AMD Ryzen 3000 Builders Thread

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I had issues w/ the Ryzen power plan and shut-downs & sleeping. Went to the Windows plan and fixed it all.

 

[Makaveli]

MSI MPG x570 GAMER EDGE WIFI - received yesterday.

Some obvious issues with BIOS - 7C37v16 Release Date 2019-11-07
1 laggy response -
2. Freezing Win10 on shutdown and corrupting W10 if you use Ryzen Master
3 RGB not working - ( thats OK with me )
4. Tweaking BIOS for DDR4 ( Default CPU timings for Ryzen 3800x )
---- will drop previous timings - unable to duplicate previous overclocks
( requiring to swap DDR sets to " re-set " memory timings in BIOS.

That being normal for the new UEFI BIOS motherboards ?
Because, I had the same issues with a ASUS x470 PRIME PRO.

Using XMP DDR4 4000 is NOT 2000 Mhz - ( 1000 Mhz only )
( BIOS see it as XMP 4000 but only 1000Mhz in CPU-z)
So clock your DDR to 3800 ( 1800 Mhz )

My DDR4 = Gskil F4-4000C19D-32GTZR
Trident Z RGB - DDR4-4000MHz CL19-19-19-39 1.35V - 32GB (2x16GB)
( the RGB lighting control software not working - cant turn OFF or change color )

I attached screenshot of my current P95 testing.

3800x currently using DEFAULTS
and cooling on AIR ( maxed 92C min 32C on P95 - see screenshot )

3Dmark over 10k on Time Spy
( ASUS STRIX GFORCE RTX GAMING 2070 - core 2040 mem 14600 )
View attachment 15781

1. that maybe an issue with your board go down a bios version and recheck it.
2. Odd also I have no issues with ryzen master is this a brand new windows install?
3. Gskill has a seperate app for their memory try that. I have no issues with Gskill working with Aura sync on my Asus board.
4. Just use the DOCP profile for your memory


Your temps are high at 92c

 

[Noid]

1. that maybe an issue with your board go down a bios version and recheck it.
2. Odd also I have no issues with ryzen master is this a brand new windows install?
3. Gskill has a seperate app for their memory try that. I have no issues with Gskill working with Aura sync on my Asus board.
4. Just use the DOCP profile for your memory


Your temps are high at 92c

1. BIOS up to date - )( not the new Beta )
2. My W10 Pro is a free upgrade I applied last week
( Not a clean Install )
3. I will try a re-install.
4. DOCP ( XMP ) = 1000Mhz @ DDR4000 - you did not see?
Currently @ DDR 3800 for 1900 Mhz

Anyway I have just completed 10 hours of P95. ( I'm Ok again )

My experiences with BIOS on my last 2 MB's have been terrible.
( ASUS and MSI )

I don't understand why they are using this laggy, buggy BIOS.
( despite having all the OC timings available - they are NOT OC friendly )

I am not sure if I will be OCing the CPU - the BIOS may be using to much voltage
( tired of the buggy BIOS )

The true Temps are only available in BIOS
I am using CORE TEMP 1.15.1
32 C at Idle - thats what I want. ( not bad for 105 watts using a Noctua NHD15 )
The BIOS is handling the CPU temp in BIOS - ( all on auto )


BTW - I only see the MB chipset fan rotate on boot-up
( it has never been hot enough to " kick in " - yet

 

[Noid]

I have attached the RGB installer failure.
It apparently has a conflict with the AURA used for my Gforce 2060.

WTF

I will remove AURA. - and try again


I uninstalled all the ASUS and MSI
( ENE HAL )
But, the files and folders remained - manually deleted all now.

Still the same error.
Is it looking at the ---- ENE.sys in the
C:\Windows\System32\drivers
folder ?

[ ene.sys --- 19.5kb --- created Dec 28, 2019 ]

{Edit}
renamed ene.sys - rebooted
Same installer error and failure.
I give up - I cant find the " version " that is is failing this install.

[ final edit ]

Got it working now.

Gskill - fix

I did the above.
The easy way is browse cache folder and search for the file names.
( some files were found in folders not listed )
Then ran CC leaner AGAIN - then hard Reboot.
Install again.

However I have not found out if it will conflict my AURA for for VC.
( the VC is " holding " my previous color setting even thou the software is uninstalled . )

 

[Ajay]

Hmm! My MT score actually went up about 300 points that way. Actually one time I got a 7600 but I haven't replicated that. Maybe try different offsets? It does run a lot cooler though.

From reading a bunch of OCing posts, AGESA 1.0.0.4 kind of sucks. It has better OOTB boost characteristics and base performance, but is much more fussy when overclocking. Not sure that I want to go back to 1.0.0.3AAB though.

