AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

[CatMerc]

I see, thanks for that.

Then I'm falling back to my previous thought, which is the frame pacing algorithm not working well with the power management system, which would require a driver update.

 

[Shivansps]

Ill have to eat my words there, i double checked the A10-9700 and yes, it has dynamic memory up to 2GB, regardless of what you set in the bios.

GTA V can detect this, and GPU-Z and informs the correct amount of memory used, both static and dynamic.

Not sure when they added this.

 

[Nimrael]

There is no way the 2200G will offer better gaming experience than a 1050 paired wth a lower cpu.

AMD's iGPU on G-APU's will barely compete even 1030, due to the weak memory performance compared even to the 1030's 64bit GDDR5 bus.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Ill have to eat my words there, i double checked the A10-9700 and yes, it has dynamic memory up to 2GB, regardless of what you set in the bios.

GTA V can detect this, and GPU-Z and informs the correct amount of memory used, both static and dynamic.

Not sure when they added this.

The default allocation is usually 768MB. The amount you set in the BIOS is just the minimum reserved for use, the driver can dynamically allocate the full amount (2GB), but it can't go under the reserved amount. I think this goes all the way back to Llano/Brazos.

 

[prtskg]

I mean if AMD are going to replace the 1200 with the 2200, would it not be fair of AMD to drop the price to a lower point?

That's assuming there are enough defected dies for R3 1200.

 

[Shivansps]

The default allocation is usually 768MB. The amount you set in the BIOS is just the minimum reserved for use, the driver can dynamically allocate the full amount (2GB), but it can't go under the reserved amount. I think this goes all the way back to Llano/Brazos.

I tested that last year with a A10 7870 it was not working back then. I known that very well because a had to set the igp to 1gb mínimum otherwise i was unable to change settings on gta v.
So im not sure when was added. Maybe there is a external factor to it.

 

[Spartak]

All this GPU talk in this thread when these APU's target audience is business / SFF / non-gamers...smh

 

[Shivansps]

All this GPU talk in this thread when these APU's target audience is business / SFF / non-gamers...smh

I said that as well, this new APU if they are reemplacing R3 1200 and R5 1400 thats great because those are now selling with low-end gpus like the GT710 just to add video out.

 

[SPBHM]

All this GPU talk in this thread when these APU's target audience is business / SFF / non-gamers...smh

really? why is their marketing slides showing gaming and 3dmark performance? why 8 and 11 CUs? sounds like a waste of die space for non gamers.

reality is even Intel IGPs are widely used for gaming,

 

[french toast]

Some 2700U gaming tests just in case not seen;
https://youtu.be/F7H3ITvWGPQ - Witcher 3..720p low.
https://youtu.be/HALWvSXmotQ - Wolfenstein 720p low.
https://youtu.be/U2QXYu8awpA - PUBG 1080p low (70-100%).
https://youtu.be/an13bj_lBJs - overwatch 1080p low ( 50-100%).
https://youtu.be/wLxTIO_5760 - battlefield 1 1080p low ( 50-100%).
https://youtu.be/QOiZEl6FrcY - multi game mix... Ryzen 2550u Vs intel i7-8550u.

Not overly impressed by 2700u in a 25w chassis with 2x 2400mhz ddr4...but it's pretty decent and smashes HD 630.

 

[Shivansps]

This is a excellent use for those APUs.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12319/zotac-displays-zbox-ma551-an-amd-raven-ridgebased-sff-pc

really? why is their marketing slides showing gaming and 3dmark performance? why 8 and 11 CUs? sounds like a waste of die space for non gamers.

reality is even Intel IGPs are widely used for gaming,

The only wasted space is the empty space.

 

[Shivansps]

Some 2700U gaming tests just in case not seen;
https://youtu.be/F7H3ITvWGPQ - Witcher 3..720p low.
https://youtu.be/HALWvSXmotQ - Wolfenstein 720p low.
https://youtu.be/U2QXYu8awpA - PUBG 1080p low (70-100%).
https://youtu.be/an13bj_lBJs - overwatch 1080p low ( 50-100%).
https://youtu.be/wLxTIO_5760 - battlefield 1 1080p low ( 50-100%).
https://youtu.be/QOiZEl6FrcY - multi game mix... Ryzen 2550u Vs intel i7-8550u.

