose clocks if you don't bring the cooling, that's all. I already told you the phase count was good enough. If you'd calm down and read what I actually said, you'd see that the only thing potentially wrong with your motherboard is that it's a 4-layer design, so . . . like I already said, restricted memOC potential and possible loss of bandwidth for PCIe 4.0 devices (this remains to be seen).

Plus nobody needs to spend $500 when buying a board for Matisse. X370 and X470 will do, C8H will be $380, Aorus Master will be $320-$340 . . . need I go on? Understandably, neither the C8H nor Aorus Master fit in a $250-$300 budget. MSI Gaming Pro Carbon at ~$270 does.

You really need to calm down and start thinking about things instead of just getting angry. The hyperbole is already getting to be a bit much.

As far as the stock cooler goes, see the post from @coercitiv and think about what it means:

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/amd-ryzen-3000-builders-thread.2565687/post-39863176

Anyone building on day one has got to put on their thinking caps. Matisse is not Pinnacle Ridge.

FFS, I HAVE TO SEE HOW IT RUNS BEFORE I DECIDE ON A COOLING UPGRADE

You are acting very dense and dismissing what I have written in all my other posts.

I can guarantee I will not lose the clocks they advertise me to get with the stock cooler, that is the whole point of putting it on the box and all the Robert H. posts and media events since Computex / E3.

RAM is going to be run 3200 to 3466, I'm sure the board can handle that.

2 RAM sticks and one PICE4 NVME drive is not going to have issues.

And you know what? If it really sucks, I will let you know when I am going to return it and try something else.

I am not going crazy with this build, I plan to get a TR3 chip later and 64GB DDR4 3200+ that goes in an X399 Taichi.

my hyperbole is because you do not acknowledge my reasons for what I am building and why

 

[B-Riz]

Also try the dark rock slim and let me know how it works

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-001F-00030

I would consider, but I really want to go down draft this time if I upgrade from stock.

 

[daperl]

Last time I went smaller than full ATX was an old Abit board (NF m2 nView) that wound up being a killer OC platform.

I still run this board from time to time. It might be the last board to have both optical audio in and out.

 

[DrMrLordX]

FFS, I HAVE TO SEE HOW IT RUNS BEFORE I DECIDE ON A COOLING UPGRADE

Seems like I suggested that above (instead of just buying a Mugen V). Naturally you can't use the Mugen HSFs you have already (without buying an adapter). But you can use the stock, unmodified. Buying yet another Mugen V might not be in your best interest either, which is what I was trying to point out. I wasn't telling you that your motherboard was going to blow up. I am telling you that even the 3700x may throttle to stay within it's TDP rating, or not if it has a bigger cooler on it. AMD is playing fast and loose with TDP ratings this gen, or so it appears. Just like Intel has been doing for awhile.

Let me be clear: none of these boards are going to damage themselves, and it's highly unlikely that they'll damage CPUs running "stock". All they do when the VRMs and/or CPU overheat is throttle. That's it.

my hyperbole is because you do not acknowledge my reasons for what I am building and why

Yes I do. You don't want to pay more than $300 for a board, and I've already acknowledged that, which is why the Ace is a bad buy. You like the layout of the Carbon, so I suggested the Ace . . . until I saw the horrid price. Sort of leaves you in a pickle.

What I'm trying to tell you is, get a 6-layer board if you can, or be prepared to make some compromises if you can't.

I still run this board from time to time. It might be the last board to have both optical audio in and out.

It was a hell of a board for its time. I remember running stupid-high HTT speeds on it. Pity Abit isn't making boards anymore. I even miss Chaintech . . . a little.

Personally I don’t think the cheaper board won’t make that much of a difference other that what percent overclock you can do.

It isn't even about overclocking. It's about stock operation. Look at the 9900k: it's a 95W TDP CPU, right? Put a rinky-dink Intel cooler rated for a 95W CPU and sure enough, the 9900k will heat up and throttle back, pulling probably 95W in the process (+/- some trivial %). Put a bigger cooler on it and it will run right up there to 160W or more. Stock. Many people (including myself) made a big deal about it when the 9900k launched. I'd be remiss if I actually thought AMD should get away with something similar on Matisse. Personally I do not mind that stock configurations can do that. I think it'll be fun watching how far my 3900x can go on a 140a current limit out-of-the-box. But it's going to shock a lot of Day 1 builders who do not have a chance to read reviews before buying. It may take reviewers awhile to sort out everything too. AnandTech had to review the 9900k twice (essentially).

