AMD Ryzen 3000 Builders Thread

[B-Riz]

Well I figured it might be an issue only on specific BIOSes. As I said I'm having no problems whatsoever on my board either.

I'd be interested in making a list of which boards and BIOSes people are using when they're running into this problem, and see if there's any trends that appear.

I think a combo of new Windows features and BIOS's doing odd power delivery things AMD didn't account for are a perfect storm of instability; essentially, stuff is being automatically run out of spec by accident.

Testing in Linux / regular Linux users are reporting none of the issues Windows users have.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Can anyone suggest some good 2x16gb memory kits for a 3900x? 3600cl16 kits if possible. One that they have gotten to work at the advertised speeds on their x570 board

 

[IEC]

Can anyone suggest some good 2x16gb memory kits for a 3900x? 3600cl16 kits if possible. One that they have gotten to work at the advertised speeds on their x570 board

2x16GB Ballistix Sport LT (Micron E-Die):
https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164128?Item=N82E16820164128

Lots of reports of 3600 CL16 from users on reddit. And with coupon code it is $124.99 for 32GB... hard to beat.

 

[maddogmcgee]

I'm seeing 1.3-1.35 at idle on my R5 3600, still at the out-of-the-box settings. This is on an Asus Prime X370-Pro with the 5008 BIOS.

However, under gaming load (AC Odyssey) HWMonitor is reporting 1.4-1.45V. Is this bad?

It doesn't seem to be impacting temperatures in a negative way at all - I'm running it with an NH-D15 and in "real use" workloads like H. 264 encoding and play AC Odyssey, I've never seen CPU temps climb above 54C, which is honestly kind of blowing my mind.

I guess it's ok.the game is probably
only using a few threads so a fairly high voltage may be ok. 1.45 under light load is again what AMD says is normal but above what The Stilt says was the max safe low load voltage. PBO is supposed to monitor current and make sure it's safe but seeing higher voltages on 7nm than I was comfortable using with games on my 2500k makes me nervous!. I tried a manual all core overclock and it seemed stable @1.3 4200. the only issue was that the voltage does not go down at idle when setting manual voltage.

I am.on a noctua d15 and in winter do my temps are very low.

 

[repoman0]

2x16GB Ballistix Sport LT (Micron E-Die):
https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164128?Item=N82E16820164128

Lots of reports of 3600 CL16 from users on reddit. And with coupon code it is $124.99 for 32GB... hard to beat.

I'm running these with a 3700X on my X370 board. Works great, haven't bothered to try clocking them at 3600 MHz. Is there a particular benchmark/game/reason you guys care about >3200 MHz? I am asking in all seriousness because from what I've seen, nothing really scales beyond that besides memory bandwidth and latency benchmarks. I get the "big numbers" thing but wondering from a practical perspective

 

[StinkyPinky]

2x16GB Ballistix Sport LT (Micron E-Die):
https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164128?Item=N82E16820164128

Lots of reports of 3600 CL16 from users on reddit. And with coupon code it is $124.99 for 32GB... hard to beat.

Thanks. Sadly looks to be sold out. Do you know of any forum that discusses this type of stuff in detail?

 

[StinkyPinky]

Never mind, found the same kit on amazon for $140. And then for some reason it gave me a further $10 off, probably because I am a prime member. So only a few dollars difference. Will keep you guys posted how this ram goes on my board

 

[Yeroon]

That crossed my mind as well.

The first heatsink that I had on there, a 65W R3 1200 stock heatsink, and then the R5 1600 stock heatsink, I had a bit of trouble getting it screwed down to the back-plate. Often, just one screw wouldn't "catch", and I would have the other three screws torqued at least half-way down, and then I would try to force that screw down to get it to catch, well, it wasn't pretty.

I wonder if I warped the heat-spreader, due to un-even application of the stock screw-on heatsink? I guess that's a possibility?

Edit: Shades of old-school, clamping down heatsinks onto heatspreader-less Athlon XP dies, and being careful not to chip the die.

I don't think you can warp a stock heat spreader very easily. My delidded 6790K heat spreader had some mass to it, and I doubt with newer cpus thats changed much.