Not overly impressed by 2700u in a 25w chassis with 2x 2400mhz ddr4...but it's pretty decent and smashes HD 630.

To me what that says is that the new APU with Vega does not do any magic, it manages to beat Intel by a whopping 100%, and thats great, but is not that impressive.

Ill say the main competition for AMD in this area is the I5-8250u+MX150, AMD has the combined TDP and price on their favor so they need to use it. Because they are going to losse in performance, specially in games.

 

[Peter Watts]

The Ryzen 1200 already started to drop in price in the Netherlands, so just starting to wonder if the 1200 will hit G4560 level in price... That would mean that the APU will become quite unattractive for those who want to build entry level budget gaming rig... Say the 1200 drops to 60 euro´s then we can pair it with a GTX 1050 and blast the 2400G out of existence... Very interesting to see what will happen. (Of course i am aware that the APU is a completely different product, but just saying for a budget gaming rig it will make buying the 1050 (or some Radeon card) much more attractive.

 

[Hitman928]

The Ryzen 1200 already started to drop in price in the Netherlands, so just starting to wonder if the 1200 will hit G4560 level in price... That would mean that the APU will become quite unattractive for those who want to build entry level budget gaming rig... Say the 1200 drops to 60 euro´s then we can pair it with a GTX 1050 and blast the 2400G out of existence... Very interesting to see what will happen. (Of course i am aware that the APU is a completely different product, but just saying for a budget gaming rig it will make buying the 1050 (or some Radeon card) much more attractive.

It's possible the 1200 gets discontinued with the new APUs.

 

[Peter Watts]

It's possible the 1200 gets discontinued with the new APUs.

That would be a silly move of AMD.... They would own the budget segment against intel if they would continue to support it. But on the other hand.... You could start off with the 1200 and save up for a more powerful AM4 socket CPU.... xD

 

[Shivansps]

The Ryzen 1200 already started to drop in price in the Netherlands, so just starting to wonder if the 1200 will hit G4560 level in price... That would mean that the APU will become quite unattractive for those who want to build entry level budget gaming rig... Say the 1200 drops to 60 euro´s then we can pair it with a GTX 1050 and blast the 2400G out of existence... Very interesting to see what will happen. (Of course i am aware that the APU is a completely different product, but just saying for a budget gaming rig it will make buying the 1050 (or some Radeon card) much more attractive.

I have that feeling that AMD will offer a 2C/4T with low CU below the 2200G just to avoid the 1050 eating the 2400/2200 market(someone mentioned a 2/4 with 3CU), and that will still be good vs a 2/4 Pentium. If Intel dosent go 4/4 on pentiums on the next gen we are petty much screwed there.

 

[VirtualLarry]

it will make buying the 1050 (or some Radeon card) much more attractive.

not at current mining-inflated prices

 

[ao_ika_red]

I have that feeling that AMD will offer a 2C/4T with low CU below the 2200G just to avoid the 1050 eating the 2400/2200 market(someone mentioned a 2/4 with 3CU), and that will still be good vs a 2/4 Pentium. If Intel dosent go 4/4 on pentiums on the next gen we are petty much screwed there.

AMD may build a Intel NUC-like ecosystem with that sku (2c/4t +3cu). But hey, that's still a win/win solution for the consumers, isn't it?

 

[Shivansps]

AMD may build a Intel NUC-like ecosystem with that sku (2c/4t +3cu). But hey, that's still a win/win solution for the consumers, isn't it?

AM4 needs lower skus than the 2200G, they will still have to replace the 9600 and 9500, that is the $40 and $60, there still the 9700 at $80 but that does not matter. I sure hope so they use the 2/4 with 3CU to replace the 9500, BUT considering what Intel has in those price ranges they may just release it as a $60-70 9600 replacement and just keep the 9500 as entry level. That would not be good for the consumers at all. From a bussiness POV whats what i would do, the competition has nothing better and you just stop from nvidia+ your own $60 cpu killing your own $100 and $170 APUs.

