AMD Ryzen 3000 Builders Thread

[DrMrLordX]

Theres a good chance that wasnt so much a design feature, and more towards a product of the manufacturing. My assumption is the heat spreaders are stamped out of sheets, and the forming of the lip caused the center to bow slightly. They probably just do a better job nowadays on the manufacture of the IHS.

Probably. AMD never had the problem, either. In was just certain Intel chips, mostly from the Core2 era.

I've noticed another change in the Matisse heatspreader: it has a letter "c" stamped into the metal. Even if you lap down to copper, the letter is still there. The nickel is least thick on that stamping point. Did Pinnacle Ridge have that? I don't remember it on my 1800x.

 

[EXCellR8]

Having a 'WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR' BSOD on my system now. Thought it was OC related but I think it might have something to do with my sound card, which became unusable after the BIOS flash and CPU upgrade for some reason.

I know Creative drivers can be hit or miss, especially on Windows 10 for older devices, so I am considering a new one. The existing one is a Sound Blaster Z which was previously working fine.

[EDIT]: BSOD definitely caused by sound card drivers... switching to onboard sound chipset works fine.

 

[chrisjames61]

I bought a R5 3600 this week. Had to decide what motherboard to pop it in. Decided against my MSI X370 Gaming Titanium. Tried it in my X370 Tai Chi first. Hung at the POST screen even with the latest BIOS revision. Then I moved on to my Crosshair VI Hero and it seems to be working fine albeit it has only been ten minutes.

 

[Kenmitch]

Theres a good chance that wasnt so much a design feature, and more towards a product of the manufacturing. My assumption is the heat spreaders are stamped out of sheets, and the forming of the lip caused the center to bow slightly. They probably just do a better job nowadays on the manufacture of the IHS.

One of the Ryzen 3xxx reviews mentioned their heat spreader was concaved in the middle. Read so many I have no idea which one it was.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Haven't ordered anything yet ... but looking to upgrade my old secondary box.

-- Ryzen 3600
-- MSI b450 Tomahawk mobo
-- 2 x 8gb decent DDR4 <> not sure exactly what ram yet
-- New 1tb SATA SSD Samsung EVO or thereabouts (I know m.2 is good, but, I prefer SATA for flexibility/backwards compatibility)
-- Sanoxy PS2 Keyboard to USB port adaptor (arleady have 1 of these same adaptors on my other PC which also was missing the ps2 port)


(Keeping Radeon 290, PC Power & Cooling Power Supply, Rosewill Thor case, IBM Model M keyboard)


Will be sticking old mobo, I5-2400, 8gb ddr3, Raptor 10K drive in an old case with an old geforce 960 and upgrading a friend from his $5 "goodwill" computer to something with a halfway decent GPU

I believe MSI can be flashed without an older AM4 CPU, but, we have a ryzen 2600 in wife's pc I can borrow if I have complications flashing bios without a CPU installed

 

[Chaoticlusts]

-- MSI b450 Tomahawk mobo

It's probably worth waiting for the b450 Tomahawk Max to hit the market, some people have apparently gotten them (in Singapore I believe) so they should be around pretty soon. The only difference is the 32MB bios but that means you don't lose overclocking profiles and fan curves which the 16MB lite bios cut and you also avoid any potential future issues with Zen 3 if it's on AM4 since I assume that's going to stretch these limits even further unless they branch the bios for different cpu support but that's not happening with Zen 2 so no guarantee it would with 3.

 

[Seba]

The only difference is the 32MB bios

And they charge you 20% more for that.

 

[Chaoticlusts]

And they charge you 20% more for that.

Must vary a lot country to country cause in Australia the difference between Tomahawk's and preorders for Tomahawk Max's is $10AUD(about $7US) which is a 6% increase.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

You have to ask yourself the question: when 4th gen gets released are they more likely to update the BIOS of the 16MB original or the 32MB MAX?
If I have to pay £10 extra for not having to a) flash the BIOS myself before use, and b) worry about future upgrade options, then to me it is a price worth paying.
I'd much rather they gave the Carbon AC the MAX treatment though.

 

[Seba]

I ask a different question:

AMD announced that AM4 will be a long-term platform, supporting multiple generation of Zen processors.

Knowing this, why did the motherboard manufacturers skimped on a very cheap part which limits the CPU upgrades, forcing the end-users to replace the MB for newer CPUs, as if the socket changed?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Knowing this, why did the motherboard manufacturers skimped on a very cheap part which limits the CPU upgrades, forcing the end-users to replace the MB for newer CPUs, as if the socket changed?

Your question answers itself. Money. Reducing the BIOS chip size reduces BoM and increases end-user incentive to upgrade to new boards in the future.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

If a socket lasts 4 generations then for many that is only 1 mobo purchase instead of the 2 you'd need on a socket lasting 2 generations.
AMD's AM4 promise/commitment isn't necessarily in the best interests of mobo manufacturers. That being said, AMD's chiplet design allows quicker to market changes to CPU features, which is in the interests of mobo manufacturers; DDR5 may well need a new socket, and the chiplet design allows easier changes to the IMC without having to release a wholly new Ryzen gen.

