AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

[xblax]

The only fallacy here is you taking things out of context.

1) AMD stablished that, in every gen of APU they promoted to no end how an APU is better than low end dGPUs, this does not seem to be the case now, no idea why.
Also i said most people looking to do gaming they usually choose for GTX1050+some cheap cpu, this thing with the 1030 that people keep mentioning here just dosent exist OR they choose the entry level quad core APU, that was the 7600 now the 9600. 9700 and 9800 APU are super niches. Maybe that will change now to 2200G no idea, by price it is replacing the 9800 so well see, im just saying what is happening. And what im saying is backed up by steam survey results so i dont think its something that happens only on my country. Its a shame we cant know about the exact APU numbers.

2) As i said earlier, most people does not do any kind of heavy gaming, just multimedia, some programs to work, web browsing, maybe facebook/flash/html5 games, at the most they play LOL, and for that the A4-7300, A6-9500 and G3930/G4560 gets the job done. Thats what i said. And those are the CPU that sells the most. Thats why i rather have a 2/4 Ryzen at $50.

The next step up is the 9600 that it can almost play everything, GTA V / Overwatch and PUBG is what people looks for, and PUBG is not enterely playable on 9600, so for that they just get something with a 1050. Maybe that will change now with the 2200G, time will tell.

What you're not taking into account is that APUs have superseded low-end dGPUs entirely. There is just no point any more in making dGPUs as week as they were some years ago. What really matters is how good can Raven Ridge play current games vs. how well could APUs play games some years ago. I don't think it will disappoint in that metric.

And i still rather see a 2/4 with 3 CU and a 9600 replacement than these 2 APUs that are more of a niche market.

Then you're implying Intel's entire lineup above G3930/G4560 addresses a niche market? APU gaming PCs are a niche. But these APUs target everything from family desktop PC to small form factor HTPC to regular office desktops - that market is as big as it gets.
I'm not saying that gaming capabilities are unimportant - in fact gaming is very important to differentiate from Intel's CPUs. But the gaming performance matters mostly for those that want a PC for other purposes in the first place and then maybe play a game once in a while.

 

[moinmoin]

And what about all the gamers on Intel's iGPU? RR is a massive leap in perf/$.

Indeed. Looking at the Steam Survey overview page at http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ Intel (which is iGPU only after all) atm accounts for 5.26% of the video card usage at Steam (before the PUBG inflation it even hovered around 15%). That's the market RR is going for.

BTW it seems there will be a ~50$ 2/4 Athlon APU:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7vth8t/amd_athlon_200ge_with_radeon_vega_graphicvega_3/

Specs seem to match with Banded Kestrel:

 

[Shivansps]

What you're not taking into account is that APUs have superseded low-end dGPUs entirely. There is just no point any more in making dGPUs as week as they were some years ago. What really matters is how good can Raven Ridge play current games vs. how well could APUs play games some years ago. I don't think it will disappoint in that metric.

Thats not true, the GT1030 w/ 64 bit bus is not different vs DDR4 than the old entry level dGPU with DDR3, im not going to expect to beat a 128bit GDDR5 thats just impossible.

Then you're implying Intel's entire lineup above G3930/G4560 addresses a niche market? APU gaming PCs are a niche. But these APUs target everything from family desktop PC to small form factor HTPC to regular office desktops - that market is as big as it gets.
I'm not saying that gaming capabilities are unimportant - in fact gaming is very important to differentiate from Intel's CPUs. But the gaming performance matters mostly for those that want a PC for other purposes in the first place and then maybe play a game once in a while.

Well, the low end outsells everything, at least here, but you are missing the point there, im not saying anything bigger does not sells, it does, but mainly for non-gaming(with an IGP), just like R3 1200 and R5 1400 and even R5 1600 sells along with a GT710 for non-gaming.

What im saying that it does not sells well and i consider a niche is every APU over the 7600/9600, the poeple you are mentioning just get an 9600 for that. And the 9600 sells very very well, for gaming and non gaming as well because it is a cheap quad core. Maybe the 2200G will take its place now, but by price its replacing the A12-9800 that almost no one wants. Well see what happens, i have no doubt the 2200G will sell, just maybe no for gaming as people here expects.

