but the thing is, the 3900X will beat the crap out of the 1920X on a cheaper platform, using modern I/O and a lot less power. I find the $100 extra quite a steal, actually.
but the thing is, the 3900X will beat the crap out of the 1920X on a cheaper platform, using modern I/O and a lot less power. I find the $100 extra quite a steal, actually.I think its great as it is and you can see it both ways:
- it is disruptive, because 12C Ryzen is less than half the price of 9920x
- it is not, because you could buy AMD´s own discounted 12C 1920x TR for about 400. Not to mention there was 32C TR at price of 18C CoreX last year already, or 8C first gen Ryzen at launch at half the price of 8C Broadwell 6900K. I mean, it is not any more disruptive than those were.
I believe they might be keeping 16C part for next year (Ryzen 4000 series), after all they increased the core count on mainstream plafform by 4 cores now... another 4 cores might come next year. It is not like Intel is gonna to anwer that.
I am sort of happy they did not reveal it now, cause i would have itch to sell my 7940x and get that, LOL. So i will save money this way.
BTW, if they say 3900x has 3,8 base clock and 4,6 boost, does it mean 4,6GHz boost on all cores or not?
Basically every CPU will be disappointing for a gamer on a 9900K that's coming out in the next 2 years, what exactly is the point of this hysterical depression some people have because AMD is not giving their CPUs away for free? (rhetorical question, not aimed at you, of course )It's disappointing if you, for some reason I'll never understand, took those "leaks" to be realistic. Looking at it with no preconceived ideas of what Zen 2 should be and I think it looks disruptive for HEDT, again. If you are a gamer with a 9700K/9900K then it may be disappointing.
Personally, I'm impressed that they're meeting Intel in performance with lower clock rates and lower power. That's what sells in data center (unless you run AVX512 code).
I assume you actually meant the 3700X but instead of a few hundred MHz there is a few %s of extra IPCSo, among those unimpressed with Zen2, how many of you would buy a 2750X with 4.15Ghz base clocks and 5Ghz turbo for $329?
Are you sure Zen2's ability to boost to high clocks is going to be all about thermals?All you should need to do to get a 3900x (for example) to boost outside of its 105W range is to enable XFR. Then it's down to cooling and the boost map. Not sure how far a 2700x will go, but I'm pretty sure XFR can take it at least as high as 140W power usage (instead of the 105W typical of a 2700x). The 9900k is a bit goofy since it can go all the way to 210W via PL2. Not sure if XFR will go that far.
Basically every CPU will be disappointing for a gamer on a 9900K that's coming out in the next 2 years, what exactly is the point of this hysterical depression some people have because AMD is not giving their CPUs away for free? (rhetorical question, not aimed at you, of course )
I think if I'd just dropped $500 on a 9900K six months ago, I'd be breathing a big sigh of relief that my CPU is now only obsolete from an economic perspective and not a performance perspective.
For jaded consumers that just look at the prices this may be disappointing. But going by the specs it definitely isn't:
There are other changes like double L3 cache size and other improvements that will have to be tested how much they improve specific applications.
- more cores again at the price levels of Ryzen gen 1
- up to 15% more IPC
- up to double the FPU performance
- generally higher frequencies
- lower power consumption
- double the bandwidth with PCIe 4
If that's disappointing (what did they think of all the Intel years?) then one may want to wait for Zen 3.
So the 3800x is $100 less than the 9900k at $400 (its supposed competitor) and the 3900x is $500 competing with the $1200 9920x. and you think they struck out on price ????I do not think that these improvements are disappointing!
It is a new generation of processors, this is how progress should look like!
What is dissapointing is that AMD struck just once, they could have double struck with price too! And while the level of performance of 12 and 16 core desktop processor is itself very impressive, the impact just fades away when you realise that you are not only getting the performance of two processors in one, but also paying for it as if you were buying two processors!
I think if I'd just dropped $500 on a 9900K six months ago, I'd be breathing a big sigh of relief that my CPU is now only obsolete from an economic perspective and not a performance perspective.
What is dissapointing is that AMD struck just once, they could have double struck with price too! And while the level of performance of 12 and 16 core desktop processor is itself very impressive, the impact just fades away when you realise that you are not only getting the performance of two processors in one, but also paying for it as if you were buying two processors!
What is dissapointing is that AMD struck just once, they could have double struck with price too! And while the level of performance of 12 and 16 core desktop processor is itself very impressive, the impact just fades away when you realise that you are not only getting the performance of two processors in one, but also paying for it as if you were buying two processors!
I do not think that these improvements are disappointing!
It is a new generation of processors, this is how progress should look like!
What is dissapointing is that AMD struck just once, they could have double struck with price too! And while the level of performance of 12 and 16 core desktop processor is itself very impressive, the impact just fades away when you realise that you are not only getting the performance of two processors in one, but also paying for it as if you were buying two processors!
So the 3800x is $100 less than the 9900k at $400 (its supposed competitor) and the 3900x is $500 competing with the $1200 9920x. and you think they struck out on price ????
AMD isn't a charity. In order to compete with Intel, AMD needs the R&D $$s to do so. They also have to keep their investors satisfied. This is just silly talk. Ryzen 3000 series are going to fly off the shelves at these prices.
Not sure whether you are serious or not. You are getting better performance than Intel 12 core CPU at $1100 for less than half the price. Premium products will command premium price whether it's from AMD, Intel or NVidia.