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DarthKyrie

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Some kind of overstock must be happening with the 3800x.
Was at Microcenter Friday all set to buy a 3700x and at a dude says there is a flash sale on the 3800x, $10 additional off. No sign.
I have managed places smaller but similar to Microcenter, sounds like the committed to buying too many and have too many in the pipeline. Some boss of all bosses probably said discount these $10 to encourage and upsell but don’t discount them all.

Just a guess no facts or evidence.

Those flash sales usually occur on a store by store basis with Microcenter, it usually relies on the stock in store and what is coming in their next order.
 
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Those flash sales usually occur on a store by store basis with Microcenter, it usually relies on the stock in store and what is coming in their next order.

Exactly my thought.
Microcenter has a “days on hand figure”, probably around 10 days for big things like CPUs. The store has a mess of 3800x chips with a 45 days on hand average. More are arriving this week. Easiest way to meet your days on hand number is to sell more of the highest most valuable product. Most businesses weighted it by value. $6.00 thumb drive sitting around for 400 days doesn’t hurt, a $350 processor hurts 60 times more.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Fast preset which doesn't work and requires reflashing: (dram voltage set to 1.37 in BIOS)

So I should probably try with higher dram voltage

I'm not sure how much voltage Micron e-die will take, but 1.4v is a good place to start. Maybe try those DDR4-3333 fast settings at DDR4-3266 with 1.4v?

@Seba

I don't see any particular problem with that MSI board as long as you'll only ever use it with a 3600.
 

Seba

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Earlier today I orderd another Ryzen 5 3600 and just now I also ordered the MSI X570-A Pro motherboard.

Due to some discounts, the total cost (for CPU + MB) is only 8% higher than for my first try (the same Ryzen 5 3600, but with a MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX).

I hope I have better luck this time.
 
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Kenmitch

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Do you have VRM overheating issues when running Blender Benchmark with your Ryzen 7 3700X? If not, a Ryzen 5 3600 (like I plan to use) should be more than fine on that board.

Hwinfo shows 56.0 °C as max temp for the last 8 hrs including the Blender run I just did. Guess I'd say no I don't have VRM temp issuses.
 

amrnuke

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Got my rig set up, kind of. Upgraded from a 2200G to a 3600 (+ 5700). Did not think it would be much different for the everyday things I do (outside of gaming). Wow, was I wrong. There are literally no hang-ups on usual tasks. The little fraction-of-a-second delays are gone. Things just happen instantly that I used to expect to wait on. Very happy so far. Just waiting on the RMA of my Trident Z RAM - currently using a paltry 8GB of 3200MT/s CL16 RAM kit because the 16GB Trident Z kit had memtest errors galore.
 

JimKiler

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Question fellow Ryzen builders. I got my 3800X last night and i already have a MASTERAIR MA410P CPU cooler i want to reuse. I am using the Asus TUF Gaming Plus (Wifi) X570 mobo with a nice sheet metal support on the back. Should i use the motherboard back support with my CPU or the plastic X support my CPU cooler came with? I have not gotten to the point of trying the motherboard one, but i assume I can make it work. Maybe i am just wrong and it will not be compatible.
 

Seba

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I got my second Ryzen 5 3600 (BF 1929 SUS). This one is made in Suzhou, China, week 29, 2019. Wafer made in Saratoga.

It came with a different revision of Wraith Stealth cooler - AMD p/n 712-000046 Rev.C (besides the plastic clips, the AMD ring on this one is also secured with two small screws on the back side of the AMD logo; the fan on this cooler has a spacer to lift it 1-2 millimeters from the heatsink and the cable exit point is different).

This cooler has the TIM applied as a disc/circle inscribed (with a few mm offset from the edges) in the square shape of the heatsink core (the square block from where the radiator fins start).

First Ryzen 5 3600 (BF 1919 PGT) - with which I got rounding errors at stock in Prime95 Small FFTs - was made in Penang, Malaysia, week 19, 2019 and the wafer was made in Texas.

The Wraith Stealth cooler had AMD p/n 712-000052 Rev.H. No small screws to hold the ring with the AMD logo and no spacers between the fan and the heatsink/radiator.

This cooler had the TIM applied as a square, almost right to the border where heatsink fins start. So this one had a larger area covered with TIM.

Edit:
Corrected the revision number of the cooler from the new Ryzen.

Edit 2:
I bought both CPUs from the same shop, about 2 weeks apart.
 
