AMD Ryzen 3000 Builders Thread

[Hans Gruber]

Latest Asus C6H uEFI is playing crazy with my 3600. I'm not sure if she'll hold it, but I managed to make it this far with PBO. Got's to do some testing to see if she's stable and maybe drop down the PBO boost if not.

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Are you on AGESA 1.0.0.3 or 1.0.0.4?

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Not sure what videos you are watching, but the Noctua NH-D15 can easily cool a 3900X.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ceuay1/_/eu5crih

https://noctua.at/en/nh-d15/cpucomp#socket_3885_manuf_4275

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Maybe you are watching videos where they are overclocking the 3900X?

I cant find the the exact video I was referring to but its on youtube and its something like Stock vs aio vs Noctua.
Anyways the Noctua NH-D15 was getting like 72c under full load in that video while cooling the 3900x.
That leads me to believe it is barely getting the Job done and temp will only be worse with 4 more core and 8 more threads using the 3950x.
Or do you think that guy was overclocking?
Also as far as cases go, no I am not strapped for space.
I was using the Cooler Master Master Box Pro 5 RGB, but it is kinda lacking in air flow that I was looking for.
So yesterday I purchased the Cooler Master H500 which actually arrived at my front door this morning.
This new H500 is supposed to be a super high air flow case.
Now back on topic here, I am thinking about getting the Noctua NH-D15 Chromax.
DO you guys think that this will be a good option for the 3950x??

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Slightly off topic.
I know 3200 ram performs about the same a standard 3600 ram.
If I wanted to mess with ram speeds where do I do that?
Bios, increase voltage then increase ram speed or Ryzen Master?

I have 32GB Micron E Die

 

[Kenmitch]

Are you on AGESA 1.0.0.3 or 1.0.0.4?

1.0.0.3 ABBA is what it says. I don't think it's gonna be stable in the end. Maybe it's the 3733 1:1 divider? Might have to drop down to 3600 on the memory. I've gotten a few weird bsod's and some other behavior at 3733 1:1.

I did see some higher boosts, but they look to be in the crazy zone for a 3600

 

[Justinbaileyman]

What brand of ram do you have?
Usually you change the Ram multiplier in the bios, change it from 32 to 36.
Make sure to turn off XMP profile and set Dram Vcore to 1.35v.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What brand of ram do you have?
Usually you change the Ram multiplier in the bios, change it from 32 to 36.
Make sure to turn off XMP profile and set Dram Vcore to 1.35v.

Ballistic Sport LT
This exact kit

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Ballistic Sport LT
This exact kit

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Wow that is the same stuff I am using but mine are white and I have 4 sticks not 2.
Only thing I had to do was put XMP/AMP to Auto and change the Multi from 32 to 36 and I left everything else the same and it works flawlessly..
But I am also using a Gigabyte x470 Aorus gaming 7 motherboard, so it may also depend on that factor and what CPU you are trying to use it with.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Wow that is the same stuff I am using but mine are white and I have 4 sticks not 2.
Only thing I had to do was put XMP/AMP to Auto and change the Multi from 32 to 36 and I left everything else the same and it works flawlessly..
But I am also using a Gigabyte x470 Aorus gaming 7 motherboard, so it may also depend on that factor and what CPU you are trying to use it with.

I’m not familiar with the multi thing but I assume that’s the multiplier. I’ll look around in the bios
Board: x570 Steel legend asrock
3800x

As far as the memory went when I built. I was worried at first because the initial boot only showed the memory as 2400 with some ridiculous timing like 28-28-56.
After first boot I was able to go into the bios and select the proper xmp profile 3200 16-16-something I forgot.
I like how it’s basic memory, no led, not super tall and it doesn’t look like a transformer.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I hear ya , I hate all the flashiness of todays PC parts and this is the same reasons I got my Ballistix kit.
Well that and I thought the pure white pcb of the RAM looked pretty neat.
TO bad there are no AM4 or GPU PCB's that are also all white to match the theme.

 

[Chicken76]

What do you guys think, is Scythe Fuma 2 a good idea for a 3700X to improve over the noise of the stock cooler, or is it not worth it?