If you cant feel much heat on the cooler with 95* cpu temps, there might be a heat transfer issue. I can feel warmth on my zalman air cooler with 45* cpu temps. I'd be double checking the fastening, making sure the base is making good contact, and the socket support bracket is sitting correctly.

If that shows nothing, as mentioned by b-riz, maybe try a boot stick linux and see what those temps and clocks are under load.

 

[StinkyPinky]

I'm running these with a 3700X on my X370 board. Works great, haven't bothered to try clocking them at 3600 MHz. Is there a particular benchmark/game/reason you guys care about >3200 MHz? I am asking in all seriousness because from what I've seen, nothing really scales beyond that besides memory bandwidth and latency benchmarks. I get the "big numbers" thing but wondering from a practical perspective

I'm happy if it just gets to 3200/cl16 as suggested. Most of the "advertised" speeds for ram is on intel platforms, they don't tend to play as nice on AMD boards.

However if its gets to 3200/16 fine then I will try and push it to 3600. 3200/cl14 or 3600/cl16 does seem to be the sweet spot for modern desktops, a few more frames is a few more frames.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I don't think you can warp a stock heat spreader very easily. My delidded 6790K heat spreader had some mass to it, and I doubt with newer cpus thats changed much.

If you cant feel much heat on the cooler with 95* cpu temps, there might be a heat transfer issue. I can feel warmth on my zalman air cooler with 45* cpu temps. I'd be double checking the fastening, making sure the base is making good contact, and the socket support bracket is sitting correctly.

If that shows nothing, as mentioned by b-riz, maybe try a boot stick linux and see what those temps and clocks are under load.

I didn't think warping the stock heat-spreader was that easy, either. I *think*, that my issue is down to: Buggy BIOS/UEFI, overvolting (1.45V at idle!), poor case cooling / environment (*although, I have the A/C on now, and it's still showing 94.5C, with an all-core manual overclock of 3800Mhz @ 1.250V, in the cubby, crunching on 12 threads of PrimeGrid, but no "mining" on the GPUs (idle GPUs).)

I did finally feel warmth on the heatsink, nearer towards the base, when Ryzen Master was showing 105-107C.

I mean, I could try and re-paste, but... I have some doubts that would "fix" anything, because previously, I had the 125W quad-heatpipe old-school stock AMD cooler on there, with the factory paste, so I know that I couldn't have screwed up that paste job, LOL.

Maybe I just lost the silicon lottery, and AMD is shoveling out some turds among the gold CPUs, as far as temps/voltage/boost goes.

I'm going to get a 240mm AIO WC next month or sooner, and then I'll probably know. If I install that, and temps are no better, then it's got to be down to the chip or heat-spreader, IMHO. I've gone through four air coolers already, and 95C+ with all of them.

The behavior that TPU saw in their review, holding to 4.2Ghz boost clock, no matter how many threads (1-12) they threw at it, that hasn't been my experience.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Never mind, found the same kit on amazon for $140. And then for some reason it gave me a further $10 off, probably because I am a prime member. So only a few dollars difference. Will keep you guys posted how this ram goes on my board

Do you have a link? I’m showing $144 and it isn’t giving me the $10 discount, so maybe I’m on the wrong kit (even though I searched on part number).

 

[maddie]

I didn't think warping the stock heat-spreader was that easy, either. I *think*, that my issue is down to: Buggy BIOS/UEFI, overvolting (1.45V at idle!), poor case cooling / environment (*although, I have the A/C on now, and it's still showing 94.5C, with an all-core manual overclock of 3800Mhz @ 1.250V, in the cubby, crunching on 12 threads of PrimeGrid, but no "mining" on the GPUs (idle GPUs).)

I did finally feel warmth on the heatsink, nearer towards the base, when Ryzen Master was showing 105-107C.

I mean, I could try and re-paste, but... I have some doubts that would "fix" anything, because previously, I had the 125W quad-heatpipe old-school stock AMD cooler on there, with the factory paste, so I know that I couldn't have screwed up that paste job, LOL.