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beginner99

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Question fellow Ryzen builders. I got my 3800X last night and i already have a MASTERAIR MA410P CPU cooler i want to reuse. I am using the Asus TUF Gaming Plus (Wifi) X570 mobo with a nice sheet metal support on the back. Should i use the motherboard back support with my CPU or the plastic X support my CPU cooler came with? I have not gotten to the point of trying the motherboard one, but i assume I can make it work. Maybe i am just wrong and it will not be compatible.

I can't speak for compatibitly but the default back plate certainly is strong enough as my nh-d14 mounts to it with the am4 kit. I suspect you will need to figure out if an AM4 kit for that cooler exists.

EDIT:

A quick google search found this:

The installation is a little more extensive, because Cooler Master provides its own backplate instead of using the standard AM4 backplate. Therefore, we first attach threaded bolts with the help of plastic clips to the matching positions of the backplate …

So it sounds liek you need to remove the stock backplate
 

DisEnchantment

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I would try setting vcore at 1.2 fixed and fan fixed as high as you can stand it. Also, Corsair fans are notoriously loud, I would consider replacing them.

You cpu speeds and average vcore look like mine. You also might try a fixed cpu speed if you use it a lot.

Wow, thanks so much for this advice. Thank you!!!
I removed all the Corsair RGB Magnetic Levitation fans and replaced them with Noctua Chromax 140mm and 120mm.
The Noise difference is night and day.
Noctua is incredible. I cannot hear anything else except the AIO pump. And they push more air than the ML140 fans at lower rpm.
I still use the Corsair 280mm AIO. I wonder if I can get an awesome AIO with low pump noise.

Only thing is that I spent almost 140 EUR on those ML140/120 fans.
And these new Noctua Chromax black swap are very costly. Almost 30 EUR each, I got six of them.
Also used the latest and greatest Noctua NT-H2 thermal paste.

Additionally, Ubuntu 19.10 released today! Ubuntu 19.10 with 3900X and 5700XT works perfectly.
I had a harrowing time some weeks ago with my new build on Linux. Especially my 5700XT, it crashed a lot on Linux.

Thankfully Ubuntu 19.10 came out and it works flawlessly out of the box with 3900X/5700XT.
Awesome day with my AMD build.
 
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JimKiler

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You guys have been so helpful to me already. But i have more questions. Last night i got my 3800X running on an Asus TUF Gaming Plus X570 and Ripjaws V 16GB 2 x 8GB DDR4-3600. I installed the Ryzen Master software hoping to learn the true boost frequencies of each core. I tried googling it but i only got CPU reviews (too generic of wording)

Second should i be using PBO? This Ryzen master software says enabling it will void my warranty so i got scared but i thought PBO is like the boost on Intel CPU's, in other words mainstream. I am guessing the warning on Ryzen master software is more of a legal boiler template they have to put on there.

I don't want to do full on manual over clocking but i don't want to leave performance on the table so if there is anything i can do similar to the XMP profiles on my RAM i will give it a shot.
 

Kenmitch

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Second should i be using PBO? This Ryzen master software says enabling it will void my warranty so i got scared but i thought PBO is like the boost on Intel CPU's, in other words mainstream. I am guessing the warning on Ryzen master software is more of a legal boiler template they have to put on there.

Enabling PBO with Ryzen Master doesn't really do anything for my single core boost speeds on my 3700x, but it does bump up my all core loaded boost speeds 100-150MHz depending on the application. I usually just leave it off unless I'm testing out all core load temps to get a worse case scenario.
 
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JimKiler

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Enabling PBO with Ryzen Master doesn't really do anything for my single core boost speeds on my 3700x, but it does bump up my all core loaded boost speeds 100-150MHz depending on the application. I usually just leave it off unless I'm testing out all core load temps to get a worse case scenario.

Do you use the Ryzen master software to determine speed per core? If so how do I do it?
 

JimKiler

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Here is a picture of Ryzen Master running on my 3900x. Maybe this will answer some of your questions
i guess i was looking at it wrong last night, i it obvious on yours. I will have to double check mine when i get home unless there is some sort of test i need to run before i can see the Cores section, it was late last night.
 

Kenmitch

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Do you use the Ryzen master software to determine speed per core? If so how do I do it?

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you just want to know what your cores individually boost to? If so just use something like hwinfo64 and leave it run in the background while you use your rig. It'll keep track of the highest achieved boost per core. If you want to see what your cores boost to under loads it'll show current boost per core also.
 