 

[fleshconsumed]

What do you guys think, is Scythe Fuma 2 a good idea for a 3700X to improve over the noise of the stock cooler, or is it not worth it?

Depends if you overclock your 3700X, how often you stress it to the max, and how much do you care about the noise. Stock cooler will keep stock 3700X cool enough not to throttle. Buying bigger cooler will give you lower temperatures and lower noise. Whether it's worth it or not is a personal decision. I like my computers quiet so I don't mind paying extra to get what I want.

If you're going to buy Scythe and if you don't have tall memory heatsinks, I would actually suggest Scythe Ninja 5 - same price, better cooler, it just doesn't have clearance for extra tall memory heatsinks. My Ninja 4 kept 3700X at 64C doing ffmpeg(AVX2) load while being significantly quieter than stock cooler.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

This guy is claiming he is hitting max temps of 92c with the Noctua NH-D15 Chromax cooling a 3900x on stock while stress testing??
Is he full of crap cause the Wraith Prism only hit 85-87c?

 

[UsandThem]

This guy is claiming he is hitting max temps of 92c with the Noctua NH-D15 Chromax cooling a 3900x on stock while stress testing??
Is he full of crap cause the Wraith Prism only hit 85-87c?

His results don't match what other real reviewers found. That video only has like 530 views BTW, so I wouldn't personally even be considering anything he claims. There are videos on YouTube where people claim they were abducted by aliens, so you always have to consider the source and their reliability.

My 2700X hits like 55c with my Noctua NH-D15S with my CPU fan running around 750 - 800 RPM. I just don't buy his results at all.

 

[Kenmitch]

This guy is claiming he is hitting max temps of 92c with the Noctua NH-D15 Chromax cooling a 3900x on stock while stress testing??
Is he full of crap cause the Wraith Prism only hit 85-87c?

If this was a speculation thread I'd have to go with a pea sized tim application which doesn't cut it with the 3900x.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Yeah thats what I thought. Wouldnt his cpu melt or at least his computer would throttle well before those temps to cool it self or it would just simply shut down right??

 

[Hazy24]

He says his 3900x is overclocked to 4.3ghz with 1.375 vcore (around 6 minutes in).

 

[DrMrLordX]

1.375v is much too high for any kind of meaningful MT workloads. Especially on air. Though he's probably not hitting those actual volts because vdroop.

 

[TheGiant]

well with my 3900X I observed a lot of times low 90s temps with default cooler- its crap for the heat flow density of the 7nm r3 lineup
I advise buying a good air cooler or water ofc if you like it

 

[Hans Gruber]

What is the setting in 1.0.0.3 ABBA bios to make my memory divider 1:1? Right now CPU-Z says my memory is 15-18-18-38 with 1T @1.38v It says my FSBRAM ratio is 1:16

On old systems it used to show the memory ratios in bios. I am new to the infinity Fabric stuff. I don't want to screw things up where I have to reboot the bios.

 

[Seba]

If your FSB : DRAM ratio would be 1:1 instead of 1:16, your RAM would run at 100MHz.

Probably you are thinking about Memory Clock/Infinity Fabric Clock ratio. Ryzen Master would show if you are running in coupled mode (1:1) or not. If not, look for such a setting in BIOS/UEFI.

 

[Chicken76]

Depends if you overclock your 3700X, how often you stress it to the max, and how much do you care about the noise. Stock cooler will keep stock 3700X cool enough not to throttle. Buying bigger cooler will give you lower temperatures and lower noise. Whether it's worth it or not is a personal decision. I like my computers quiet so I don't mind paying extra to get what I want.

If you're going to buy Scythe and if you don't have tall memory heatsinks, I would actually suggest Scythe Ninja 5 - same price, better cooler, it just doesn't have clearance for extra tall memory heatsinks. My Ninja 4 kept 3700X at 64C doing ffmpeg(AVX2) load while being significantly quieter than stock cooler.

Thank you for that info.

