I thought APUs are going to cost more than CPU counterparts... insane. AMD on rampage!
Cheapest 2x 8GB DDR-4 2400MHz = $164
Cheapest 2x 8GB DDR-4 3200MHz = $193
Now lets assume by the time R5 2400G will launch in February 12 there will also be available cheap Intel Socket 1151 motherboards with KabyLake support.
So we will have the following (assuming Motherboard prices are the same for both AM4 / 1151)
Prices taken from newegg today 8th Jan 2018.
Core i3 8100 = $130
2x 8GB DDR-4 2400MHz = $164
GT 1030 2GB = $80
Total = $374
Ryzen R5 2400G = $170
2x 8GB DDR-4 3200MHz = $193
Total = $363
Assuming the Memory price difference remains the same in February, then the Ryzen 5 2400G vs Core i3 8100 + GT1030 is at the same price, with the same performance , with no Meltdown security hardware problems and the ability to upgrade up to 8x Core Ryzen 2 later on.
EXACTLY! You both hit the the nail on the head here, Ryzen is overclock capable, offers more cores Vs intel, another level graphics, perhaps more importantly it's completely upgradable.But you're paying $120 more for a crippled system.
Instead, you can buy a $99 APU.. overclock it.. it will run Esports titles fine at tweaked settings. If you're not happy with the performance you can always buy a dGPU and now you have a faster CPU and a faster GPU than the alternative. And you spent $25 more for 2 real cores, and an unlocked CPU.
So I really fail to see how G4560 is better.
Bottom line is: "is a $99 2200G better than the $75 G4560.. " all day long it is. Whichever way you look at it.
It has an iGPU you can play games on, it's a quad core, you can OC it. AM4 is a much better platform you can upgrade. It's a no brainer.
I think once low-to-mid range VEGA gpus comes out, they might Crossfire with 2200G and 2400G.
And I do not have that right? Radeon Vega mobile is not in Raven APU? Therefore there cannot exist Vega Mobile with HBM2 in an APU?
You guys are looking at what I have written from completely different angle. If this is APU it will look the same. Vega Mobile is in APUs, by AMD nomenclature.
A good use for the R5-2400G would be HTPC and SFF gaming computers.EXACTLY! You both hit the the nail on the head here, Ryzen is overclock capable, offers more cores Vs intel, another level graphics, perhaps more importantly it's completely upgradable.
I'm going to get a decent B series mobo, a decent good looking mini itx case, 5-600w PSU, high end cooler, fast SSD 120GB, 1 TB harddrive (or buy external drive for keeping large files) And spend alot on high end Ram. (16GB >3200mhz).
I'm then going to overclock the hell out of this little APU, why? Because this will be just enough for me to play games at respectable settings @ 30fps...whilst waiting for my true goal....either zen 2/3 plus Navi/successor....both easy drop in upgrades when I'm ready....if I decide to wait until zen 3 and Navi successor on 7nm+...I can pick up a dirt cheap 1050TI to tide me over....as the 4/8 thread RYZEN CPU is just enough to handle modern games the next couple of years.
Happy days
This kind of value both in the here and now and future proofing is not available for intel CPUs due to their greed.
Haven't I written that is EITHER HBM2 APU, or dGPU?Semantics aside,
I don't know what you've been looking at, but the AMD slide clearly shows 3 products:
-Ryzen mobile APU
-Vega M discrete graphics
-Intel custom foundry solution
Vega M looks compact, but most of the benefits are because of the HBM. HBM saves board space because you don't need 8 separate chips as with GDDR5.
That doesn't mean AMD doesn't have HBM-based APU in the works, it just means whatever announced there doesn't have a HBM packing APU.
GDDR6 should offer 2gb per chip?Semantics aside,
I don't know what you've been looking at, but the AMD slide clearly shows 3 products:
-Ryzen mobile APU
-Vega M discrete graphics
-Intel custom foundry solution
Vega M looks compact, but most of the benefits are because of the HBM. HBM saves board space because you don't need 8 separate chips as with GDDR5.