 

[neblogai]

Some 2700U gaming tests just in case not seen;
https://youtu.be/F7H3ITvWGPQ - Witcher 3..720p low.
https://youtu.be/HALWvSXmotQ - Wolfenstein 720p low.
https://youtu.be/U2QXYu8awpA - PUBG 1080p low (70-100%).
https://youtu.be/an13bj_lBJs - overwatch 1080p low ( 50-100%).
https://youtu.be/wLxTIO_5760 - battlefield 1 1080p low ( 50-100%).
https://youtu.be/QOiZEl6FrcY - multi game mix... Ryzen 2550u Vs intel i7-8550u.

Not overly impressed by 2700u in a 25w chassis with 2x 2400mhz ddr4...but it's pretty decent and smashes HD 630.

Judging by the Cinebench score (stabilises at ~510), and AMD slide showing Cinebench ~450 at 15W, and ~550 at 25W (and confirmed by mXFR HP 360 stabilising at ~560)- this 2700U in ACER is limited to ~20W. But that is just for the APU- chassis can carry RX540 as well, for much higher power use and performance.

 

[french toast]

To me what that says is that the new APU with Vega does not do any magic, it manages to beat Intel by a whopping 100%, and thats great, but is not that impressive.

Ill say the main competition for AMD in this area is the I5-8250u+MX150, AMD has the combined TDP and price on their favor so they need to use it. Because they are going to losse in performance, specially in games.

Depends on what you call impressive...at times 2500u seems more than twice the perf of that i7, 2700u even faster than that, in comparison to it's competition that is pretty impressive, saying that intel graphics are crap.
AMD has also not updated the drivers for Vega mobile, they are apparently months old, (why?)..that will improve performance further.
Like has been said already, there is nothing stopping OEMs from throwing MX150 or gtx 1050 with Raven ridge...lose a little CPU performance but would be cheaper, raven ridge just gives the option of cheap and cheerful gaming with no dgpu, intel does not have that option.

Judging by the Cinebench score (stabilises at ~510), and AMD slide showing Cinebench ~450 at 15W, and ~550 at 25W (and confirmed by mXFR HP 360 stabilising at ~560)- this 2700U in ACER is limited to ~20W. But that is just for the APU- chassis can carry RX540 as well, for much higher power use and performance.

You maybe right, AMD could do with upgrading the drivers, could add some performance.

 

[tamz_msc]

AM4 needs lower skus than the 2200G, they will still have to replace the 9600 and 9500, that is the $40 and $60....

Wrong.

This isn't the Bulldozer era any more where AMD has no other choice than but scrape the bottom-of-the-barrel.

100$ CPUs ought to be the minimum for the DIY community. They can make a Pentium equivalent for the OEMs though.

 

[whm1974]

Wrong.

This isn't the Bulldozer era any more where AMD has no other choice than but scrape the bottom-of-the-barrel.

100$ CPUs ought to be the minimum for the DIY community. They can make a Pentium equivalent for the OEMs though.

I have to agree. Now that desktop quad cores are now available for ~$100ish, it seems to be rather silly to get anything lower end in most use cases. Especially considering how long people are keeping computers now.

 

[IntelUser2000]

sounds like a waste of die space for non gamers.

This saying has been repeated like its a proverb.

The reality is absolute cost of silicon is minimal compared to what they sell them for. Silicon chips are a gold mine, because you take what's literally dirt cheap(sand) and sell it for hundreds of dollars.

Now the majority of the market don't care about discrete graphics, because iGPUs are more than capable of displaying high quality 2D, and Video. Heck, they do gaming ok too if you are willing to make certain sacrifices.

The majority of the market PAY for the minimal physical cost increase due to die size, and research and development costs. Once a chip is in mass production, it would be more complicated to produce another die that strips off the iGPU. And they would do it for what reason? To appeal to the purists?

Think about it. If one of the companies, AMD or Intel, did not have any part with an iGPU, they would be locked out of 70% of the markets automatically. That greatly offsets the tiny cost increase caused by bigger dies.

We could even flip that around and say for most folks they are wasting the dies on 4+ core CPUs by putting extra cores.

 

[IRobot23]

Anyone knows how well will raven OC?
I heard 4,2 GHz at CES on air cooler.

Soooo... 4GHz could be expected as avg. OC?