What I'm looking for is something that will be quiet at night so I can sleep in another room without closing the doors, while the computer does transcoding with Handbrake. With the stock cooler my 3700X reaches 80C, which I'm not comfortable with. Also, the ramp up and down for the stock cooler's fan is really annoying.

Regarding the memory compatibility, I think mine will fit. I have the CMK32GX4M2B3200C16 kit.
But I'm more worried about the heatsinks on the VRMs. Here's what my motherboard looks like:

Is the Ninja 5 significantly better than the Fuma 2?

 

[fleshconsumed]

Thank you for that info.

What I'm looking for is something that will be quiet at night so I can sleep in another room without closing the doors, while the computer does transcoding with Handbrake. With the stock cooler my 3700X reaches 80C, which I'm not comfortable with. Also, the ramp up and down for the stock cooler's fan is really annoying.

Regarding the memory compatibility, I think mine will fit. I have the CMK32GX4M2B3200C16 kit.
But I'm more worried about the heatsinks on the VRMs. Here's what my motherboard looks like:

Is the Ninja 5 significantly better than the Fuma 2?

It's hard to find direct comparison between Ninja 5 and Fuma 2, but Ninja 5 does have more surface area so it will perform a lot better with low speed fans which is what you want. It will also be compatible with your corsair memory kit.

Regarding VRM heatsinks, Ninja5 will also clear those VRM heatsinks. If you're worried about VRM temperatures/stability that board will do fine so long as you don't overclock and have some minimal airflow over VRMs. I actually had mATX version if your board running 1800X doing ffmpeg(handbrake) encodes for a while and the board/VRM held up just fine despite 1800X having much higher TDP than your 3700X. I do not see any issues with it running 3700X.

EDIT
Ninja 5 review

Scythe Ninja 5 CPU Cooler Review

If you like black, no noise, and don't mind not seeing much of the top half of the motherboard, the Scythe Ninja 5 is your CPU cooler.

www.tweaktown.com

Fuma 2 review

Scythe FUMA 2 CPU Cooler Review

Scythe's FUMA 2 CPU cooler gets fully examined today. Should you add it to your list of potential new coolers? Let's see.

www.tweaktown.com

Both coolers are excellent, but Ninja 5 achieves similar performance to Fuma 2, however Ninja 5 fans spin at lower RPMs.

 

[Chicken76]

It's hard to find direct comparison between Ninja 5 and Fuma 2, but Ninja 5 does have more surface area so it will perform a lot better with low speed fans which is what you want. It will also be compatible with your corsair memory kit.

Regarding VRM heatsinks, Ninja5 will also clear those VRM heatsinks. If you're worried about VRM temperatures/stability that board will do fine so long as you don't overclock and have some minimal airflow over VRMs. I actually had mATX version if your board running 1800X doing ffmpeg(handbrake) encodes for a while and the board/VRM held up just fine despite 1800X having much higher TDP than your 3700X. I do not see any issues with it running 3700X.

EDIT
Both coolers are excellent, but Ninja 5 achieves similar performance to Fuma 2, however Ninja 5 fans spin at lower RPMs.

Thank you. I'm sold.

 

[JimKiler]

quick question, if I am not overclocking my CPU, just the RAM via the XMP profiles, why is my BIOS saying my CPU voltage is 1.48 and then when i get into windows the asus AI suite fluctuates but goes between 1.33 and 1.45? Isn't that too high for someone not overclocking? In Asus AI suite i changed the VDDCR CPU Powe Phase control from optimiized to manual and dragged the slider all the way to the base which is called regular then i did the same for VDDCR Power Phase control.

 

[DrMrLordX]

@JimKiler

Might be Asus up to their old tricks again (overvolting), but voltages in that range are "normal" for ST workloads (background threads) when using Matisse. Still, voltage fluctuations that high should not be constant. I would recommend CPU-z for monitoring actual voltage in any case. Then try running some workloads that are ST and MT (try CBR20) and monitor the voltage readouts from CPU-z during the workload. Voltage readings while idle are mostly meaningless.

Also, power phase control isn't going to up your voltage. That just increases the switching frequency of the VRMs which helps with a lot of things (and makes your VRMs run hotter).