 

[DisEnchantment]

You’ve got 25 mm fans there and several manufacturers make 15 mm fans.

In this case....Get a new case.

If you loved your case it would be in your sig.

I would either remove those fans or use much smaller ones .

Those fans are from the water radiator. He can't just remove them.

But the real issue is the case.

@DisEnchantment I would just get a new mini ITX case to be honest. There's not a whole lot of room in there to breathe, there are quite a few on the market that can easily handle a 240mm radiator without any complications.

Thanks for the many replies,
I plan to mount the AIO vertically, would the Corsair H110i be able to operate vertically on the front mount? If not then I will have to get a new case.

Another question, would my Corsair 550W PSU be a bottleneck for Gigabyte Aorus X570 Elite to power the 3900X properly?

 

[DrMrLordX]

I plan to mount the AIO vertically, would the Corsair H110i be able to operate vertically on the front mount? If not then I will have to get a new case.

It should. Just be aware that you want to reduce the tension on your tubing. Changing to a vertical mount may mean re-orienting the block.

Another question, would my Corsair 550W PSU be a bottleneck for Gigabyte Aorus X570 Elite to power the 3900X properly?

What dGPU are you using? I can't see from the pic. In any case, it looks like the board only features 1x8pin CPU power connector, so it's not going to feed all that much power to the socket. Your 550W PSU should be fine.

 

[lopri]

Against my better judgment I flashed the BIOS to F4g, and it is exactly how I remember. Lower temp, lower (and inconsistent) performance. Currently max temp under Prime95 LargeFFT is below 65C.

Ryzen Master shows exactly the same power limits parameters, and there is absolutely no indication as to what is happening. This looks very much like what ASUS pulled off in the stilt's discovery. By Gigabyte. BIOS F3 is what the board shipped with (AGESA 1003), and BIOS F4g is the day 1 update (AGESA 1003AB).

https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1728758-strictly-technical-matisse-not-really.html

 

[Raduque]

C2D E6750.

I pretty much skipped the Pentium 4 entirely. Stuck with AMD's Athlon XPs right up till the Core2 arch. I bought an E6300 shortly (month or so) after release and stuck it in an Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 and immediately overclocked it to 2.83ghz from day one and it ran like that till I retired it in 2012.

Hadn't seen an overclock like that since I pin-modded a Pentium M 735 to 2.26ghz!

 

[lopri]

Conroe was great. Two of my personal records are held by an E2140 (150% OC) and an E2160 (100% OC).

 

[VirtualLarry]

Conroe was great. Two of my personal records are held by an E2140 (150% OC) and an E2160 (100% OC).

That's what I did too, when I jumped into Core2. Bought myself a pair of decent mobos, Gigabyte P35-DS3Rs, and built mostly duplicate rigs, both with highly-overclocked E2140 Pentium Dual-Core CPUs. Was a great time to be an enthusiast. Those eventually got replaced by Q9300 quad-cores.

 

[DisEnchantment]

It should. Just be aware that you want to reduce the tension on your tubing. Changing to a vertical mount may mean re-orienting the block.



What dGPU are you using? I can't see from the pic. In any case, it looks like the board only features 1x8pin CPU power connector, so it's not going to feed all that much power to the socket. Your 550W PSU should be fine.

I use an RX480 GTR, Planning to get a high end Compute strong card, A Radeon VII successor or something,

Anyway, it is too much headache to bother, so I just went ahead and got the Aorus X570 Pro instead of Aorus X570 Elite and got the 750 Seasonic Gold+ Supply.

Now I have ordered all the parts.

Aorus X570 Pro
4x Trident Z 3200 CL16 8GB
R9 3900X
750W Seasonic Gold+
Corsair H110i 280mm AIO (Old one)
Corsair Carbide 270R (Old one, If the AIO does not fit I will get a beQuiet Silent 800)
XFX RX480 GTR (Old one, Will replace with some new Radeon RX big something, I mainly work on my personal PC, but hopefully something I can play that can fully utilize the 1440p/144 Hz Acer XF270HU Display )
A bunch of Corsair AF140 and SP120 LED fans

The only problem is that the 3900X will not ship until 2.5 weeks later from Mindfactory.de. I will stick my 1700X and wait.

I am wondering if I need to reinstall everything after I get my 3900X

 

[VirtualLarry]

I am wondering if I need to reinstall everything after I get my 3900X

Applications? Probably not. Drivers? Well, whatever doesn't get re-installed automatically, yes.

When I dropped my R5 3600 into my existing R5 1600's and R7 2700's installation, the CPU, SoC, PCI-E root ports, USB XHCIs, etc., everything changed from the top-down, and thus, everything attached (plugged into PCI-E or USB) had to be re-detected/enumerated/installed. Took a few minutes, and my screen looked like garbage for a while. Had to switch HDMI inputs on my TV back and forth a few times to clear it up and make it readable.

