AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

[ao_ika_red]

I noticed some earlier leaks (mid December 2017) believe these are actually mobile chips.

That denoted as U-class chip.

 

[neblogai]

That denoted as U-class chip.

Not only- first mention of 2200G and 2400G was as Mobile chips: https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2017/12/AMD-Ryzen-APU-G-Series-2400G-2200G.jpg
I bet they will be on both laptop, and desktop platforms, even with the same name. Also, the $99 price for R3 2200G was 'announced'- which leaves current Ryzen 3 no space or reason to exist. However, Ryzen 5 1400 and 1500X should still be viable at lower ~$120-150 prices; as well as new Pinnacle Ridge based and higher clocking quadcores. And AMD would not really loose anything by retiring current Ryzen 3- they can simply sell same dies as 1400-1500X.

 

[IntelUser2000]

So basically Vega 11 is on par with RX 550.

RX 550 is still quite a bit faster.

 

[ao_ika_red]

Not only- first mention of 2200G and 2400G was as Mobile chips: https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2017/12/AMD-Ryzen-APU-G-Series-2400G-2200G.jpg

Ah, got it. Basically it's just like what they did in the past. Desktop version will have higher TDP and core clock than its mobile counterparts.

 

[SPBHM]

Basically - under 500$ you can get pretty decent computer. Unbalanced(Ryzen 5 1400 paired with RX 550, basically), but still decent .

RX 550? based on overwatch and rocket league results the RX 550 is like 50%+ faster than this IGP.

 

[neblogai]

RX 550? based on overwatch and rocket league results the RX 550 is like 50%+ faster than this IGP.

At stock, their CPUs are clocked high, but iGPUs to very energy efficient (IIRC) 1250MHz and 1100MHz respectively. There is a slide of AMD showing high gains from very high OC on them, which should let it compete vs GT1030/RX550 better. (That is- until AMD releases Polaris12 with fully enabled die).
https://youtu.be/hnX07KfEuZ0?t=341

 

[Mockingbird]

What I don't understand is this: With Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G replacing the Ryzen 5 1400 and Ryzen 3 1200, why is AMD keeping the Ryzen 5 1500X and Ryzen 3 1300X?

 

[SPBHM]

At stock, their CPUs are clocked high, but iGPUs to very energy efficient (IIRC) 1250MHz and 1100MHz respectively. There is a slide of AMD showing high gains from very high OC on them, which should let it compete vs GT1030/RX550 better. (That is- until AMD releases Polaris12 with fully enabled die).
https://youtu.be/hnX07KfEuZ0?t=341

the OCs on those slides are quite good, if you can easily get that out of the $99 one that's really impressive, the only bad thing is that ram price is so bad right now, and you would really want some 3200s with the IGP with those OCs,

 

[AtenRa]

hmm, with the iGPU at 1500MHz and DDR-4 at 3600MHz the R5 2400G will be close to Core i3 8100 + GT1030 in games.
Perhaps even faster in some games like Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus etc.

The big problem is the high memory prices as of now.

 

[prtskg]

What I don't understand is this: With Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G replacing the Ryzen 5 1400 and Ryzen 3 1200, why is AMD keeping the Ryzen 5 1500X and Ryzen 3 1300X?

May be they'll go once athlons based on these Raven Ridge come. It'll be interesting to see how far behind these athlons are from R5 1500X.

 

[Thunder 57]

What I don't understand is this: With Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G replacing the Ryzen 5 1400 and Ryzen 3 1200, why is AMD keeping the Ryzen 5 1500X and Ryzen 3 1300X?

Maybe they'll keep them until inventory runs out?

 

[neblogai]

What I don't understand is this: With Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G replacing the Ryzen 5 1400 and Ryzen 3 1200, why is AMD keeping the Ryzen 5 1500X and Ryzen 3 1300X?

My guess is- 1500X is faster. It comes with 16MB of L3, compared to 4MB on Raven Ridge; also, Cinebench multicore shows it ~3% faster than 2400G. That may turn out into more in games and some other programs.
And I would have kept 1400 instead of 1300X at $129- because the latter certainly does not look appealing.

 

[sirmo]

RX 550 is still quite a bit faster.

rx550 has 8 polaris CUs. 2400g has 11 Vega CUs.. granted it may not clock as high because it's an iGPU (but 550 isn't clocked that high, and Vega has natively higher clocks so perhaps not).. this APU has technically more shader performance. Now the issue will be memory bandwidth. So you'd want to pair this thing with fast RAM if you can help it.. perhaps 2x4Gb 3200 or 3000Mhz sticks might be worth it.