 

[AtenRa]

There are 642 new OEM desktop Computers with Intel Core i3 7th Gen iGPU only sold in Newegg.
There are 652 new OEM desktop Computers with Intel Core i5 7th Gen iGPU only sold in Newegg.

Thats the market for the new AMD APUs.

Also to remind to everyone, 99% of Intels Consumer CPUs sold each year (desktop & Mobile) have iGPUs.

 

[LTC8K6]

mmm thats a 2200U with another name, so i expect this is no mobile SKU, Athlon a is desktop brand, G is like the other 2 Ryzens, 2200G and 2400G, and the E is used to indicate a low TDP SKU, petty much like the A6-9500E.
Could be embedded, but i would guess this is desktop unless i find evidence to the contrary.

They generally use strange names for embbeded like Geode, or just numbers with RX, LX...

This thing at $50 would be very interesting, it petty much kills everything at sub $100.. And maybe a 6CU version at $70 to replace the 9600.

Everything I can find indicates that Horned Owl and Banded Kestrel are embedded and that the Horned Owl chip might also be offered in AM4 format.
Banded Kestrel appears to be quite slow in the CPU and GPU department.

 

[Shivansps]

There are 642 new OEM desktop Computers with Intel Core i3 7th Gen iGPU only sold in Newegg.
There are 652 new OEM desktop Computers with Intel Core i5 7th Gen iGPU only sold in Newegg.

Thats the market for the new AMD APUs.

Also to remind to everyone, 99% of Intels Consumer CPUs sold each year (desktop & Mobile) have iGPUs.

So? No one said there is no market for them. AMD needed that to be competitive with the 8th gen once H310 drops in anyway.
And im not talking about games here, every Ryzen desktop CPU should have an IGP if you ask me.

 

[rainy]

Thats not true, the GT1030 w/ 64 bit bus is not different vs DDR4 than the old entry level dGPU with DDR3, im not going to expect to beat a 128bit GDDR5 thats just impossible.

Wrong, previous generations of AMD APU with DDR3 were in better position against low-end graphics cards equipped with DDR3 too, than 2200G/2400G with DDR4 vs GDDR5 in GT 1030 - the latter have effectively significantly more bandwith.
I don't think, that you're so ignorant on technical side, then it must be trolling or simply example of bias against AMD.

And the 9600 sells very very well, for gaming and non gaming as well because it is a cheap quad core. Maybe the 2200G will take its place now, but by price its replacing the A12-9800 that almost no one wants. Well see what happens, i have no doubt the 2200G will sell, just maybe no for gaming as people here expects.

You're wrong again: A8-9600 is a 4 thread APU, 2200G is a real quad-core.
I'm repeating this again - for additonal 30 dollars, you will get much better CPU performance and also better IGP.
Btw, probably I shouldn't expect anything else from a person, who recommending buying Bristol Ridge parts in 2018.

 

[Peter Watts]

Wrong, previous generations of AMD APU with DDR3 were in better position against low-end graphics cards equipped with DDR3 too, than 2200G/2400G with DDR4 vs GDDR5 in GT 1030 - the latter have effectively significantly more bandwith.
I don't think, that you're so ignorant on technical side, then it must be trolling or simply example of bias against AMD.




You're wrong again: A8-9600 is a 4 thread APU, 2200G is a real quad-core.
I'm repeating this again - for additonal 30 dollars, you will get much better CPU performance and also better IGP.
Btw, probably I shouldn't expect anything else from a person, who recommending buying Bristol Ridge parts in 2018.

Never owned the A8-9600 (especially overclocked to 4.0Ghz but performance looks absolutely decent on those things:

I can´t imagine the 2200G or 2400G being a lesser performer... So overall my best estimate is that these cpu´s are going to be great bargains for budget builders... (But we´ll have to wait and see what the reviews/benchmarks tell us.)

 

[Shivansps]

Wrong, previous generations of AMD APU with DDR3 were in better position against low-end graphics cards equipped with DDR3 too, than 2200G/2400G with DDR4 vs GDDR5 in GT 1030 - the latter have effectively significantly more bandwith.
I don't think, that you're so ignorant on technical side, then it must be trolling or simply example of bias against AMD.