Edit to add: Switched to 'Mode 5 (LLC)' and I'm stable and CB 20 went up to 7250.

 

[Ajay]

1. BIOS up to date - )( not the new Beta )
2. My W10 Pro is a free upgrade I applied last week
( Not a clean Install )
3. I will try a re-install.
4. DOCP ( XMP ) = 1000Mhz @ DDR4000 - you did not see?
Currently @ DDR 3800 for 1800 Mhz

Anyway I have just completed 10 hours of P95. ( I'm Ok again )

My experiences with BIOS on my last 2 MB's have been terrible.
( ASUS and MSI )

I don't understand why they are using this laggy, buggy BIOS.
( despite having all the OC timings available - they are NOT OC friendly )

I am not sure if I will be OCing the CPU - the BIOS may be using to much voltage
( tired of the buggy BIOS )

The true Temps are only available in BIOS
I am using CORE TEMP 1.15.1
32 C at Idle - thats what I want. ( not bad for 105 watts using a Noctua NHD15 )
The BIOS is handling the CPU temp in BIOS - ( all on auto )


BTW - I only see the MB chipset fan rotate on boot-up
( it has never been hot enough to " kick in " - yet

MSI UEFI UI is laggy. Get everything settled b/4 overclocking. I manually set my DRAM clocks and timings without issue (Try using the Ryzen DRAM calculator).
DDR4 3800 should be 1900MHz, which is the highest that FClock will go and still be 1:1 - trying bumping that down to DDR4 3600 for now and see were that gets you.

Anyway, set all your hardware to defaults - clean install you OS and main apps - then try tweaking you dram and CPU settings. You need a fresh start before we can start ruling out issues.

 

[DrMrLordX]

That being normal for the new UEFI BIOS motherboards ?

No. My Aorus Master hasn't exhibited those problems.

Using XMP DDR4 4000 is NOT 2000 Mhz - ( 1000 Mhz only )

XMP for anything above DDR4-3600 or so will be problematic on Matisse CPUs. You probably won't get 1:1 RAM/IF ratio. Ryzen Memory Calculator will be your best bet here.

From reading a bunch of OCing posts, AGESA 1.0.0.4 kind of sucks.

You kind of need it for the 3950x. I've stuck with a mature 1.0.0.3ABBA UEFI revision on my 3900x since it works so well. Why rock the boat? I score over 7400 in CBR20 MT using low LLC/offsets, and there's no way I'm upgrading to 1.0.0.4 just to lose that.

 

[Noid]

" XMP for anything above DDR4-3600 or so will be problematic on Matisse CPUs. You probably won't get 1:1 RAM/IF ratio. Ryzen Memory Calculator will be your best bet here. "

I fixed my typo. ( 1900 Mhz )
IF is AUTO.

Does CPU-Z show IF ? ( i dont see it )

 

[Markfw]

You need to set ram at 3600, then IF will be 1800 at 1:1. Use as low a timings at 3600 as you can.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Does CPU-Z show IF ? ( i dont see it )

Should be your NB frequency. Like this:



Yours is running an NB frequency (IF) of only 1000 MHz. Bad for performance.

 

[Noid]

Yours is running an NB frequency (IF) of only 1000 MHz. Bad for performance.

I can not expect to reach your timing with 2 x 16 = 32 GB.
And my system IS at 1800 IF.

I changed my CR to T2 which gave me CL 19. ( with AUTO )

Anything lower than CL 20 at 1T -- or --- CL 19 at 2T corrupts windows.
( I had to restore from image and swap DDR set again )

The DRR arrived last week from Amazon - I may return it.

 

[Ajay]

I can not expect to reach your timing with 2 x 16 = 32 GB.
And my system IS at 1800 IF.

I changed my CR to T2 which gave me CL 19. ( with AUTO )

Anything lower than CL 20 at 1T -- or --- CL 19 at 2T corrupts windows.
( I had to restore from image and swap DDR set again )

The DRR arrived last week from Amazon - I may return it.

Yeah, the sweet spot for aggressive timings is 16GB. 20T @ CR 1 is pretty awful though.

 

[Noid]

Did some googling on timings.
I was able to boot and test with CL 16 at T1

I dont understand why the timings are so difficult to achieve without corruption in W10.

So, yeah I tried CL 19 - 18 - 17 .. all corrupted Win10.

15 15 15 25 gave me 16 15 15 25 85 at 1T with NO corruption and running P95 currently.

The BIOS confuses me with 2 places in BIOS to adjust DDR timing.
( Settings Icon --- and Overclock Icon - both contain all DDR timing )
The Settings Icon buries - AMD Overclocking in the Menu with a OC warning to accept )
The Overclocking Icon has deeper DR settings with no warnings.
( I believe this is why this BIOS is Borked )

There is VERY LITTLE difference in performance gains in benchmarks from 3800 to 3600.
( Only a few Points more in CB20, Final Fantasy, and 3Dmark. )

Hardly worth all the problems I had with Win10 and BIOS lockups.

