AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

[whm1974]

This is very interesting, if I were you I would spend a little more on the PSU, that allows for a future proof system ready for zen 2/3 plus Navi..this is perhaps what I intend to do.

This is Ryzen..This is AM4.... upgradability.
The ram will come in handy later .

My next build will have 8 cores/16 threads, so maybe?

 

[SPBHM]

Why would anybody buy a dual core again if you can get a Qaud core 3.7Ghz for 99$ with IGP?


I really think this Ryzen 2200G is one of the most disruptive products that AMD has ever created. It basically makes all competing desktop dual cores obsolete.

if you can find the G4560 for its original price (I can locally right now), it still looks interesting against it, because in most games and basic usage with lower end discrete graphics it will make no visible difference.

but yes, the 2200G looks great, finally the APUs have a good CPU side, so you are not giving up a lot of CPU for the IGP, and the IGP is not too bad with 512SPs and the high clocks, but, it's not really a good gaming option when even with high end ram you are limited in the 50GB/s range, BUT since the 2200G is a properly good CPU, it makes sense even ignoring the decent IGP, and it's nice to have that free Radeon no doubt, it should be good for some 720P medium/ 1080P low on many recent titles, great for an HTPC (apart from the odd DRM limitations that seem to favor Intel for some formats)

R5 2400G should replace all low end build with RX 550 and GTX 1030.

I mean iGPU clock should be over 1400MHz to achieve that 2TFLOPS. I heard that it should overclock over 1650MHz and with decent ram.
At that speed it should easily replace GTX 1030 or RX 550 and yet you are getting 4C/8T for 170$.

well, based on the slides results I'm still seeing this class of card with over 50% advantage in some games (vs stock), so not really

2TF is nice for console style gaming, but not with 50-58GB/s memory, AMD made some gains in memory bandwidth efficiency but they are nowhere near the Nvidia Maxwell level, the RX 550 uses 112GB/s ram for a reason, they could've saved money using half the bandwidth easily (64bits), but even for a cheap 512SPs card like this they didn't.
not to mention that many will run those IGPs with DDR4 2400, so the GT 1030-RX550 advantage just gets bigger.

I can't really look at the 2400G with much enthusiasm because of the price (nothing new, their top APU was often overpriced at launch, but at least now you get a good CPU with a clear advantage with SMT enabled) and memory limitation, the 2200G looks a lot more interesting and disruptive, $70 is the difference, with that alone you can buy a GT 1030 in some places, and it will be better than the stock 2400G IGP easily, or you can save those $70 and with a little more get a RX 560/1050 class card which destroys those IGPs.

the 2400G looks badly priced because of how good the 2200G looks.
also the 2200G kills any interest I had for the i3 8100.

I'm certainly looking forward for some proper reviews of the IGP and OC

 

[turtile]

You can't only look at the cost of the APU but the total cost. AMD is clearly targeting OEMs with the product line (only 2 SKUs). Getting discrete level performance with one chip while using less power/space will save them a lot. Smaller motherboard, PSU, doesn't need an extra heatsink/GDDR5, and less testing for QA.

 

[whm1974]

Does anyone know about the Linux support for Raven Ridge CPUs? The Ryzen 3 2200G will be good upgrade for my dad if Linux is well supported.

 

[The Stilt]

R5 2400G should replace all low end build with RX 550 and GTX 1030.

Replace?
It is cheaper no doubt, but it's also nearly 20% slower than a RX 550, even when paired with 3200MHz DRAM (which isn't going to happen on OEM systems anyway).

 

[The Stilt]

Nope, that is maximum theoretical speed - calculated.

It depends on IMC, true memory latency (timings and subtimings). From what I heard (rumors - I won't post any link) Ryzen 2 and APU could hit 4000MT/s on DDR4 = 2000MHz on IMC. Which would be great deal. Theoretical 4000MT/s allows 64GB/s and with proper efficiency (good memory latency) would could see 60GB/s.

Anyway anything about 60Gb/s on dual channel is top notch. Seriously, Ryzen "is beating" quad channel of slower DDR3 with dual channel DDR4.

All current Zen based chips (ZP, RV, PR) have maximum theoretical MEMCLK ceiling of 8466MHz.
Regardless of that the officially supported maximum MEMCLK is either 2667 or 2933MHz with 1 DPC SR config, depending on the CPU.
Zeppelin cannot pass 3466MHz MEMCLK (on proper timings) and based on the Raven OC results published by AMD 3600MHz probably is close to it's actual ceiling as well.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Almost grinding to a halt. It's like better there than nothing at all.

