No, there's no M.2 SSDs installed at all.If you are using a PCI-e SSD in the top m.2 slot, it disables the SATA ports from the SOC.
Did you add also a PCI-e SSD on the top m.2 slot?
I think I will wait 2 months or so for the bios and prices to shake out. Then go 3800X on an X570 motherboard.
Sounds like a store that just wants to die and given my experience with recent walk ins i say let it. Sadly no Micro centers near me so Frys was it outside of Best Buy if you want a actual gpu same day. Given also the closest Frys is 70 miles away, its not even worth considering any more.
Probably more to do with the BIOS problems rather than needing an absurd cooler (since Anandtech says they used the Wraith Prism cooler).Early adopters. Is it fair to say that these Zen 2 CPU's require water cooling to achieve their rated max boost speeds? I have been watching the userbenchmark scores roll in and it seems that few of the Zen 2 chips are hitting 4.4ghz eg. 3700x. Usually within 100-200mhz
Thoughts and opinions? I also realize new bios will be coming and it will probably take a month or two for AMD to iron out the release.
Certainly not.Next test, will it boot on a x370 with original bios ?
I am not betting either way, but I will let you all know. Supposed to be here tomorrow.Certainly not.
It's a sure bet that it will not work on a x370 with the original bios. The reason for several bios updates is for new CPU support.I am not betting either way, but I will let you all know. Supposed to be here tomorrow.
Early adopters. Is it fair to say that these Zen 2 CPU's require water cooling to achieve their rated max boost speeds? I have been watching the userbenchmark scores roll in and it seems that few of the Zen 2 chips are hitting 4.4ghz eg. 3700x. Usually within 100-200mhz
Thoughts and opinions? I also realize new bios will be coming and it will probably take a month or two for AMD to iron out the release.
The 3600x comes with the "wraith spire 2", which is all aluminum. The original spire has a copper vapor chamber core. The heatsinks aren't remotely the same. However, the "2" makes up for the slightly worse HS by running a much faster fan. Unfortunately, it's much noisier too.
One of the reasons I got a 3600x was curiosity about the Spire 2, but now it looks like I'll be putting a 120/92mm adapter on it and use a quiet 120mm fan instead of the noisy stock 92mm.
I hate to tell you this, and maybe this is different for you if you get an X470, but with my Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX, and my R5 3600, with the newest release BIOS F40 (with support for 3rd-Gen Ryzen CPUs), I lost my two SoC-driven (I think, they are a different color) SATA ports. The four chipset SATA ports provided by the B450 chipset work and are detected, but the SoC SATA are not found. So, either I lost a non-name Kodak (EMTEC) 512GB SATA SSD, AND an Intel 512GB 545s SATA SSD at the same time, when I powered down (which seems unlikely, especially losing the Intel just from a power-down), OR, the UEFI from Gigabyte is immature, and needs tweaking to enable the SoC SATA ports. Or maybe, the R5 3600 doesn't support the SoC SATA ports like Zeppelin (1st-Gen Ryzen CPU) does.
So, I see 8 SATA ports on X470 boards. If those are all provided by the X470 chipset, you're probably golden, but if some of those are provided by the SoC SATA ports off of the CPU, you might have issues. Or perhaps, my problem is just a Gigabyte thing. Or maybe, my R5 3600 is simply defective in a manner, or I bent a pin somehow. I haven't dis-mounted it to check, and everything else works fine, and it went in fairly easily, so I don't think that I bent any pins. (This isn't my first build rodeo, not with AM4 either.)
Edit: Yeah, the MSI Tomahawk boards are pretty awesome, if you do end up getting one of those.\
Edit: I haven't tried a physical CMOS CLEAR yet. Although, my short foray into fixed-clock OCing (tried 4.3Ghz, wouldn't go), caused my bootup to prompt me to enter setup, and my time/date was cleared, so I figure, somehow, CMOS got cleared anyways. This board seems to have a failsafe boot feature, which is nice, when you're messing with OC.
Just encounter an early adopter problem. I am using VMWare workstation 12.5.9 and a Ubuntu 19.04 VM. Was working fine on 2700x.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1835809
Probably need to grab the VM, apply the fix on another machine and transfer back.
WS Pro 15.1.0 sounds like windows 10 ? If so, it works fine. Linux appears to have a problem with the 3000 series.That's not good. Guess I'll find out Tues/Wed if there's an issue with WS Pro 15.1.0 an a 3900X, and whether I need to keep using the 2600K-based desktop for work, and wait on a patch, or not
WS Pro 15.1.0 sounds like windows 10 ? If so, it works fine. Linux appears to have a problem with the 3000 series.
WS Pro 15.1.0 sounds like windows 10 ? If so, it works fine. Linux appears to have a problem with the 3000 series.
VMWare Workstation Pro 15.1.0... and he's probably talking about *nix
Just saw this via a poster on [H] who lost his m.2 slot on a X370 board:
http://forum.gigabyte.us/thread/7169/aorus-x370-gaming-ryzen-3600
From that post: "I've got a x370 k7 with 3700x / 1700 that has the same problem. Im on F40 and the 3700x cannot see my SX8200Pro nvme drive nomatter what settings i change. Though once i put in my 1700 then it appears again :S "
Looks like the F40 bios for Gigabyte boards is no bueno. I saw the other day when looking at the updates for my Gaming K7 that it would kill the ability to use APU chips if you updated to it due to running out of space in the bios chip for the new gen chips code.
Yep, that's the problem that I've been having.So I can now boot from an SSD, if plugged in to the onboard SATA ports, but get nothing on the 2x APU SATA ports.
BIOS is definitely problematic
Early adopters. Is it fair to say that these Zen 2 CPU's require water cooling to achieve their rated max boost speeds? I have been watching the userbenchmark scores roll in and it seems that few of the Zen 2 chips are hitting 4.4ghz eg. 3700x. Usually within 100-200mhz
Thoughts and opinions? I also realize new bios will be coming and it will probably take a month or two for AMD to iron out the release.
Good to know thanks That basically brings it down to a 3600 with cooler or a 3700x on stock. The 3700x has some longevity arguments in it's favour although if I knew for sure that Zen3 was coming on AM4 I'd be hard pressed not to just go for a 3600 then 4600. All I've seen on Zen3 is that AMD said AM4 is supported through 2020, that would technically be true already purely because at least for the first half of 2020 every (non-Threadripper) AMD chip will be on AM4.
Debating whether or not to just tear the 212+ off my 2500k and use an adaptor for it, downside being of course that I couldn't repurpose the 2500k(without getting it a cooler which seems...silly ). Most likely use for it would just be as a hand me down to someone, it doesn't seem well suited to running a NAS or similar purely on power consumption.
Hopefully it won't be too much longer before we have more data points on what the 3600 needs cooling wise and where you hit diminishing returns. It'd be nice if I could get away with a budget cooler and lose practically nothing, either way though an extra $50-$70 ($35-$50US) isn't the end of the world.
*edit* Oh I forgot the other argument in the 3700x's favour. More leeway for running background processes while gaming. I'm somewhat looking forward to not having to turn programs off before running CPU intensive games, there's some I don't run at all because they're a bit bloaty and I can't be bothered turning them on and off constantly. The power monitoring software from my PSU is a big culprit there. That and I'm terrible for leaving 50+ tabs open...... >_<
Tech Yes City did a vid, CLC AIO not needed.
I have the budget hero Gammaxx 400 that will be tried with the 3600.
How does that cooler stack up against the Wraith Prism? I haven't seen any direct benchmarks (there probably are some, just haven't found them). Of course, the 3600 does not ship with Wraith Prism . . .