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Markfw

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you just want to know what your cores individually boost to? If so just use something like hwinfo64 and leave it run in the background while you use your rig. It'll keep track of the highest achieved boost per core. If you want to see what your cores boost to under loads it'll show current boost per core also.
Well, my are hard set in the bios to 4100, since I run it 24/7 100% load at that speed. (notice the 1.1v vcore) But yes, it he wants max speed that will tell him. If he wants individual speeds, then NON overclocked, Ryzen Master will tell him which core is a t what speed. Mine all just say 4100 since that is my overclock. I could try for more, but I like the vcore, and I like the temps. so I am happy
 
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JimKiler

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i guess i was looking at it wrong last night, i it obvious on yours. I will have to double check mine when i get home unless there is some sort of test i need to run before i can see the Cores section, it was late last night.
i guess i was looking at it wrong last night, i it obvious on yours. I will have to double check mine when i get home unless there is some sort of test i need to run before i can see the Cores section, it was late last night.
That worked, run Ryzen master but also run a stress test from another app.
 

Ranulf

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Anyone had good or bad luck with the Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite? It seems to be a good candidate for use now with an 8core and later with a 12core or 16core that doesn't break the bank with features I don't want.
 

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Anyone had good or bad luck with the Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite? It seems to be a good candidate for use now with an 8core and later with a 12core or 16core that doesn't break the bank with features I don't want.
dont buy anything for "later"
get b450 and when you want an upgrade, there will be another generation of CPUs much faster per clock
save/invest your money instead
I got mine msi b450 tomahawk for like 90 EUR
and dont forget that crap of x570 burns power and has a fan
 

Seba

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TL DR:
No Prime95 rounding errors with the new components, but some other issues.
Temperatures are about the same.
This Ryzen seems to not boost as high as the older one, but (so far) it is stable (at stock). But also I changed the MB.
CineBench R20 CPU multi thread score slightly lower. Single CPU score about the same.
Blender Benchmark times about the same.

Also my Windows 10 Pro (Retail/FPP) does not activate after this second hardware change.

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Long version:

I re-assembled the PC, with the new parts (a different Ryzen 5 3600 and MSI X570-A Pro). I used the stock Wraith Stealth cooler, like first time.

This X570-A Pro came with 7C37vH1 BIOS (UEFI) - oldest version available on the manufacturer's web page for this motherboard.

This old BIOS version was missing the setting for IF/memory ratio. You can only input the frequency values directly.

Another issue I found was that enabling the POST beep had no effect (no beep during POST).

First I booted with the previous Windows install (when I had the same components, except a different Ryzen 5 3600 and a MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX - which I returned because I was getting rounding errors in Prime95 Small FFTs, at stock; it probably was the CPU, but I could not completelly exclude the MB).

I left the LAN cable unplugged, to not mess the Windows activation.

Windows 10 detected the hardware changes and I went straight to Prime95. No errors. Because of the high temperatures during Prime95 stress test, I made several somewhat shorter tests (longest was 36 minutes), but with the previous Ryzen I was getting rounding errors right away.

Then I made a few tests with CineBench R20 and with Blender Benchmark. No errors, but lower scores in CineBench R20, especially in the multi-thread benchmark. About the same score in single thread.

I also did a few restarts and shutdowns. A few times the PC would not boot right away and I had to reset or power it down from the power button. These boot issues were reported by other users with MSI boards (especially with B450 boards).

I decided to flash the newest BIOS - 7C37vH4, which has 1.0.0.3ABBA.

This BIOS fixed the POST beep (now I have a beep, after I re-enabled it).
Also the IF/memory frequency ratio setting is present in this one.
There are other differences, too in the BIOS/UEFI menues and settings.

I booted the same old Windows install with this latest BIOS and Windows removed the GeForce drivers at first start, then re-installed them.

I tried a few restarts and shutdowns and all went well, so I decided to do a clean install of Windows.

I plugged the LAN cable back, inserted the USB drive with latest Windows install kit and selected it from the boot menu.

Somehow, it did not boot from the USB drive, but from the old Windows install. The old Windows installation complained something about Outlook, but I did not investigate. I shut the PC down again.

I have a retail version (FPP) of Windows 10 Pro (with an USB drive and a printed product key). This was installed first in 2017 on my old Haswell PC. Installed a second time after the upgrade to Ryzen 5 3600 (with the MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX) and now the third time.

I use a Windows 10 local account, but I have an Outlook e-mail for the MS Store and the old PC was associated with it somehow.

