AMD Ryzen 3000 Builders Thread

[Kenmitch]

Yeah there wasn't any. The online browser provides some. There were boosts into 4550-4625MHz on some of the tests. Point being, even with the boost behavior, the static OC wins anyway. For whatever reason, the combination of the microcode and Win10 scheduler can't keep enough cores boosted high enough to compete with a simple 4.3 GHz OC.

Have you noticed anything weird with memory latency and static OC's?

I'm not sure what's going on, but my memory looks to be somehow dropping it's latency. Maybe the MB is slowly adjusting settings beyond what's visible to me? Maybe there's some sweat spot between the memory controller and cpu clockspeeds?

I've done nothing as far as memory tweaking. All I did was try out a few static overclocks of 4250-4275 MHz on my 3700x and it's dropped a few ns's of latency.



I'm gonna have to do some more testing to see what's going on with it.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Have you noticed anything weird with memory latency and static OC's?

Now that you mention it, yes.

When running DDR4-3600:

default: 66.8ns
4000 MHz static: 67.2 ns
4375 MHz static: 65.8 ns
4450 MHz static: 65.4 ns

Might have to do with L3 cache speed and cache hierarchy.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

When I build a new combo I just go for the basic cpu, mem, video card on top of the box to make sure it works before I go thru all the hassle of mounting it in the case and tidying up all the wiring, etc.

I wouldn't rule out a short or crossed motherboard lead, incompatible usb header, etc.

It is currently sat on top of it's box.
Literally just 24 pin and 8 pin power connected.
Powers up in all configurations that involve no CPU in socket.
Fails to power up in all configurations that involve CPU in socket.

 

[Kenmitch]

It is currently sat on top of it's box.
Literally just 24 pin and 8 pin power connected.
Powers up in all configurations that involve no CPU in socket.
Fails to power up in all configurations that involve CPU in socket.

Does your MB have 8+4 pin power connector?

What happens with cpu and no cooler mounted?

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

Tried with 8+4.
Tried without cooler mounted.
No joy.

 

[Kenmitch]

Tried with 8+4.
Tried without cooler mounted.
No joy.

That blows!

 

[UsandThem]

Yup, first time trying to boot. Whenever CPU is in socket it just won't power on the motherboard. No EZ Debug lights etc...no fans...no power. I swapped out the CMOS battery, but still nothing.

There's just no sign of life at all.

Power supply is working fine. GPU lights up when no CPU in socket etc. It just trips as if there's a short circuit with CPU in socket.

Tried with 8+4.
Tried without cooler mounted.
No joy.

What is your power supply? Was it a previously known working unit? If not, I'd test it to make sure it's providing the correct power to the socket using a multimeter, or something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Insten-24-pin-Power-Supply-Tester/dp/B005CTCD6S

Outside of that, maybe the CPU or motherboard is defective?

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

What is your power supply? Was it a previously known working unit? If not, I'd test it to make sure it's providing the correct power to the socket using a multimeter, or something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Insten-24-pin-Power-Supply-Tester/dp/B005CTCD6S

Outside of that, maybe the CPU or motherboard is defective?

Seasonic Focus Gold+ 750w - brand new.
I've ordered one of those PSU testers - never knew they existed.
I'll be RMA'ing the CPU tomorrow in any event.

 

[Aspality]

Just thought I'd add my experience with my 3700X here.

I have the Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 7 mobo, Noctua NH-D15 cooler, the CoolerMaster H500P mesh case with it's huge dual 200mm intake fans and three extra NZXT 140mm exhaust fans so my cooling is about as baller as air cooling gets.

Idle temps at Balanced power option with Default mode on Ryzen Master is 26-27C pulling ~1.3V, ambient temp is apparently 16C here in my room (I don't really trust this old thermometer though). My fans are set to run quietly here.

I didn't get much of a gain by using Auto OC since if I set Power Options to High Performance, any load will just boost my cpu to 4.2GHz and Auto OC doesn't do much on top of that. Cinebench R20 score for this was around 4.7k

If I manually overclocked with all core OC to 4.4GHz and ran Cinebench R20 I got 5051, ran this three more times and all resulted in exactly 5051, with temperatures at this point were around 58-60C.
I ran the test several more times without giving the CPU a break, and my temperatures of course rose up, though I only ended up hitting 70C tops, CB R20 scores here were around 4999-5015. I was drawing about 1.45V throughout these OCs.
I did try to overclock higher and tried 4.5GHz initially and then 4.45GHz and while both were stable from Ryzen Master's test, CB R20 would crash so I lowered it back to 4.4.

I could do more tests but these were just quick tests for my own curiosity, but overall I'm pretty happy with what I got.

 

[DrMrLordX]

@Aspality

Ryzen Master's stability test is not very intense. I can get it to pass using clockspeed/voltage combos that won't pass muster anywhere else.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Meanwhile has anyone managed a Super PI 1M run under 9 seconds? I was so excited to see the first sub-10 sec number from an AMD CPU with my 3700X. (9.217 secs) Now that I see how close it is to 9 second mark, I am wondering what kind of frequency it takes to go below.

Here you go!



The answer is, "4600 MHz or higher". I had Core 3 set to 4625 MHz, and I use Task Manager to set affinity. Without setting affinity, the scheduler is too stupid to make this happen on its own. Voltage was set to 1.4v + Medium LLC.

 

[Topweasel]

I feel like an idiot but I have to ask this is becoming really annoying for me. Anyone using an Asrock 570x that can tell me what I need to do to actually set the memory for either the XMP or manually. Every time I make a change. I exit and restart and its still at 2133. Everything else is perfect with the machine but I can't for the life of me change my memory speed. It's probably something simple I am missing. But I just can't find it.

