Run Thaiphoon Burner and see what kind of chips you have in it. If it's older Hynix then you may be lucky to hit DDR4-3200 with it.
I would love to hear you guys take on Ryzen 3xxx and memory. I got the cheapest DDR4-3200 32Gig kit I could find, but I'm wondering if that was a mistake.
I have no problem hitting DDR4-3200 with it, I can't get it to go higher. I saw a youtube vid that said anything higher than DDR4-3600 was a waste of cash, and was wondering what the consensus here was.Run Thaiphoon Burner and see what kind of chips you have in it. If it's older Hynix then you may be lucky to hit DDR4-3200 with it.
I have no problem hitting DDR4-3200 with it, I can't get it to go higher. I saw a youtube vid that said anything higher than DDR4-3600 was a waste of cash, and was wondering what the consensus here was.
It's relatively new. The 3600 is $189 and the 3600X is $199 as well. The 3600X at $199 is almost worth it too. But $349 for a 3800X isn't too bad, considering the 3700X is $319.I see the Ryzen 3800x is $50 off at Micro Center, $350 currently. Has this price been going on for a while? I was planning to upgrade in November. Anyone think this deal will not be available in November?
Also i settled on the ASUS X570 TUF Gaming Plus (WI-FI) AMD AM4 ATX Motherboard but the whole rank on memory and Tom's saying I should get 4 ranks. Is the easiest way to get 4 ranks to buy a 4x8GB kit?
Sounds like a trip back to Micro center is in order. Thanks for the info!That's generally correct. DDR4-3600 is the "soft cap" on DDR speed for most Matisse systems. The problem is that IF clock doesn't like to go much faster than 1800 MHz. I haven't tried 1900 MHz on mine, but 1866 MHz is doable . . . with some tuning. If you try for async mode then you get massive mem latency, making the increased DDR speeds useless (for the most part). I couldn't even justify DDR4-4400 in async mode. It was bad. So unless you're going to try pushing IF clock to the moon, shooting for more than DDR4-3600 with tight timings is pointless. And you probably won't get past DDR4-3800.
That's kind of what I was wondering. Really, I think I'm at a semi-"sweet spot" with my RAM configuration on this R5 3600 rig, I've got 4x8GB DDR4-3600 and 1800 FCLK. Granted, timings aren't the best, 18-22-22-xx (1T?), but it at least is stable, which is definitely something with all four slots filled, and just having to "Set XMP", well "DOCP".)The stupid part is that you probably won't get any performance running DDR4-5000 on a Ryzen 3000 system over, say, DDR4-3800 thanks to async mode.
It's relatively new. The 3600 is $189 and the 3600X is $199 as well. The 3600X at $199 is almost worth it too. But $349 for a 3800X isn't too bad, considering the 3700X is $319.
Mine also has 3900X in stock but still over-MRSP at $549 (though that's not nearly as egregious as other sites).
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That Tom's article is kinda stupid. People running 2x8 DDR4-3600 14-14-14-28 are still going to outperform people with 4x8 configs running DDR4-3600 18-18-18-36. At least in mem benchmarks anyway. Getting DDR4-3600 with 4 ranks is not so easy. It can be done more-easily than on previous AM4 systems, but still. Unless you really want the extra RAM, I would not listen too much to Tom's. No sense in spending extra money on RAM you may not need just to have headaches getting it to run at its rated speed.
I would love to see a 3950 non "X" variant with a 65w tdp and a slight bump in lowering of the core speed would be fine by me..The latest BIOS for my MSI B450I Gaming Plus (ITX) mobo updates to 1003 ABBA and I see at least 3 of 8 cores boosting to 4400 on light load, with the rest between 4325 and 4375. However, they wiped out memory subtimings in this BIOS so I'm stuck using MSI's "Try It" presets until they fix it.
I threw in 2x16GB of Crucial Ballistix (Micron E-Die) and it booted right up at the 3600 MHz 1800 FCLK/UCLK preset with 16-19-19-19 timings and 1.05 vSOC and 1.40 vDIMM.
Also threw the stock 3900X cooler on the 3700X to see how it handles it. It's a perfectly adequate cooler and reasonably quiet, even on AVX2 loads. Not unexpected given the much lower TDP of the 3700X vs 3900X...
Now if Clevo or some other ODM comes out with a AM4 laptop chassis supporting the 3700X and a midrange laptop GPU or better it will be an instant purchase from me. 3700X is great at the 65W TDP and with some tweaks or running in ECO mode it'd be solid in a DTR laptop.