Maybe I just lost the silicon lottery, and AMD is shoveling out some turds among the gold CPUs, as far as temps/voltage/boost goes.

I'm going to get a 240mm AIO WC next month or sooner, and then I'll probably know. If I install that, and temps are no better, then it's got to be down to the chip or heat-spreader, IMHO. I've gone through four air coolers already, and 95C+ with all of them.

The behavior that TPU saw in their review, holding to 4.2Ghz boost clock, no matter how many threads (1-12) they threw at it, that hasn't been my experience.

If this is happening, "I did finally feel warmth on the heatsink, nearer towards the base, when Ryzen Master was showing 105-107C." Then rest assured that little heat is being transferred to the cooler.

Why, should now be the line of inquiry.

 

[Adul]

I got my RAM (14-14-14-35 Gkill Trident Z DDR4 3200) running at DDR4 3600 16-16-16-35 timings, though ryzen master reports CAS write at 14. Voltage is at 1.36V on a MSI MEG Ace. I manually set the IF to 1800MHz as well as there appears to be an issue for some where the IF clock and memory clock are running out of Sync.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ccsh2v

 

[B-Riz]

I'm happy if it just gets to 3200/cl16 as suggested. Most of the "advertised" speeds for ram is on intel platforms, they don't tend to play as nice on AMD boards.

However if its gets to 3200/16 fine then I will try and push it to 3600. 3200/cl14 or 3600/cl16 does seem to be the sweet spot for modern desktops, a few more frames is a few more frames.

I'm doing a Ballistix 2x8 3200 kit on the 2200g at XMP profile, might have an OC on it, I don't remember...

 

[B-Riz]

I didn't think warping the stock heat-spreader was that easy, either. I *think*, that my issue is down to: Buggy BIOS/UEFI, overvolting (1.45V at idle!), poor case cooling / environment (*although, I have the A/C on now, and it's still showing 94.5C, with an all-core manual overclock of 3800Mhz @ 1.250V, in the cubby, crunching on 12 threads of PrimeGrid, but no "mining" on the GPUs (idle GPUs).)

I did finally feel warmth on the heatsink, nearer towards the base, when Ryzen Master was showing 105-107C.

I mean, I could try and re-paste, but... I have some doubts that would "fix" anything, because previously, I had the 125W quad-heatpipe old-school stock AMD cooler on there, with the factory paste, so I know that I couldn't have screwed up that paste job, LOL.

Maybe I just lost the silicon lottery, and AMD is shoveling out some turds among the gold CPUs, as far as temps/voltage/boost goes.

I'm going to get a 240mm AIO WC next month or sooner, and then I'll probably know. If I install that, and temps are no better, then it's got to be down to the chip or heat-spreader, IMHO. I've gone through four air coolers already, and 95C+ with all of them.

The behavior that TPU saw in their review, holding to 4.2Ghz boost clock, no matter how many threads (1-12) they threw at it, that hasn't been my experience.

Do you have any other AM4 boards to test the chip with?

 

[GhostPirateLeChuck]

So I wanted to follow up with you again. I may be going to Microcenter this weekend, and they have the Aorus Master in stock. Are you liking the board and BIOS? My other in-stock X570 options (excluding the $700 boards and the low end boards) are:

Asus CHVIII Hero (Wi-fi)
Asus Prime Pro
Asus Rog Strix
Asus Rog Strix E
Asus Pro Workstation
Gigabyte Aorus Pro
Gigabyte Aorus Elite
Gigabyte Aorus Ultra
Asrock Steel Legend
Asrock Taichi

For me, it comes down to the CHVIII, Taichi X570, and the Gigabyte Aorus Master. Recommendations? I was planning on using the included cooler, though I do have a spare 240 AIO I got on sale awhile back. Obviously a 360 would be better but I don't think I can justify the cost. I don't think I'll be doing any manual overclocking but on the other hand, the room it will be in can get warm (upper 70s) so at some point I may need to go that route.