You are wrong, most DDR3 gpus where equipped with equivalent to DDR3-1600 rams, you needed DDR3-1866 to start making a diference in badwidth.

With GT1030 and DDR4 this start to happen at DDR4-3200.

And with a equivalent of a RX550 or more in the case of the 2400G they have far higher brute force to do the job.
No excuses.

You're wrong again: A8-9600 is a 4 thread APU, 2200G is a real quad-core.
I'm repeating this again - for additonal 30 dollars, you will get much better CPU performance and also better IGP.
Btw, probably I shouldn't expect anything else from a person, who recommending buying Bristol Ridge parts in 2018.

Then explain that to the people who buy those things, not to me, i do not recommend anything to anyone. Hell a lot of people thinks a A4-7300 is a quad core and an A8-9600 a octa-deca core thanks to AMD misleading marketing. Something im happy to see it seems to be fixed for these new APUs.

This is simple, the A8-9600 is a great seller, the A12-9800 is not, by price i cant replace the 9600 with the 2200G, what i can do is replace the A12-9800 with it, and the R3 1200+GT710. If you dont like come here and open your own store, competition is always welcome, specially the one that forces me to offer better hardware instead of a stupid price war were hardware is the first casuality.

BTW we operate on a online platform similar to ebay called mercadolibre and that is were the bulk of the sells are. So people just buy the stuff before asking anyone opinion, soo ill suggest you to stop blaming me for everyone else decision just because it does not matches your vision about how things should be.

 

[Mockingbird]

The only fallacy here is you taking things out of context.

I see that you've set up a straw man

1) AMD stablished that, in every gen of APU they promoted to no end how an APU is better than low end dGPUs, this does not seem to be the case now, no idea why.

Those do appear to be words in the English language, but I have no idea what the sentence means.

Also i said most people looking to do gaming they usually choose for GTX1050+some cheap cpu, this thing with the 1030 that people keep mentioning here just dosent exist OR they choose the entry level quad core APU, that was the 7600 now the 9600. 9700 and 9800 APU are super niches. Maybe that will change now to 2200G no idea, by price it is replacing the 9800 so well see, im just saying what is happening. And what im saying is backed up by steam survey results so i dont think its something that happens only on my country. Its a shame we cant know about the exact APU numbers.

Really? I thought Geforce GTX 1060 is NVIDIA's best selling GPU.

Or are you telling me the majority of people buying Geforce GTX 1060 are not gamers.

Also, you are using Stream Survey?

LOL! What a joke!

Windows 7 64bit went from 42.45% in September to 71.07% in November.

2) As i said earlier, most people does not do any kind of heavy gaming, just multimedia, some programs to work, web browsing, maybe facebook/flash/html5 games, at the most they play LOL, and for that the A4-7300, A6-9500 and G3930/G4560 gets the job done. Thats what i said. And those are the CPU that sells the most. Thats why i rather have a 2/4 Ryzen at $50.

The next step up is the 9600 that it can almost play everything, GTA V / Overwatch and PUBG is what people looks for, and PUBG is not enterely playable on 9600, so for that they just get something with a 1050. Maybe that will change now with the 2200G, time will tell.

Well, you should go tell Lenovo, HP, Dell, and Acer that.

The majority of their PCs have Core i3 or better.

 

[Shivansps]

Never owned the A8-9600 (especially overclocked to 4.0Ghz but performance looks absolutely decent on those things:

I can´t imagine the 2200G or 2400G being a lesser performer... So overall my best estimate is that these cpu´s are going to be great bargains for budget builders... (But we´ll have to wait and see what the reviews/benchmarks tell us.)

the A8-9600 is a very nice APU, if you pair it with fast rams and overclock it, it can petty much play everything at 720P. PUBG and Witcher 3 are the worse case escenarios that i know of.

The 2200G is going to be better than this, the games it will be unable to run at 1080P it will be able to do so at 720p. So its a safe bet thet it will be able to run every game out there,

 

[rainy]

You are wrong, most DDR3 gpus where equipped with equivalent to DDR3-1600 rams, you needed DDR3-1866 to start making a diference in badwidth.