This thing will be very close to rx550.. where memory bandwidth is important 550 might have an edge, but who knows Vega also has DSBR which can make it a bit more efficient in terms of memory movement. So I wouldn't be that confident 550 is quite a bit faster.

 

[prtskg]

AMD's press release -
http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/ces-2018-2018jan07.aspx

 

[Thunder 57]

AMD's press release -
http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/ces-2018-2018jan07.aspx

I am curious as to why they aren't releasing mobile parts with a higher TDP.

 

[prtskg]

I am curious as to why they aren't releasing mobile parts with a higher TDP.

Their present mobile parts already turbo to 45w.

 

[sirmo]

Wonder if these will be unlocked like the rest of the Ryzen lineup.. feel like these APUs will become the new budget favorites for folks building entry level gaming machines. Especially considering the state of the GPU market.

 

[SPBHM]

rx550 has 8 polaris CUs. 2400g has 11 Vega CUs.. granted it may not clock as high because it's an iGPU (but 550 isn't clocked that high, and Vega has natively higher clocks so perhaps not).. this APU has technically more shader performance. Now the issue will be memory bandwidth. So you'd want to pair this thing with fast RAM if you can help it.. perhaps 2x4Gb 3200 or 3000Mhz sticks might be worth it.

This thing will be very close to rx550.. where memory bandwidth is important 550 might have an edge, but who knows Vega also has DSBR which can make it a bit more efficient in terms of memory movement. So I wouldn't be that confident 550 is quite a bit faster.

the difference in memory bandwidth is very significant, the 550 can work with over 100GB/s

even with DDR3200 you are talking about half of that with penalty for sharing it with the CPU

 

[Mockingbird]

My guess is- 1500X is faster. It comes with 16MB of L3, compared to 4MB on Raven Ridge; also, Cinebench multicore shows it's ~3% faster than 2400G. That may turn out into more in games and some other programs.
However, I would have kept 1400 instead of 1300X at $129- because the latter certainly does not look appealing.

Summit Ridge has 16 MB L3 (8 MB L3 per CCX)

Raven Ridge has 8 MB L3 since it has only one CCX.

Ryzen 5 1500X has 16 MB L3; Ryzen 5 1400 has 8 MB L3.

Ryzen 5 2400G also probably has 8 MB L3.

I don't see any reason to see the Ryzen 3 1300X though.

 

[Mockingbird]

Wonder if these will be unlocked like the rest of the Ryzen lineup.. feel like these APUs will become the new budget favorites for folks building entry level gaming machines. Especially considering the state of the GPU market.

It's written on one of the slides.

 

[neblogai]

Summit Ridge has 16 MB L3 (8 MB L3 per CCX)
Raven Ridge has 8 MB L3 since it has only one CCX.

Raven Ridge had half the cache in the CCX cut. It has just 4MB of L3, or as AMD writes it, 6MB of L2 + L3:
http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/ces-2018-2018jan07.aspx

 

[AtenRa]

Summit Ridge has 16 MB L3 (8 MB L3 per CCX)

Raven Ridge has 8 MB L3 since it has only one CCX.

Ryzen 5 1500X has 16 MB L3; Ryzen 5 1400 has 8 MB L3.

Ryzen 5 2400G also probably has 8 MB L3.

I don't see any reason to see the Ryzen 3 1300X though.

According to official AMD press release the Ryzen R5 2400G has 6MB of L2/L3

 

[sirmo]

the difference in memory bandwidth is very significant, the 550 can work with over 100GB/s

even with DDR3200 you are talking about half of that with penalty for sharing it with the CPU

Right, I mentioned that as well. Actually we have Firestrike scores. Doesn't look that far behind the rx550.. when OCed 3600Mhz RAM and GPU cores:

rx550 score 4292 https://www.3dmark.com/fs/12707392

 

[SPBHM]

3dmark tends to be less bandwidth limited than games, I remember the same with the older AMD IGPs, good on 3dmark compared to the low end VGAs from AMD, but much further behind in games.

 

[AtenRa]

The R5 2400G with the iGPU at 1500MHz and 3600MHz memory should be faster than the R5 2400G + RX550 in games.