Anyone who does not particularly like that behavior can just disable CPB in the UEFI. Or they can modify P-states but that's complicated, and nowhere near stock.

edit: I must add that a Brasilian site has posted an early R5 3600 review. Credit goes to @DiogoDX :

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/speculation-ryzen-3000-series.2558009/post-39863728

Here the R5 3600 is staying within its thermal envelope. Temps are spiky. I'm not sure what are the implications of that. That's in contrast to the German 3700x review that showed it drawing more power than a stock 2700x. The plot thickens. To me this makes building a Matisse system more interesting, but for others, it's probably frustrating.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Separate post for news that may affect the MSI buyers out there: B&H Photo is taking orders on x570:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=X570&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

$369 for MEG ACE. Not nearly as bad as the price leaks from the UK showed it to be. Godlike costs too much though, yech.

edit: Best Buy is getting in on the act too with 3 MSI boards and one Asus as of the time of this posting:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/search...rue&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys

 

[B-Riz]

Seems like I suggested that above (instead of just buying a Mugen V). Naturally you can't use the Mugen HSFs you have already (without buying an adapter). But you can use the stock, unmodified. Buying yet another Mugen V might not be in your best interest either, which is what I was trying to point out. I wasn't telling you that your motherboard was going to blow up. I am telling you that even the 3700x may throttle to stay within it's TDP rating, or not if it has a bigger cooler on it. AMD is playing fast and loose with TDP ratings this gen, or so it appears. Just like Intel has been doing for awhile.

Let me be clear: none of these boards are going to damage themselves, and it's highly unlikely that they'll damage CPUs running "stock". All they do when the VRMs and/or CPU overheat is throttle. That's it.



Yes I do. You don't want to pay more than $300 for a board, and I've already acknowledged that, which is why the Ace is a bad buy. You like the layout of the Carbon, so I suggested the Ace . . . until I saw the horrid price. Sort of leaves you in a pickle.

What I'm trying to tell you is, get a 6-layer board if you can, or be prepared to make some compromises if you can't.



It was a hell of a board for its time. I remember running stupid-high HTT speeds on it. Pity Abit isn't making boards anymore. I even miss Chaintech . . . a little.



It isn't even about overclocking. It's about stock operation. Look at the 9900k: it's a 95W TDP CPU, right? Put a rinky-dink Intel cooler rated for a 95W CPU and sure enough, the 9900k will heat up and throttle back, pulling probably 95W in the process (+/- some trivial %). Put a bigger cooler on it and it will run right up there to 160W or more. Stock. Many people (including myself) made a big deal about it when the 9900k launched. I'd be remiss if I actually thought AMD should get away with something similar on Matisse. Personally I do not mind that stock configurations can do that. I think it'll be fun watching how far my 3900x can go on a 140a current limit out-of-the-box. But it's going to shock a lot of Day 1 builders who do not have a chance to read reviews before buying. It may take reviewers awhile to sort out everything too. AnandTech had to review the 9900k twice (essentially).

Anyone who does not particularly like that behavior can just disable CPB in the UEFI. Or they can modify P-states but that's complicated, and nowhere near stock.

edit: I must add that a Brasilian site has posted an early R5 3600 review. Credit goes to @DiogoDX :

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/speculation-ryzen-3000-series.2558009/post-39863728

Here the R5 3600 is staying within its thermal envelope. Temps are spiky. I'm not sure what are the implications of that. That's in contrast to the German 3700x review that showed it drawing more power than a stock 2700x. The plot thickens. To me this makes building a Matisse system more interesting, but for others, it's probably frustrating.

I said I *may* get a Mugen 5 as I like the performance for the money, did not say I would at the moment.