[ 1/17/20 EDIT ]

Time Spy Results
Better than 90%
3800X boosted to 4.5
( from 3.9 on AUTO everything on the CPU in BIOS )

I ran the wrong P95 test before sleeping.
Blend test completed in 1 hr 44 minutes

 

[DrMrLordX]

And my system IS at 1800 IF.

Your later screenshots show that it is, but the first one showed 950 MHz.

In any case, your current speed/timing seem pretty good. Probably not worth it to push for more.

 

[Noid]

Your later screenshots show that it is, but the first one showed 950 MHz.

In any case, your current speed/timing seem pretty good. Probably not worth it to push for more.

I'm not touching this BIOS for a LONG time ....
P95 10 hrs OK
Found a better temp monitor ( HWiNFO64 )
.. and what seems to be a nice stress tester ( OCCT )

You can see that my MAX temp is 79.8 on full load now.
( along with TONS of temp monitors listed )

121 watts pulled at full load at this moment ... and yet cooled on AIR nicely.
My computer is closed up now also, at ambient temp of 76F.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I ordered a DDR4 16GB 2 x 8GB 3600mhz memory kit. If I can get the timings to 16-17-17-34 (1T). Would that be good enough for 3600mhz? If I could get those timings @ 3733mhz would that be good enough? Do most here run their Ryzen 3000 CPU's @ 3733mhz or 3600mhz?

 

[Ajay]

I ordered a DDR4 16GB 2 x 8GB 3600mhz memory kit. If I can get the timings to 16-17-17-34 (1T). Would that be good enough for 3600mhz? If I could get those timings @ 3733mhz would that be good enough? Do most here run their Ryzen 3000 CPU's @ 3733mhz or 3600mhz?

What sticks do you have?

 

[Hans Gruber]

What sticks do you have?

It will be this kit but I didn't get them from newegg. I got them from Adata for $70

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

My research shows they should be Samsung D-die sticks.

 

[Kenmitch]

Do most here run their Ryzen 3000 CPU's @ 3733mhz or 3600mhz?

I have mine running at 3600 MHz CL14 (1T) at 1.45v's. It's the G.Skill Flare X 16 GB 3200 MHz CL14 1.35v kit.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I have mine running at 3600 MHz CL14 (1T) at 1.45v's. It's the G.Skill Flare X 16 GB 3200 MHz CL14 1.35v kit.

But that is B-Die. I can't afford that kind of ram.

 

[Makaveli]

But that is B-Die. I can't afford that kind of ram.

B-Die is the best ram for ryzen your results with vary with everything else.

If budget is a concern just find the best 3600 Cas 16 kit you can afford.

 

[Kenmitch]

But that is B-Die. I can't afford that kind of ram.

You never mentioned a price point when you asked the question.

It's somewhat pricey at the stock configuration, but at 3600 MHz CL14 it's a bargain.

 

[Makaveli]

You never mentioned a price point when you asked the question.

It's somewhat pricey at the stock configuration, but at 3600 MHz CL14 it's a bargain.

3600 at CL14 will be more expensive than CL16 so not sure I would call that a bargain.

 

[DrMrLordX]

My research shows they should be Samsung D-die sticks.

Been awhile since I saw someone try overclocking on Samsung d-die, and I don't think I've ever heard of it being in RAM binned that high. Should be interesting. Be sure to use Thaiphoon Burner when you get the RAM to confirm what's inside.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yeah, a friend of mine sent me that kit, on ebay, from "adata_usa" (presumably factory-direct), for $69.99 (*plus tax, if applicable). Not too shabby, really. Looked pretty neat as far as heatspreaders go too.

I think Newegg currently has the GSKill TridentZ RGB DDR4-3600 ("for AMD") model in a 16GB (2x8GB) kit for $89.99 (or maybe that was the 3200 kit?)

I have two of the latter kits in my rig with a Ryzen R5 3600 on an Asus B450-F ROG STRIX board. Interestingly, although the board is now listed on their site as "Ryzen 3000 Ready", detailed specs only list DRAM speeds up to 3466, not 3600. I'm running @ 3600 (XMP, with both kits, using "DOCP" setting in Asus BIOS), and 1800 FCLK to match.

Still, I have freezes about once every month or so, requiring hardware RESET button to be pushed. Not sure why, I really "push" my system, and I've got two fairly beefy GPUs (an RX 5700 and a GTX 1600ti Gaming X model), I do some mining in the background while web browsing and Skype.