Slightly OT, but I seem to remember EX performing best with SSE4.1/2 code.

great for an HTPC (apart from the odd DRM limitations that seem to favor Intel for some formats)

That sure is annoying. Not so much because of resolution (1080p@bluray-level bitrate is fine for all but the largest TVs), but because of HDR.

Then again, AMD hasn't made any comments about anything, so DRM support might just pop-up. The xbone can play UHD blurays after all, so you'd think there is -some- kind of high-level PlayReady support on AMD GPUs. Or they may just ignore that, since its a closed platform. Or there may be some custom HW in there.

 

[teejee]

Does anyone know about the Linux support for Raven Ridge CPUs? The Ryzen 3 2200G will be good upgrade for my dad if Linux is well supported.

Let's hope for Chromebooks with RR, that would more or less guarantee good linux support.

 

[cbn]

Is the Ryzen 3 2200G going to replace Ryzen 3 1200?

Also how is the CPU on the Ryzen 3 2200G expected to compare to the Ryzen 3 1200? I know it has less cache, but there is only 1 CCX.

 

[Shivansps]

Those results are underwhelming to say at least. The gaming results are compared to the Intel IGP just to make it look good... Not Bristol Ridge comparison or 550/1030 gaming comparison.

 

[IRobot23]

All current Zen based chips (ZP, RV, PR) have maximum theoretical MEMCLK ceiling of 8466MHz.
Regardless of that the officially supported maximum MEMCLK is either 2667 or 2933MHz with 1 DPC SR config, depending on the CPU.
Zeppelin cannot pass 3466MHz MEMCLK (on proper timings) and based on the Raven OC results published by AMD 3600MHz probably is close to it's actual ceiling as well.

I meant for dram @ 4266MT/s. Thanks for info.

Yeah, I saw that slide also @3600MT/s DRAM + OC 1675MHz on iGPU and ~4000p in 3dMark FireStrike.

Anyway, at 2400MHz @ Stock @ 65 W TDP it still scores 50% better (~3000p fire strike) than A12 9800, which is great indeed. And you are getting 4C/8T, basically a decent CPU for incredible price of ~170$.

Pricing surprised me the most. 100$ and 170$ is really nice pricing.

 

[Shivansps]

Also those things are super expensive, the 9600 goes for $70 right now, 7600 and 9600 are the prime sellers, even the 2200G looks more like a A12-9800 replacement, where are A8-9600 and A10-9700 replacements?

Not to mention A4-7300 / A6-9500.

 

[IRobot23]

Also those things are super expensive, the 9600 goes for $70 right now, 7600 and 9600 are the prime sellers, even the 2200G looks more like a A12-9800 replacement, where are A8-9600 and A10-9700 replacements?

Not to mention A4-7300 / A6-9500.

There is mobile chip 2C/4T (+3CUs) maybe later in this year, but I don't think so since AMD is still offering bristol ridge. So probably you will need to wait to the end of 2018.

If you look by performance A12 9800 vs R3 2200G, R3 is basically good upgrade on both CPU/GPu sides. GPU mostly, because of better IMC and DRAM support and also IF. CPU has 4 decent cores (not sharing anything, expect L3).

You could say that R3 2200 replaces A12 9800 with at least 30% of CPU/GPU improvement. R5 2400G is completely different lvl in CPU perf. than A12.


IF you like your current APU then you should love Ryzen/VEGA APU. Just buy decent ram 2993MHz+.

 

[Shivansps]

There is mobile chip 2C/4T (+3CUs) maybe later in this year, but I don't think so since AMD is still offering bristol ridge. So probably you will need to wait to the end of 2018.

Wait, they are going to keep Bristol Ridge alive?!

 

[Shivansps]

There is mobile chip 2C/4T (+3CUs) maybe later in this year, but I don't think so since AMD is still offering bristol ridge. So probably you will need to wait to the end of 2018.

If you look by performance A12 9800 vs R3 2200G, R3 is basically good upgrade on both CPU/GPu sides. GPU mostly, because of better IMC and DRAM support and also IF. CPU has 4 decent cores (not sharing anything, expect L3).

You could say that R3 2200 replaces A12 9800 with at least 30% of CPU/GPU improvement. R5 2400G is completely different lvl in CPU perf. than A12.


IF you like your current APU then you should love/VEGA ryzen APU. Just buy decent ram 2993MHz+.

Ok, that starts to be acceptable, but again, what happens with the lower end? going high end with the APU is never a good idea, the top seller APU was the 7600, and the 7300, and even the A4-4000 (yes that still a thing), now it is the 9600.