When I made the first hardware change (with the first Ryzen 5 3600 and MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX), I previously removed the old Haswell PC (old device) from my Microsoft account and from the MS Store. The new installation with Tomahawk MAX board activated with the same product key, with no issues.

After returning the Tomahawk MAX board and first Ryzen, I also removed this new device from my Microsoft account and Store, so I expected to work the same with the X570 board.

Going back to what happened during this installation:

I got again to the boot menu and this time it booted from the USB drive.

Towards the end of the installation process on this new MSI X570-A Pro, suddenly the screen changed colors and had a pink hue. After a few steps of the installation process, the colors/hue reverted back to normal.

When the installation finalized, Windows was not activated.

Also Welcome screen briefly had some pink hue.

I tried the activation troubleshooter's various methods, including a phone activation (with an answering machine, since it was Friday night) and all failed.

At one point, it proposed to input my Microsoft account e-mail and password. This screwed the Windows login, by changing it from a local account to a Microsoft account, but did not activate Windows.

Because of the change to a Microsoft account login, I nuked this install and started over. This time I did not had a pink tint during Windows installation. But the pink tint showed up right after first Windows start (in the desktop). At about the time when it automatically installed the GeForce drivers.

I removed the GeForce drivers with DDU (in Safe Mode), disabled Windows automatic install of drivers and then manually installed the drivers (AMD chipset drivers from AMD, LAN driver, on board audio driver and latest GeForce drivers from Nvidia for my GTX 1060 6GB).

Until I finished with the drivers, the pink tint would show up briefly during Welcome screen.

I ran Prime 95 again (Small FFTs and Blend). Longest run 1 hour 30 minutes (this was Blend). No issues.

CineBench R20 multi thread score still slightly lower than with the previous Ryzen + Tomahawk MAX, but higher that with this configuration when I booted into the old install (with drivers for previous components). Single thread score about the same in all 3 cases (old Ryzen, new Ryzen with old install and new Ryzen with new install).

Blender Benchmark scores about the same (if not slightly better).

This Ryzen seems to not boost quite as high as the previous one.

Everything in BIOS is at stock, except A-XMP memory profile (I have XMP DDR4-3200 16-18-18).

I was worried about the X570 chipset fan. On this board the chipset fan is stopped "in low load situations". So far I never seen it start. I manually started it from BIOS Hardware Monitoring (you can set all fans at maximum rpm from there), to see if it works and it does.

I do not have any PCI-E 4.0 device.

So that's about it, for now.

Monday I will try to get in touch with a human operator from Microsoft and hopefully activate my retail copy of Windows 10 Pro.

Edit:
Minor corrections.
 
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Ranulf

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dont buy anything for "later"
get b450 and when you want an upgrade, there will be another generation of CPUs much faster per clock
save/invest your money instead
I got mine msi b450 tomahawk for like 90 EUR
and dont forget that crap of x570 burns power and has a fan

Eh, my situation is not of that as a new system builder. I'm on the upgrade to last year's ryzen chips path for a lot less money. Makes for a good way to slow upgrade my desktops to all AMD over the next 1-2 years. I am not a huge fan of buying last years mobos unless going brand new and wanting to save money. I've had too many problems in the last ten years with older mobos not liking newer gpus as well as mobo feature improvements that would be nice to have. My thinking is I want to avoid having to to do a full system rebuild (almost necessary with win10 these days anyway) in less than a year.
 

Markfw

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Eh, my situation is not of that as a new system builder. I'm on the upgrade to last year's ryzen chips path for a lot less money. Makes for a good way to slow upgrade my desktops to all AMD over the next 1-2 years. I am not a huge fan of buying last years mobos unless going brand new and wanting to save money. I've had too many problems in the last ten years with older mobos not liking newer gpus as well as mobo feature improvements that would be nice to have. My thinking is I want to avoid having to to do a full system rebuild (almost necessary with win10 these days anyway) in less than a year.
There are x570 boards that are not expensive. Most all have a fan, but its not usually noisey.
 
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I won't believe it till they're on my doorstep, but I just ordered an in-stock 3900x from Amazon for $500. It should arrive on Monday. Then I ordered an in-stock ROG Strix X570-I from newegg for $260. That should be here by the end of the week. WTF
 

DrMrLordX

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@Seba

Sorry about the Win10 activation problems. Not surprised by that given the board changes. I think you can get some more boost performance if you try both the LLC and voltage offset tricks you tried with your last chip. It should definitely help your MT scores.
 
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