I am willing to try it, not sure when though, what version of ESXi?
Guys are there any success stories from anyone that installed successfully esxi on any 470 or 570 board with a 3xxx Ryzen?
I search the whole Internet but i don't see anything concrete and i really need to upgrade my homelab
Thx
Chris
Get to work slacker
Sounds like it's going to take some time for the mb manufacturers to grt their BIOSs tweaked for this new series of Ryzens.
The good news is they will. Such a big launch.
I think we're seeing exactly why AMD said no way to PCIe 4.0 support on anything but 500 series boards. Wow, this is not a good look. AMD did the chipset on the 570, right? Did they do that for any of the 400 or 300 series? Is this more an issue of ASMedia (which weren't they the ones that was responsible for the one security issues from that whole mess)? If so, seems like AMD would be suited to move to a full blown SoC and integrate as much onto the CPU package as possible.
I was gonna ask if Zen 2 was as picky about memory as earlier Zen. I don't care about the crazy high end stuff, I mostly would be interested if I could get just about any kit rated for 3000/3200 to operate. Is it even possible to say yet with the state of BIOSes on these older boards?
That coupled with the pricing on the 570 boards (which, I think both AMD and the board makers maybe share some blame there, would kinda be nice if AMD produced some reference boards like they used to have I think Sapphire make; to keep board makers honest on pricing and updates), makes the state of motherboards an issue on these otherwise great Zen 2 CPUs. And I think AMD was hoping to limit that by goading people into buying 500 series boards to get PCIe 4. Of course when board prices are stupid then people aren't going to. And then when they've touted being able to upgrade the CPU on the same board.
Which, these memory issues (and related) makes me wish AMD would make a special enthusiast platform where they do something like slap HBM on the CPU packaging to serve as the main system memory and ditch DRAM. They could keep the memory sockets and then make special SSDs that would go in them (where they'd be able to offer closer to DRAM bandwidth). But just thinking about say putting a couple of HBM2 stacks on either side of the I/O die on the 3950X, where you'd have 16GB of 400-600GB/s bandwidth, and then could get even better SSD speeds - potentially nearing DRAM bandwidth - for when you need more than 16GB, would be crazy. You'd be spending on SSD anyway, and so even though the HBM2 would cost quite a bit, since you'd be not spending money on DRAM (granted 16GB of ok DDR4 is like $75 these days) it would cut a bit of cost elsewhere while simplifying the platform and offering improvements that would be worth it. They could sell a 3990X for like $1000 with the HBM2 no problem, and I can almost guarantee that the performance would exceed even much higher amount of DRAM (so compare 32-64GB of DDR4 with 1TB PCIe 4.0 SSD against a 16GB HBM2 with 1TB of memory slot SSD). And it'd be even more beneficial when you add GPU where the HBM would help with unified memory space and tons of bandwidth for GPU related tasks. Which InfinityFabric would actually probably become one of the limiting factors then. What is the IF bandwidth between the I/O die and the CPU chiplets?
If you see my posts in this thread, I have memory that might run over 4000, but since you hit the divider at 3733, thats what I am running at. The other system is fubared on its AGESA version. So I say if you have the right BIOS on a 470 board, then NO problem, its totally compatible.I think we're seeing exactly why AMD said no way to PCIe 4.0 support on anything but 500 series boards. Wow, this is not a good look. AMD did the chipset on the 570, right? Did they do that for any of the 400 or 300 series? Is this more an issue of ASMedia (which weren't they the ones that was responsible for the one security issues from that whole mess)? If so, seems like AMD would be suited to move to a full blown SoC and integrate as much onto the CPU package as possible.
I was gonna ask if Zen 2 was as picky about memory as earlier Zen. I don't care about the crazy high end stuff, I mostly would be interested if I could get just about any kit rated for 3000/3200 to operate. Is it even possible to say yet with the state of BIOSes on these older boards?
That coupled with the pricing on the 570 boards (which, I think both AMD and the board makers maybe share some blame there, would kinda be nice if AMD produced some reference boards like they used to have I think Sapphire make; to keep board makers honest on pricing and updates), makes the state of motherboards an issue on these otherwise great Zen 2 CPUs. And I think AMD was hoping to limit that by goading people into buying 500 series boards to get PCIe 4. Of course when board prices are stupid then people aren't going to. And then when they've touted being able to upgrade the CPU on the same board.