With GT1030 and DDR4 this start to happen at DDR4-3200.

And with a equivalent of a RX550 or more in the case of the 2400G they have far higher brute force to do the job.
No excuses.

What a lovely example of broken logic./s

Trinity/Richland vs low-end DDR3 dGPU
128-bit bus x DDR3-1866 - 29.8 GB/s
64-bit bus x DDR3-1600 - 12.8 GB/s
If IGP using 1/2 of whole bandwith it have circa 15 GB/s.

2200G/2400G vs GT 1030
128-bit bus x DDR4-3200 - 51.2 GB/s
64-bit bus x GDDR5 6008 MHz - 48.06 GB/s
In this case 1/2 translate to 25.6 GB/s, circa 53 percent of GT 1030 bandwith.

Comprende?

 

[raghu78]

Wrong, previous generations of AMD APU with DDR3 were in better position against low-end graphics cards equipped with DDR3 too, than 2200G/2400G with DDR4 vs GDDR5 in GT 1030 - the latter have effectively significantly more bandwith.
I don't think, that you're so ignorant on technical side, then it must be trolling or simply example of bias against AMD.

You're wrong again: A8-9600 is a 4 thread APU, 2200G is a real quad-core.
I'm repeating this again - for additonal 30 dollars, you will get much better CPU performance and also better IGP.
Btw, probably I shouldn't expect anything else from a person, who recommending buying Bristol Ridge parts in 2018.

No doubt in that.

 

[Shivansps]

What a lovely example of broken logic./s

Trinity/Richland vs low-end DDR3 dGPU
128-bit bus x DDR3-1866 - 29.8 GB/s
64-bit bus x DDR3-1600 - 12.8 GB/s
If IGP using 1/2 of whole bandwith it have circa 15 GB/s.

2200G/2400G vs GT 1030
128-bit bus x DDR4-3200 - 51.2 GB/s
64-bit bus x GDDR5 6008 MHz - 48.06 GB/s
In this case 1/2 translate to 25.6 GB/s, circa 53 percent of GT 1030 bandwith.

Comprende?

R7 240 = 128 bits... the A8-7600 beaten the crap of out of it.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2463/radeon-r7-240
The R7 250 DDR3 was 128 bits as well. And the A10-7850K was better than that, again with fast ram.

GT 730 was 128/64 bit DDR3 or 64 bit GDDR5.
http://www.nvidia.es/object/geforce-gt-730-es.html#pdpContent=2

Same for GT 740.

GT630 only the kepler version was 64 bits.
https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-630/specifications

64 bit DDR3 GT730/GT740 were rare, they existed yes.

Lets remember this thread: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/a10-7870k-vs-athlon-860k-gt730-atenra-cbn.2464083/

A10-7870K vs GT730 GDDR5.

 

[piesquared]

It's funny, the number one criticism of prior generations of AMD APUs was the lower CPU performance. Nobody was going to want their APUs because while good for gaming, we were told they weren't good enough for anything else. Now the CPU cores are high performance and the GPU cores are high performance, so... now the CPU performance is too good and the GPU performance is too good? Does that about sum it up? Talk about grasping at straws!
P.S. It is curious that nearly every scheduled AT forum maintenance date coincides with an AMD product launch. That's quite the coincidence.

 

[LTC8K6]

I'd still probably get an R5-1400 and a GTX1050/RX560 if I were on a budget.

Fortunately I'm not.

 

[Kenmitch]

It's funny, the number one criticism of prior generations of AMD APUs was the lower CPU performance. Nobody was going to want their APUs because while good for gaming, we were told they weren't good enough for anything else. Now the CPU cores are high performance and the GPU cores are high performance, so... now the CPU performance is too good and the GPU performance is too good? Does that about sum it up? Talk about grasping at straws!
P.S. It is curious that nearly every scheduled AT forum maintenance date coincides with an AMD product launch. That's quite the coincidence.

Funny how that works out. Seems like AMD's biggest obstacle in this day and time is the internet warriors that run around stating all things AMD suck. It doesn't really matter how good a product they produce you'll always find them trashing the products for one reason or another. Not like they're hard to spot in the end....Makes you wonder if they're getting some kind of compensation for their efforts in the end.