I'm thinking I'll let the dust settle a bit with my X370 Taichi BIOS situation and then maybe get a 3700x for that system. I think I've decided to go with X570 for my 3900x build. This is the RAM you're using, correct?

It's really dependent on which board has the features you need. There seems to be zero point in trying to overclock the 3900X, so according folks like Buildzoid, the VRM design on the $200 and up motherboards is perfectly fine.

I'm not 100% happy with the F5G bios on the aorus master, so I'll flash the backup BIOS with F5E, and see how it is. As far as finding things, it's actually really easy, and mostly intuitive. A lot of the settings you'll want to tinker with are in the Tweakers category in Advanced Mode. I forget the exact name, but there's a subsection in Settings right below AMD CBS that's not shown in the motherboard manual, where you can also tweak other CPU-related settings (that's where I disabled PBO, since there seems to be minuscule difference in performance with it enabled/disabled). Everything else is logically organized.

Here's the one thing I don't like about the F5G BIOS: If it sits there during boot for 30-40 seconds, the monitor has no signal, and the debug LED shows 02 or 04, you may as well just reset the power on the power supply and try again. Those two codes aren't listed in the extensive list in the motherboard manual, so I have no idea what they mean. I've yet to experience any of the specific error codes listed (50-5F, D0-DF, E8-EF, or F8-FF), so that's great. This is the sole issue I've encountered, and it's intermittent. This desktop is gonna be on 24/7, so even if it still happens with F5E as well, I won't encounter it very often (excluding Win10 updates).

Other than that (and Win10 Pro being an absolute PITA. I hate it), things are running very nicely on my new system with the exception of Ryzen Master crapping out after updating Win10 to 1903. No clue what it's malfunction is, but CPU-Z and AIDA 64 work fine, and VMware Workstation Pro 15.1 installed without a hitch (I'm still transferring 12TB of files over to the new desktop, and need to setup VIRL 1.6 in it again anyway).

And yup, that's the exact RAM kit I purchased.

Whomever said those LPX DIMMs are 31mm was off, as I had to raise the front fan on the NH-D15 a little bit. Not as much as if I'd pick up a G.Skill or Ballistix kit. though. That height was the main reason I picked up that RAM, so if you prefer either of those two, and are using a CLC or a cooler that doesn't overhang the DIMMs as much as mine, you'd likely be just fine with those after enabling the XMP profile, too.

I do wanna tinker with the case fans a bit, to see if I can drop the temps a bit further, as well as see if removing the filters makes an appreciable difference. It's a meshify S2, and if I had to do it over, I'd pick up an O11 Dynamic instead. I've got 7 NF-F12 intakes (4 front, 2 on top right in front of the CPU cooler to blow in more cool air, one in the PSU shroud to aim up at the GPU, and maybe get some cool air in the back, where the SSDs and HDDs are). There are two exhaust fans, both behind the CPU cooler (one is up top).

 

[B-Riz]

After battling with my b450 Tomahawk bios I have a 3700x system up and running.

My temps are low and I know Ryzen is supposed to boost voltages at times but the immature bios and drivers are making me a bit concerned....I am half thinking of turning off precision boost for a few weeks until everything settles down and a refined bios is released.

How is everyone else going with their voltages at the moment? Anyone decided to turn boost off for the moment?

I just put the 3600 on the B350 Tomahawk and set all power options to auto in BIOS, re-installed the chipset drivers, looks ok in Ryzen Master, Win10 x64 1903 idle is ~1.33v using Ryzen Balanced.

3600, MSI B350 Tomahawk, Combo PI 1.0.0.3, all auto BIOS power settings, Gammaxx 400, Chieftec Dragon case, 4 x 80mm full speed

Did screen grabs of the *max* voltage I saw used.

Singe core prime95 small fft, pinned to CPU0


All core prime95 small fft

 

[GhostPirateLeChuck]

Hehe, getting between 3.9 and 4.2GHz on some cores, just transferring 3TB of files off an external USB 3.0 HDD to a WD Blue 6TB HDD. I also attached the RAM info from Ryzen Master as well, for the curious. It's that Vengeance LPX 3200 CL16 (4x16GB) DDR4 kit. Hopefully I can tweak my cooling a bit by tinkering with the case fans, and maybe alter the profiles in Smart Fan 5. The AMD Balanced power plan is in use, instead of Win10's.