Which, these memory issues (and related) makes me wish AMD would make a special enthusiast platform where they do something like slap HBM on the CPU packaging to serve as the main system memory and ditch DRAM. They could keep the memory sockets and then make special SSDs that would go in them (where they'd be able to offer closer to DRAM bandwidth). But just thinking about say putting a couple of HBM2 stacks on either side of the I/O die on the 3950X, where you'd have 16GB of 400-600GB/s bandwidth, and then could get even better SSD speeds - potentially nearing DRAM bandwidth - for when you need more than 16GB, would be crazy. You'd be spending on SSD anyway, and so even though the HBM2 would cost quite a bit, since you'd be not spending money on DRAM (granted 16GB of ok DDR4 is like $75 these days) it would cut a bit of cost elsewhere while simplifying the platform and offering improvements that would be worth it. They could sell a 3990X for like $1000 with the HBM2 no problem, and I can almost guarantee that the performance would exceed even much higher amount of DRAM (so compare 32-64GB of DDR4 with 1TB PCIe 4.0 SSD against a 16GB HBM2 with 1TB of memory slot SSD). And it'd be even more beneficial when you add GPU where the HBM would help with unified memory space and tons of bandwidth for GPU related tasks. Which InfinityFabric would actually probably become one of the limiting factors then. What is the IF bandwidth between the I/O die and the CPU chiplets?
Cool thanks. I can buy new memory but because I have an NH-D15 my options are kinda limited lol
I'm now very happy, haha
Of course I'd be happier with a case and a motherboard, but well, one has to learn to do with what he has !
Does Newegg always package their stuff like crap? I bought a case off them and the entire side panel is smashed to bits. It looks like a herd of elephants trampled over it followed by a blue whale using it as a mattress.
Not that I had a CPU to put inside it anyway.....sigh...
PM me if you want to sell it. I don't charge restocking, only you would have to sell it for retail, and pay $20 or less shipping. I don't even need the HSF.I have an unopened Ryzen 9 3900x sitting about 5 feet from me right now. To be honest, I'm seriously thinking about returning it and not going forward with a build until things calm down. The motherboard situation is a mess and I'm not sure about RAM either - I assume something like Corsair LPX @ 3200 will work at full speed, but who knows at this stage?
My Newegg experience has been solid,things ship quickly and the packing usually is well done. Only issue is this Artic cooler i got had one doa fan and i said heck with a rma and strapped 2 120mm fans on that baby and had better temps then anything reported with the stock fans. Stock fans and shroud looked extremely cheap anyways. Not blaming Newegg for the fail, it happens.
I have an unopened Ryzen 9 3900x sitting about 5 feet from me right now. To be honest, I'm seriously thinking about returning it and not going forward with a build until things calm down. The motherboard situation is a mess and I'm not sure about RAM either - I assume something like Corsair LPX @ 3200 will work at full speed, but who knows at this stage?
PM me if you want to sell it. I don't charge restocking, only you would have to sell it for retail, and pay $20 or less shipping. I don't even need the HSF.
I literally have that ram set on the way... so I'll let you know what happens. (Picked up 16GB to get booting, but would like 32GB for longer-term use.) Though I have the 3700X... so who knows!I have an unopened Ryzen 9 3900x sitting about 5 feet from me right now. To be honest, I'm seriously thinking about returning it and not going forward with a build until things calm down. The motherboard situation is a mess and I'm not sure about RAM either - I assume something like Corsair LPX @ 3200 will work at full speed, but who knows at this stage?
Understand. Early adopter angst is not pretty. However.. very late adopter angst is also not pretty and more solitary and pathetic. ;-)
I literally have that ram set on the way... so I'll let you know what happens. (Picked up 16GB to get booting, but would like 32GB for longer-term use.)
Always have to be ready for a possible dead fan on anything that comes with a fan. In my experience, over the years Newegg's packaging has actually gotten better overall. I have only ever ordered one case from them it was delivered in perfect shape.
I don't pay sales tax.... So I guess thats a no. If you changes your mind, keep the HSF, the CPU is like $8 to ship, so . The HSF is worth $34 ? anyway....I'll let you know what I decide. I'd sell it for exactly what I paid ($499 + tax on Amazon, which was $533 total IIRC) plus shipping. I think it would be less than $20 to ship.
If you're not going to build with it, I might personally consider scalping it on ebay or something. Are they still in sporadically-short supply? (Arriving in batches, at stores?)I have an unopened Ryzen 9 3900x sitting about 5 feet from me right now.
I have an unopened Ryzen 9 3900x sitting about 5 feet from me right now. To be honest, I'm seriously thinking about returning it and not going forward with a build until things calm down. The motherboard situation is a mess and I'm not sure about RAM either - I assume something like Corsair LPX @ 3200 will work at full speed, but who knows at this stage?
This is a Ryzen 3000 builders thread, NOT and Intel thread, or even speculation.Kinda feel like Intel are missing something here. If they dropped the 9900K to $429 it could actually sell very very well because people know the z390 platform is reliable with ram. But $490ish is too high when you factor in a cooler.
Kinda feel like Intel are missing something here. If they dropped the 9900K to $429 it could actually sell very very well because people know the z390 platform is reliable with ram. But $490ish is too high when you factor in a cooler.
@Markfw Do you plan on getting a 3950x as well?