 

[crazzy.heartz]

These CPUs from AMD with IGP are quite fantastic really..

10-15 year olds who are in need of their first PC will buy this in a heartbeat.. & why not; AMD is giving them RX 550 level performance for free..

Pair these with basic 2400Mhz RAM and it'll play games at 1080p.. 51 FPS in Battlefield 1 ain't too shabby..


Furthermore, once the RAM price drops, anyone who buys these with a 3000/3200 MHz RAM enjoys 10% higher performance rightaway. Bump the GPU clockspeed another 100-200 MHz and enjoy another 10-15% higher performance..

Those who really wanna squeeze the lemon can extract upto 35-40% higher performance..

https://itc.ua/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/AMD_Raven_Ridge_overclock.jpg

https://www.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/news/2018-01-07/08.jpg

 

[Shivansps]

It's funny, the number one criticism of prior generations of AMD APUs was the lower CPU performance. Nobody was going to want their APUs because while good for gaming, we were told they weren't good enough for anything else. Now the CPU cores are high performance and the GPU cores are high performance, so... now the CPU performance is too good and the GPU performance is too good? Does that about sum it up? Talk about grasping at straws!
P.S. It is curious that nearly every scheduled AT forum maintenance date coincides with an AMD product launch. That's quite the coincidence.

And i find funny that now quad cores are making a comeback when a month ago they were dead, "just get a ryzen 1600/1700". Can you please finish the stupid AMD vs Intel you are working so hard to force on everyone that dosent think like you?

No one is arguing that these APU are faster than the old ones, they are better value than the Intel offerings, and that the CPU part is A LOT better, althought they still a bit small compared to 6 and 8 core options that we now have.

 

[LTC8K6]

These CPUs from AMD with IGP are quite fantastic really..

10-15 year olds who are in need of their first PC will buy this in a heartbeat.. & why not; AMD is giving them RX 550 level performance for free..

Pair these with basic 2400Mhz RAM and it'll play games at 1080p.. 51 FPS in Battlefield 1 ain't too shabby..


Furthermore, once the RAM price drops, anyone who buys these with a 3000/3200 MHz RAM enjoys 10% higher performance rightaway. Bump the GPU clockspeed another 100-200 MHz and enjoy another 10-15% higher performance..

Those who really wanna squeeze the lemon can extract upto 35-40% higher performance..

https://itc.ua/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/AMD_Raven_Ridge_overclock.jpg

https://www.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/news/2018-01-07/08.jpg

Put up the AMD slide that shows the 2400G tied with a GT1030 card.

 

[Mockingbird]

And i find funny that now quad cores are making a comeback when a month ago they were dead, "just get a ryzen 1600/1700".

...and exactly who are these people that said that quad-core processors are dead, again?

 

[DeathReborn]

^^^THIS^^^

Anyone who doesn't realize these are going to sell really well is either out of touch or extremely biased. Ryzen is on a roll and the iGPU in these is massively better than what is available from Intel. That's the market for them. They are for people who don't want a DGPU.

To be fair though, for more than a few of those using Intel IGP's sticking a 1030/550 into their machine would be easier/cheaper than buying effectively a new system. IGP/APU has it's market but it's a market that can and will be split a multitude of ways.

 

[rainy]

Put up the AMD slide that shows the 2400G tied with a GT1030 card.

If I recall correctly with DDR4-2666?
Then with DDR4-3200 it should be ahead and probably even more with game/title which will get some GCN optimization.

 

[Kenmitch]

To be fair though, for more than a few of those using Intel IGP's sticking a 1030/550 into their machine would be easier/cheaper than buying effectively a new system. IGP/APU has it's market but it's a market that can and will be split a multitude of ways.

I really doubt they'd be the target market for these APUs....Unless they are looking to replace their current rig anyways.

 

[ZGR]

...and exactly who are these people that said that quad-core processors are dead, again?

I am one of those people, but this opinion is only about higher end gaming.

This quad core is excellent because it is so cheap. Price is key here.

The days of $300+ quad cores are dead.

The price of the 2200 and 2400 make it a no brainer for new gamers on a budget. There are so many current gamers on much slower graphics!