They are meant for future upgrades with higher core count CPU's such as 3900x , 3950x and what ever even higher core counts we might get for the 4000 series next summer..What good are overbuilt VRM's and motherboards if they cannot OC the CPU much beyond boost frequency?
The x570 Asrock Taichi & MSI Unify are top of my list for now. Less is known about the Unify, but it is basically a Meg Ace with a couple of features stripped, features that don’t matter to me.Outside of maybe ASRock with their $299 x570 Taichi, all the boards you would expect in that range got price-jacked to the $350 level instead. The upside is that some of those boards are arguably better than their x370 equivalents from two years ago. OEMs are starting to take AM4 a little more seriously now. The downside is, as you say, sticker shock.
Anyway, if you are not getting a C8H, MSI MEG ACE, or Aorus Master, you'd better be prepared to make some compromises on x570. Fortunately some of those compromises really aren't so bad. Main thing is to try to avoid the cheap 4-layer boards and to look for common complaints. OCN has a lot of owners' threads you can pore through as time permits (those threads are ridiculously long).
They are meant for future upgrades with higher core count CPU's such as 3900x , 3950x and what ever even higher core counts we might get for the 4000 series next summer..
Edit: Rumor has it that thread counts for the 4000 series cpu's are going to be increasing from 2 threads per core to 3 or 4 threads per core.
This will also take advantage of all those so called over built VRM's.
Meh, quality 470 boards like Strix-F can handle 3950x just fine. I doubt Zen3/4000 series will have much higher TDP than Zen2/3000 so the only issue is BIOS support for newer CPUs.They are meant for future upgrades with higher core count CPU's such as 3900x , 3950x and what ever even higher core counts we might get for the 4000 series next summer..
Edit: Rumor has it that thread counts for the 4000 series cpu's are going to be increasing from 2 threads per core to 3 or 4 threads per core.
This will also take advantage of all those so called over built VRM's.
What good are overbuilt VRM's and motherboards if they cannot OC the CPU much beyond boost frequency?
Sometimes, before switching back to the older bios, you can try different drivers for the sound cards, and many people have found a slightly older driver for the sound card worked well with a newer bios. And for the record, its not AMD. It's the mobo manufacturers. MOST of the boost problems for the new Ryzen chips is on the mobo's. This has been proven in each generation with better bios and drivers over time. Also, this isn't so uncommon with a brand new platform, as the new AMD chips are. It takes time to work out some of the kinks of a new 7nm process. Hope this helps.That's good to know. I could get mine to boot, but it took over a minute before I was on the desktop sometimes. If it's occurring on different manufacturers, does that mean AMD is at fault?
In my humble opinion it's worth upgrading to a x570 mobo, as EVERYTHING is going to be pcie4 within the next few months anyway, and by mid 2020, without it, you will feel left behind. Also, I have normally always gone with Samsung nvme drives as well, and have one in my sys right now. But I also have a new Corsair MP600 1TB in there, and it is beating the crap out of my Samsung EVO 960 on reads and writes. It's also way cheaper.There are several x570 mobos which are relatively inexpensive, and still offer you most of the great features of better vrm's, 3600mhz memory upgrades, pcie4 and wifi 6, besides better compatibility with the new Ryzen chips. Hope this helps...I look at motherboards as the heart of a system. So i only buy overbuilt, well featured boards (and I've had cheaper boards die prematurely). I also don’t upgrade often anymore. I like Asus, they have always had extremely comprehensive BIOS/UEFI. That said, when I built a a B450 MSI system for my mom, I liked it, even though the UEFI seemed to be on the simple side, but that wasn’t an overclockers board. The MSI Unify looks like a very solid board with everything I want (and it’s not blingy). Spending more than $300 for a non-HEDT seems nuts to me, particularly because Ryzen's tends to hit a wall pretty fast, unless you’re an extreme overclocker.
I didn’t look it up yet, but given the price, I expect the dram to be e-die. I don’t know if I could get myself to buy anything other than Samsung SSD.
Even though it's eating me up, I think I can wait till Black Friday (actually, doesn’t Amazon start early).
Yeah, everyone has their likes and dislikes. Personally, I never buy AsRock or MSI boards. They both have tended to have terrible bios's, and problems with upgraded peripherals. I always buy Asus or Gigabyte for mobos, and Asus more than Gigabyte, as Gigabyte has only recently upgraded their bios to be really good. In fact, I'm fighting with myself right now whether to go nuts and get the Gigabyte X570 Extreme, the Master or the Asus CH VIII Hero. I'm also waiting for Black Friday/Cyber Monday, and changing my mind everyday on which I will buy. Lol. So goes the enthusiast's life around BF.Recalculating....
PCPartPicker is going to see my IP allot the next few days. Warming up to x570. Thanks @DrMrLordX
Haven't been too keen on Asrock because several reviewers really didn’t like the UEFI.