 

[B-Riz]

Lower end B350 seems to be great with the 3600 and a better than stock cooler.

Cinebench R20 Results, mostly for volt / temp info

3600, MSI B350 Tomahawk, Combo PI 1.0.0.3, all auto BIOS power settings, Gammaxx 400, Chieftec Dragon case, 4 x 80mm full speed



CBR20 Pinned to CPU0


CBR20 All Core

 

[DrMrLordX]

Side comment what's the best Static Pressure Noctua's. Looking to use them on my H100i. Probably a high CFM Noctua in back as an exhaust.

Fear the Noctua industrialPPC line:

https://noctua.at/en/nf-f12-industrialppc-3000-pwm/specification

I had the 140mm fans on my NH-d15 and they are seriously loud at full bore. The 120mm fans are probably no better. Still, you will not get better performance out of 25mm thick fans anywhere else.

If you want 38mm fans then you can look at some Sanyo Denki options, maybe. Hard to find places to buy those though. Noctua makes it easy to buy a hardcore fan.

Yes, around ~450W from the wall.

How does power usage from the wall compare to the previous processor (R5 1600?) that you had in that machine?

For me, it comes down to the CHVIII, Taichi X570, and the Gigabyte Aorus Master. Recommendations?

CH8 and Aorus Master are both good options. Aorus Master technically has better hardware. Jury's still out on which board will have better microcode support.

 

[lopri]

Can you take some pictures with your board out of the case, cpu in the board no cooler, and cooler(s) sitting on the CPU, not clamped down?

This is all very odd...

I use the mounting clips that came with the heatsink. It is facing the "wrong" way and I do need to find the fan clips. Currently the fan is held by a couple of rubber bands. I will upload pictures.

Can anyone suggest some good 2x16gb memory kits for a 3900x? 3600cl16 kits if possible. One that they have gotten to work at the advertised speeds on their x570 board

I recommend this kit if it ever comes back in stock at the price showing as of now. ($148) B-die stuff which will most likely will do 3200/CL14. With extra volts it should do 3600/CL16.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232198?Item=N82E16820232198

Edit: Below is actually rated 3600. I'd still take the CL14 sticks.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232740

 

[GhostPirateLeChuck]

Fear the Noctua industrialPPC line:

https://noctua.at/en/nf-f12-industrialppc-3000-pwm/specification

I had the 140mm fans on my NH-d15 and they are seriously loud at full bore. The 120mm fans are probably no better. Still, you will not get better performance out of 25mm thick fans anywhere else.

Yup, even the normal 140mm fans can definitely get loud when the CPU is under heavy load, but those IndustrialPPC fans are even louder at full speed. The 120mm NF-F12s aren't exactly quiet, either. Still, they've got fantastic static pressure.

 

[fstime]

I was able to get 3600 14-14-14-34 (stock XMP timings @ 3200) at 1.45v with G Skill Flare-X.

Ran memtest and prime95 for about an hour each with no issues.

 

[lopri]

I'm running these with a 3700X on my X370 board. Works great, haven't bothered to try clocking them at 3600 MHz. Is there a particular benchmark/game/reason you guys care about >3200 MHz? I am asking in all seriousness because from what I've seen, nothing really scales beyond that besides memory bandwidth and latency benchmarks. I get the "big numbers" thing but wondering from a practical perspective

Don't be a party pooper. I need some validation after spending $$$ on B-die stuff.

 

[B-Riz]

Don't be a party pooper. I need some validation after spending $$$ on B-die stuff.

Lol, I was jelly of everyone that had the stomach / pocket book to get B-Die in the past 2 years to run on Zen and Zen+, I could never talk myself into getting any.

I am so glad AMD fixed the memory controller in Zen2, (not the latency vs Intel, it is what it is) and very happy that Crucial has inexpensive quantities of OC-able 32GB 3200 kits