 

[Space Tyrant]

I feel like an idiot but I have to ask this is becoming really annoying for me. Anyone using an Asrock 570x that can tell me what I need to do to actually set the memory for either the XMP or manually. Every time I make a change. I exit and restart and its still at 2133. Everything else is perfect with the machine but I can't for the life of me change my memory speed. It's probably something simple I am missing. But I just can't find it.

Just guessing here, but every time I've had a similar problem on my older Asrock boards, it's because there are multiple places to change something. AMD CBS/Asrock Overclocking/Pstate Overclocking/Manual Overclocking/Auto... categories come to mind as what probably caused my several similar incidents. Could you be changing the one that isn't "active"?

 

[Markfw]

I feel like an idiot but I have to ask this is becoming really annoying for me. Anyone using an Asrock 570x that can tell me what I need to do to actually set the memory for either the XMP or manually. Every time I make a change. I exit and restart and its still at 2133. Everything else is perfect with the machine but I can't for the life of me change my memory speed. It's probably something simple I am missing. But I just can't find it.

Well, if it fails some setting, it will always revert back to 2133 ??

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

Well, if it fails some setting, it will always revert back to 2133 ??

Not sure that is true. AMD's Robert Hallock stated that it would try to post up to 7 times on looser timings etc, so not an automatic default to 2133MHz.

 

[Zstream]

Just finished my build.

3600
Asus Tuf Gaming x570 + Wifi
Lian Li PC-001
Intel 545s
Nvidia 2600
2x CRUCIAL 8GB D4 3200C

Everything seems to be up and running, the CPU is noticeably faster than my O/C 1700. Seems to be less heat generated as well from the box. However, the three fans Corsair AF120 LED + Stock cooler is pretty loud. The three fans are three-pin, so maybe that's an issue? I haven't seen a CPU cooler under 150mm that isn't stupidly expensive. I thought about the: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L but I'm worried it won't be enough for 12 core chips? Any thoughts?

 

[Aspality]

I haven't seen a CPU cooler under 150mm that isn't stupidly expensive. I thought about the: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L but I'm worried it won't be enough for 12 core chips? Any thoughts?

It's still a 240mm rad, I wouldn't worry too much with a 3600.
Also do you mean 12 threads?

 

[Markfw]

Just finished my build.

3600
Asus Tuf Gaming x570 + Wifi
Lian Li PC-001
Intel 545s
Nvidia 2600
2x CRUCIAL 8GB D4 3200C

Everything seems to be up and running, the CPU is noticeably faster than my O/C 1700. Seems to be less heat generated as well from the box. However, the three fans Corsair AF120 LED + Stock cooler is pretty loud. The three fans are three-pin, so maybe that's an issue? I haven't seen a CPU cooler under 150mm that isn't stupidly expensive. I thought about the: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L but I'm worried it won't be enough for 12 core chips? Any thoughts?

I have 2 3900x's both on 240mm coolermaster AIO's

 

[Kenmitch]

Not sure that is true. AMD's Robert Hallock stated that it would try to post up to 7 times on looser timings etc, so not an automatic default to 2133MHz.

Dependant on MB's default settings. It's gotta get past the initial jump before it'll train. Sometimes it's just the dram voltage hurdle as it might need to be manually changed before reboot. Some MB's have dram boot up voltage option. My CH6 needed bootup dram voltsge changed to dram voltage to boot up my bb-die@3600 MHz.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I have 2 3900x's both on 240mm coolermaster AIO's

Are you satisfied with the coolmaster AIO cooling & apologies if this is ignorant are they quiet?

My main concerns with water are:
Leaks
Noise

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm on an original (non-RGB model) CoolerMaster MasterLiquid Lite 240 240mm AIO WC kit, on my 3600 right now. They are fairly quiet, though I can hear some whining occasionally, at high loads. (I've been running a lot of DC lately, there's a PG race right now.)

I think, that for the money, they are one of the better AIO WC kits. But get the 240mm over the 120mm, the 120mm doesn't cool much better than a really decent air HSF. (It does cool better, but ... marginally so.)

 

[Markfw]

Are you satisfied with the coolmaster AIO cooling & apologies if this is ignorant are they quiet?

My main concerns with water are:
Leaks
Noise

Never had an AIO leak.

I am deaf, so no idea on noise.

 

[lopri]

I feel like an idiot but I have to ask this is becoming really annoying for me. Anyone using an Asrock 570x that can tell me what I need to do to actually set the memory for either the XMP or manually. Every time I make a change. I exit and restart and its still at 2133. Everything else is perfect with the machine but I can't for the life of me change my memory speed. It's probably something simple I am missing. But I just can't find it.

After you set the memory higher than 2133 in BIOS you still see 2133 in Windows? It is hard to say what is going on without knowing what the board's BIOS looks like.

 

[VirtualLarry]

After you set the memory higher than 2133 in BIOS you still see 2133 in Windows? It is hard to say what is going on without knowing what the board's BIOS looks like.

On my ASRock AB350M Pro4, the UEFI was a bit weird at first, you had to set XMP, and then ALSO select a "Profile" (or manually set DRAM clock).

 

[Kenmitch]

After you set the memory higher than 2133 in BIOS you still see 2133 in Windows? It is hard to say what is going on without knowing what the board's BIOS looks like.

Most modern uEFI's have screenshot capabilities. Would be nice if users with bios questions would take advantage of the feature.