As bios and driver software gets worked out to be better and better, the core counts, clock speeds and threads go up and up. It's happened with every other gen of Ryzen. So in the coming months, mobo manuf's will continue to release better and better bios updates, as has been in the past, and your need to cool the vrm's will become more important.What good are overbuilt VRM's and motherboards if they cannot OC the CPU much beyond boost frequency?
AT what time are the 3950x cpu's launching?? I am dead tired and starting to fall asleep but dont want to miss out!!
What good are overbuilt VRM's and motherboards if they cannot OC the CPU much beyond boost frequency?
The x570 Asrock Taichi & MSI Unify are top of my list for now. Less is known about the Unify, but it is basically a Meg Ace with a couple of features stripped, features that don’t matter to me.
Meh, quality 470 boards like Strix-F can handle 3950x just fine. I doubt Zen3/4000 series will have much higher TDP than Zen2/3000 so the only issue is BIOS support for newer CPUs.
I had the same dilemma when I snagged a 2200G (knowing I'd upgrade to Zen2 on release). I ended up cheaping out on a board and now had to replace it already when I popped in a 3600 (not even a top tier Zen2!). I now have a good B450M board, 3600, and 5700 and don't anticipate any further upgrades until at least 2021, when AMD may have moved to a new platform for mainstream.Yea I'll probably stick with my current X370 board until I am forced to update and/or capped out. That's why it was important to me to buy a high end one when the very first Ryzen processors went on the market in 2017. You can figure that some of the more niche boards will get updates sooner, if at all.
In the unlikely event that I do decide to upgrade, I may move to sTRX... even though I don't really need it.
What good are overbuilt VRM's and motherboards if they cannot OC the CPU much beyond boost frequency?
We don't know yet whether 4000 series Ryzens will be compatible with AM4. 4000G series APUs will probably be compatible.They are meant for future upgrades with higher core count CPU's such as 3900x , 3950x and what ever even higher core counts we might get for the 4000 series next summer..
Seems likely that they will, isn’t DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 due in Zen4?We don't know yet whether 4000 series Ryzens will be compatible with AM4. 4000G series APUs will probably be compatible.
What good are overbuilt VRM's and motherboards if they cannot OC the CPU much beyond boost frequency?
Yea I'll probably stick with my current X370 board until I am forced to update and/or capped out. That's why it was important to me to buy a high end one when the very first Ryzen processors went on the market in 2017. You can figure that some of the more niche boards will get updates sooner, if at all.
In the unlikely event that I do decide to upgrade, I may move to sTRX... even though I don't really need it.
I didn't really follow the Ryzen 2000 - > 3000 bios updates for existing boards scenario. But hypothetically judging by how each manufacturer handled them how would you rate them in terms of hypothetical Ryzen 4000 (Zen 3) support?
Trying to decide between more budget b450 boards at the moment (such as the Asrock B450M Pro, $60). Trying to keep it under $100 or really $75.
My original plan was to get a "higher end" ITX boards (like the Asus b450i Strix, $135) but I ended up with a 3600x (instead of 3700x/3800x) and can't really feel like spending that much on a motherboard.
It's going to be 2-3 months post-launch before the Vermeer UEFI updates roll out in force on anything older than . . . x670? Or whatever they call their next chipset, if any. Frankly I'd be shocked if they stay with x570 but they might. x570 will get first whack, followed by x370/x470 whenever the OEMs feel like it. There may be some updates earlier than that, but I would expect them to be buggy and using launch/pre-launch AGESA versions that have some major warts.
Expect headaches for a lot of people, including x570 owners. x370/x470 owners (and similar) will have it worst since those boards have to support everything released on AM4 going back to 2017 (or 2016 for boards that still support Bristol Ridge). UEFI rom size restrictions will require a lot of cutting of features and/or support. Updating to support Vermeer may take away Summit Ridge/Raven Ridge support, for example. You may also lose things like mouse support in the UEFI menu.
However, if you find a board with a large firmware rom, you may have better luck. Note that a lot of x570s also have small firmware roms. They're not necessarily going to have it any better.
I'm an old clock hound (since the PII). So currently, after I reinstall all my software (ugh*) I will be overclocking. My current plan is to see where I can get at a vCore of 1.35 volts. I used to push CPUs to the limit, but because of the hotspot issue with 7nm Ryzen - I want to be a bit more cautious.@Ajay
Good deal. 3900x should last you for awhile. I think some of the chips that have come out more-recently have been better bins than mine, too. There's folks running around with 4.4-4.5 GHz all-core OCs. Of course you don't have to OC . . . better bins will clock better @ default. Be sure to stop in once you've built your system and we might be able to help you get the most out of default mode so you don't feel the need to use PBO or anything like that. Assuming that's what you want.