That doesn't mean AMD doesn't have HBM-based APU in the works, it just means whatever announced there doesn't have a HBM packing APU.
Oh yes pretty much. Now if memory prices would go down, we will be very happy.Why would anybody buy a dual core again if you can get a Qaud core 3.7Ghz for 99$ with IGP?
I really think this Ryzen 2200G is one of the most disruptive products that AMD has ever created. It basically makes all competing desktop dual cores obsolete.
4266 MHz RAM should bring 68 GB/s bandwidth, right?
I am willing to do at some time this year experiment with building SFF mini PC, with Ryzen 5 2400G, and 4266 MHz RAM on good mITX MoBo and test if it will make any difference, in performance for both: CPU and GPU. In my country the price for 8 GB 4266 MHz RAM is not that bad(around 220$, with VAT, and taxes).
Isn't it 4266MT/s and 2133MHz RAM that you're talking about?4266 MHz RAM should bring 68 GB/s bandwidth, right?
I am willing to do at some time this year experiment with building SFF mini PC, with Ryzen 5 2400G, and 4266 MHz RAM on good mITX MoBo and test if it will make any difference, in performance for both: CPU and GPU. In my country the price for 8 GB 4266 MHz RAM is not that bad(around 220$, with VAT, and taxes).
Raven Ridge should in theory work with 2400 MHz RAM.Isn't it 4266MT/s and 2133MHz RAM that you're talking about?
AMD has launched more laptop apus than desktop ones. Doesn't that mean more desktop apus will be announced at later date? Or this will be it?
Raven Ridge should in theory work with 2400 MHz RAM.
I was thinking of making an experiment and using 4266 MHz RAM and do some testing, how will it affect performance, IF it is possible that IMC is able to cope with such speed.
Ryzen's IMC is very good, and is able to get very high clocks on memory. I don't think AMD has changed that for Raven Ridge, but... it still is TBC.
What I meant is 4266MHz RAM would mean DDR4 8532. What you probably want to say is you want to experiment with DDR4 4266 which would mean 2133MHz RAM.Raven Ridge should in theory work with 2400 MHz RAM.
I was thinking of making an experiment and using 4266 MHz RAM and do some testing, how will it affect performance, IF it is possible that IMC is able to cope with such speed.
Ryzen's IMC is very good, and is able to get very high clocks on memory. I don't think AMD has changed that for Raven Ridge, but... it still is TBC.
In the first post there was very important part that you may have missed:What I meant is 4266MHz RAM would mean DDR4 8532. What you probably want to say is you want to experiment with DDR4 4266 which would mean 2133MHz RAM.
That definately kills any AMD pre Ryzen chip. And kills all pre Sandy Bridge Intel ones..I'm still in awe that the 2200G will debut at $99! A true Quad-Core APU with Vega graphics? And unlike Intel's cheap throw away heatsinks, this should come with the Wraith Stealth Cooler which is actually very nice.
And plenty of good B350 Matx motherboards to choose from. Looks like i'll finally build a nice small HTPC to replace my old Phenom II power hog in the living room.
This is very interesting, if I were you I would spend a little more on the PSU, that allows for a future proof system ready for zen 2/3 plus Navi..this is perhaps what I intend to do.In the first post there was very important part that you may have missed:
4266 MHz RAM. Why do you think I did not know what I wanted to say?
This is Ryzen..This is AM4.... upgradability.Personally I wouldn't go above DDR4-3200 due to cost.
Its just a experiment. Most likely after some tests I will put it in my shop as an exposition .This is very interesting, if I were you I would spend a little more on the PSU, that allows for a future proof system ready for zen 2/3 plus Navi..this is perhaps what I intend to do.
This is Ryzen..This is AM4.... upgradability.
The ram will come in handy later .