Nope, this whole Zen2 throttling is FUD, STOP IT; you are projecting the 9900K woes to AMD, but I have never had a problem with the 2700X or 1700

JUST BLOODY STOP WITH THE FUD

I'M NOT IN A PICKLE BRUH

AGAIN, I DON'T WANT A HIGH END AM4 BOARD, I COULD GET ONE IF I WANTED TO, I HAVE X399 FOR TR3 LATER

Seriously, I feel like you are just trolling at this point, or are very dense.

 

[Shmee]

Ok guys, take a step back and relax a bit. There is no need to shout and argue with each other.

 

[phillyman36]

Ok so Ordered the Ryzen 3900x and the ROG Crosshair VIII Wifi from Newegg. Luckily i ordered one before the sold out. Still looking at Amazon and Microcenter. If i can get one today from Microcenter or Amazon has the option for same day delivery ill will do that and cancel the newegg order.

 

[DrMrLordX]

JUST BLOODY STOP WITH THE FUD




Seriously, I feel like you are just trolling at this point, or are very dense.

At moderator's request I'm done, but no, I'm neither trolling nor dense. There never was any fud. You'll find out, soon enough. Good luck with your build.

@phillyman36

Funny that stock came online so soon? Sad that I missed it.

edit: also, Aorus Xtreme is $699 rather than $599. Stupid. Guess they raised their prices when they saw everyone else was going for $699. Oh well, Master it is!

 

[phillyman36]

@DrMrLordX yeah i posted they were up. Maybe should have put in caps. I was actually going to pm you but when i ordered you werent online. Heck maybe they will add more stock as the day goes on.
Im still looking at Amazon so if i see them i will post again.

 

[DrMrLordX]

@phillyman36

I was just too slow. It's okay, not your fault. But if I want one for $620, the eBay guy that was advertising chips days ago has jacked up his prices. Lovely fellow.

 

[phillyman36]

I just cant pay and extra 200 bucks for something i can wait longer for lol but hey if someone buys it then he is the smart one lol.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I paid an extra $100 for one of the first x370 Taichi boards in the US (gotten from eBay) after Amazon screwed up my pre-order of a C6H. I was livid, but I survived. This time around I've got a board but no CPU. Fortunately, supplies of the 3900x shouldn't be anywhere near as bad as those x370 boards.

 

[phillyman36]

Also Newegg bundle deals with some of the cpus (limited offer)
$40 off 3900x
$50 off 3700x
$30 Off 3600x

 

[Adul]

Damn it 3900x sold out already.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

 

[chrisjames61]

I said I *may* get a Mugen 5 as I like the performance for the money, did not say I would at the moment.

Nope, this whole Zen2 throttling is FUD, STOP IT; you are projecting the 9900K woes to AMD, but I have never had a problem with the 2700X or 1700

JUST BLOODY STOP WITH THE FUD

I'M NOT IN A PICKLE BRUH

AGAIN, I DON'T WANT A HIGH END AM4 BOARD, I COULD GET ONE IF I WANTED TO, I HAVE X399 FOR TR3 LATER

Seriously, I feel like you are just trolling at this point, or are very dense.

Your posting style is similar to a twelve year olds tbh.

 

[chrisjames61]

Also Newegg bundle deals with some of the cpus (limited offer)
$40 off 3900x
$50 off 3700x
$30 Off 3600x

I just check the Newegg site and it only has the older cpu's? 6:15 am Sunday the 7th.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Your posting style is similar to a twelve year olds tbh.

Just let it go, mods don't want us fanning the flames here.

 

[phillyman36]

I just check the Newegg site and it only has the older cpu's? 6:15 am Sunday the 7th.

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-3700x/p/N82E16819113567?Item=N82E16819113567
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-3600x/p/N82E16819113568?Item=N82E16819113568
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/p/N82E16819113103?Item=N82E16819113103

 

[B-Riz]

Your posting style is similar to a twelve year olds tbh.

O rly? I was hoping for at least a 13 year olds posting style.

 

[DrMrLordX]

For all of you have access to Mindfactory:

https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Prozessoren+(CPU)/AMD+Desktop.html/listing_sort/2

go go go