 

[Raduque]

Applications? Probably not. Drivers? Well, whatever doesn't get re-installed automatically, yes.

When I dropped my R5 3600 into my existing R5 1600's and R7 2700's installation, the CPU, SoC, PCI-E root ports, USB XHCIs, etc., everything changed from the top-down, and thus, everything attached (plugged into PCI-E or USB) had to be re-detected/enumerated/installed. Took a few minutes, and my screen looked like garbage for a while. Had to switch HDMI inputs on my TV back and forth a few times to clear it up and make it readable.

Maybe that depends on your motherboard? My system did not do any of that (or it did it in the background during boot, maybe) when I swapped my R5 1400 to an R5 3600. I did install the latest AMD chipset and GPU drivers (running an RX580) afterwards though.

 

[Kenmitch]

I use an RX480 GTR, Planning to get a high end Compute strong card, A Radeon VII successor or something,

Anyway, it is too much headache to bother, so I just went ahead and got the Aorus X570 Pro instead of Aorus X570 Elite and got the 750 Seasonic Gold+ Supply.

Now I have ordered all the parts.

Aorus X570 Pro
4x Trident Z 3200 CL16 8GB
R9 3900X
750W Seasonic Gold+
Corsair H110i 280mm AIO (Old one)
Corsair Carbide 270R (Old one, If the AIO does not fit I will get a beQuiet Silent 800)
XFX RX480 GTR (Old one, Will replace with some new Radeon RX big something, I mainly work on my personal PC, but hopefully something I can play that can fully utilize the 1440p/144 Hz Acer XF270HU Display )
A bunch of Corsair AF140 and SP120 LED fans

The only problem is that the 3900X will not ship until 2.5 weeks later from Mindfactory.de. I will stick my 1700X and wait.

I am wondering if I need to reinstall everything after I get my 3900X

Looking at the Corsair website for your current case they do show a AIO cooler mounted vertically. Not sure what Hxxx it is, but it doesn't look like they're would be any issues.

As far as the reinstall everything goes? Your gonna build with the 1700x while you wait for the 3900x? I doubt I'd be comfortable with just swapping the cpu and letting my OS figure it out. It might work fine, but it might not be optimal. I tend to lean on the side of caution and just reinstall the OS so I don't have to even think about it. My 1st OS install on a new rig is just for playing around and finding out the do's and don'ts of the platform. Once I get a feel of what works best for me I'll just reload my OS and be done with it.

 

[IEC]

I use an RX480 GTR, Planning to get a high end Compute strong card, A Radeon VII successor or something,

Anyway, it is too much headache to bother, so I just went ahead and got the Aorus X570 Pro instead of Aorus X570 Elite and got the 750 Seasonic Gold+ Supply.

Now I have ordered all the parts.

Aorus X570 Pro
4x Trident Z 3200 CL16 8GB
R9 3900X
750W Seasonic Gold+
Corsair H110i 280mm AIO (Old one)
Corsair Carbide 270R (Old one, If the AIO does not fit I will get a beQuiet Silent 800)
XFX RX480 GTR (Old one, Will replace with some new Radeon RX big something, I mainly work on my personal PC, but hopefully something I can play that can fully utilize the 1440p/144 Hz Acer XF270HU Display )
A bunch of Corsair AF140 and SP120 LED fans

The only problem is that the 3900X will not ship until 2.5 weeks later from Mindfactory.de. I will stick my 1700X and wait.

I am wondering if I need to reinstall everything after I get my 3900X

Unless they changed something (I've seen some reports of Ryzen 1000 series parts working on early BIOSes) X570 doesn't support 1st gen Ryzen parts like the 1700X. So you do not have the option of running your 1700X in the interim.
https://www.techspot.com/news/80288-amd-x570-chipset-wont-support-first-generation-ryzen.html

 

[DisEnchantment]

Whoops, you are right

From Gigabyte Website

AMD Socket AM4, support for: 3rd Generation AMD Ryzen™ processors/ 2nd Generation AMD Ryzen™ processors/ 2nd Generation AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics processors/ AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics processors

So I will just have to leave everything in the box, until the 3900X arrives
But I am really getting itchy, between the 1700X segfault, the +20 degrees Temperature offset driving up the fans, the slower single thread speed on Qemu (My work laptop is faster than the my 1700X in Qemu ) ... I cannot wait

 

[Kenmitch]

Whoops, you are right

From Gigabyte Website



So I will just have to leave everything in the box, until the 3900X arrives
But I am really getting itchy, between the 1700X segfault, the +20 degrees Temperature offset driving up the fans, the slower single thread speed on Qemu (My work laptop is faster than the my 1700X in Qemu ) ... I cannot wait

That blows! I forgot about that no go 1xxx series.

If you know anybody local that has upgraded from the 2xxx to 3xxx series maybe you can borrow their 2xxx so at least you can test your new stuff out. I guess there's always the take advantage of a no questions asked vendors return policy, if one's into that sort of thing.