Planning to make the purchase today, but some questions still linger:
3600 for $189
5700 reference (XFX two year warranty) - plan to target efficiency if any mods done - $290 seems reasonable for the performance
This will pop onto a Gigabyte DS3H B450 board, with 2 x 8GB G.skill Trident 3200 / CL16 RAM, and an m.2 SSD (Intel 660p, damn cheap for the performance and 1TB).
What changes would you make, if any?
Micro center said the sale ends tonight so with 5 minutes to close i have reserved my order of the 3800x for $350. I have a feeling a new deal for the same discount will start tomorrow.It's relatively new. The 3600 is $189 and the 3600X is $199 as well. The 3600X at $199 is almost worth it too. But $349 for a 3800X isn't too bad, considering the 3700X is $319.
Mine also has 3900X in stock but still over-MRSP at $549 (though that's not nearly as egregious as other sites).
Yeah disable XMP and go back to bone stock before you tweak your RAM
Exactly my thought process, with 3600 the DS3H should be OK. This is going to be primarily a workstation/Plex server/light-moderate gaming rig for now. We have 1440p75 and 1080p75 monitors, and my son and I will play mostly Civ6, Fortnite, PUBG, and when they come out, Flight Sim 2020, Kerbal Space Program 2. Of course, I'll do work from home as well, but the 3600 will be sufficient. I thought about sticking with the 2200G and just getting a dGPU (multimonitor setup) but in the end if we are going to game while someone is watching movies on Plex, I could see some major issues.If you are only ever going to run a 3600, then the VRM's on your motherboard probably don't really matter too much, but if you were thinking of running an 8 or 12 core either Zen 2 or maybe even Zen 3, then I would go for a MSI B450 Mortar Max or Tomahawk Max, as their combo of VRM and heatsinks are probably about as good as it gets for a B450 motherboard and both boards have the latest bios installed, so you can run a Ryzen 3000 series CPU right off the bat.
Further I do not need 32GB right now and based on the QVL for RAM on my future mobo i am not sure i can do 4 sticks unless i buy a 4 stick pack. I checked some of the QVL ones and none are available at Micro center. However i am guessing most dual channel kits could be increased to 4 sticks and still work. I miss the days of just buying RAM and it worked, no worries about compatibility.
That partially solved the reflashing issue. it still happened just not with every try. But seems my RAM sticks are dud (or the memory controller) because anything tighter than xmp profile and it simply won't work. kind of pissed as it sounded e-die si easy to get to 3200mhz cl14 and now I can only do cl16 with mediocre timings.
Micro center said the sale ends tonight so with 5 minutes to close i have reserved my order of the 3800x for $350. I have a feeling a new deal for the same discount will start tomorrow.
Hmm, what kind of vDIMM and vSoC did you try? Also, what kind of settings does the DRAM calculator recommend for DDR4-3333 (fast)? Can you attach a screenshot?
Anyone has a MSI X570-A Pro motherboard (or the nearly-identical MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus)?
That's kind of what I was wondering. Really, I think I'm at a semi-"sweet spot" with my RAM configuration on this R5 3600 rig, I've got 4x8GB DDR4-3600 and 1800 FCLK. Granted, timings aren't the best, 18-22-22-xx (1T?), but it at least is stable, which is definitely something with all four slots filled, and just having to "Set XMP", well "DOCP".)
Micro center said the sale ends tonight so with 5 minutes to close i have reserved my order of the 3800x for $350. I have a feeling a new deal for the same discount will start tomorrow.
Still shows the same pricing online currently.
On another note it's the 1st time I've seen the 3800x out of stock in a long time at my local store. I guess the price drop moved the inventory as planned. All other 3xxx show as 10+ in stock with the exception of 1 lonely 3900x.
CPUs like the 3600X and 3800X are in weird positions this generation. They really aren't much faster than the 3600 or 3700X, whereas the previous Ryzen "X" CPUs offered enough of a performance increase to justify the higher prices (e.g. the 2700 vs 2700X).Some kind of overstock must be happening with the 3800x.
Was at Microcenter Friday all set to buy a 3700x and at a dude says there is a flash sale on the 3800x, $10 additional off. No sign.
I have managed places smaller but similar to Microcenter, sounds like the committed to buying too many and have too many in the pipeline. Some boss of all bosses probably said discount these $10 to encourage and upsell but don’t discount them all.
Just a guess no facts or evidence.