 

[IRobot23]

Wait, they are going to keep Bristol Ridge alive?!

They haven't say that. No they are not going to produce more of bristol ridge, but until supply is there ... then replacement will arrive.

 

[IRobot23]

Ok, that starts to be acceptable, but again, what happens with the lower end? going high end with the APU is never a good idea, the top seller APU was the 7600, and the 7300, and even the A4-4000 (yes that still a thing), now it is the 9600.

Yes, but A8 7600 launch price was over 100$.

Let me tell you this way:
R3 2200G (8MB L3) = R3 1200 with 1x CCX (R3 1200 shared 2xCCX - 4MB L3 per CCX), higher clocks and 8 VEGA CUs than can clock higher than 1600MHz.

So if you buy R3 2200G and you overclock iGPu to 1500MHz = 1,5 TFLOPs with decent ram you can get near performance of RX 550/GT 1030 with R3 1200 underhood.

You are not going to see 4C with iGPU for less money.

 

[ao_ika_red]

There is mobile chip 2C/4T (+3CUs) maybe later in this year, but I don't think so since AMD is still offering bristol ridge. So probably you will need to wait to the end of 2018.

I remember it once showed up on leaked slide and it's called "Banded Kestrel" chip. Socketed version of BK will be a massive upgade for those who use a dead slow AM1 platform as their SFF / HTPC APU.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Why would anybody buy a dual core again if you can get a Qaud core 3.7Ghz for 99$ with IGP?


I really think this Ryzen 2200G is one of the most disruptive products that AMD has ever created. It basically makes all competing desktop dual cores obsolete.

Indeed. I will get one and make a little box and connect it to my 4k tv for media/internet. Perfect for that.

 

[Shivansps]

They haven't say that. No they are not going to produce more of bristol ridge, but until supply is there ... then replacement will arrive.

Thats really a problem, see, the A4-4000 and A4-7300 are keeping FM2 still alive at low end (the A4-4000 may not be avalible anymore on the US), and the 9600 is going strong now. The 2200G and the other one are super expensive APU that i could not care less, the price range is too high, people who look for a cheap pc that can run games picks up the 9600, anything else, and they shift to the basic entry level with dgpu, a pentium G4600 with 1050 2gb and 8GB 2133 single channel ram, what is a massive upgrade over the APU for gaming. That is why the 9800 does not sell very well here.

So im more interested on the 9600 replacement, and what is below it, because right now the A4-4000 and 7300 ARE the entry level.

 

[Shivansps]

Why would anybody buy a dual core again if you can get a Qaud core 3.7Ghz for 99$ with IGP?


I really think this Ryzen 2200G is one of the most disruptive products that AMD has ever created. It basically makes all competing desktop dual cores obsolete.

Well ask AMD why they launched the 2C/2T 9500 because i still dont understand. The 9600 is a $70 4C/4T with way better igp than Pentium and I3s, the 2200G returns the status quo to the I3-6100/7100 vs A8-7600/7700/7800 era. That is not really disruptive, we are in the exact same place as before, but whiout any good entry level chip.

 

[IRobot23]

Thats really a problem, see, the A4-4000 and A4-7300 are keeping FM2 still alive at low end (the A4-4000 may not be avalible anymore on the US), and the 9600 is going strong now. The 2200G and the other one are super expensive APU that i could not care less, the price range is too high, people who look for a cheap pc that can run games picks up the 9600, anything else, and they shift to the basic entry level with dgpu, a pentium G4600 with 1050 2gb and 8GB 2133 single channel ram, what is a massive upgrade over the APU for gaming. That is why the 9800 does not sell very well here.

So im more interested on the 9600 replacement, and what is below it, because right now the A4-4000 and 7300 ARE the entry level.

I don't think you understand the situation.

Desktop market is for high performance CPU/dGPUs and thats why AMD was loosing a lot on CPU side. Currently they have many problems on GPU side. You should know that.

FM2 is dead, if AMD could make someprofit with A9 9600....
Check this:
I AM from EU (not GER), but I look on mindfactory
- https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-A8-Series-9600-4x-3-10GHz-So-AM4-BOX_1185719.html
~260 sold
- https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-A8-Series-A8-7600-4x-3-10GHz-So-FM2--BOX_970976.html
~ 5000 sold

R5 1600
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600-6x-3-20GHz-So-AM4-BOX_1159710.html
~ not even a year yet over 18000 sold!

So if you offer more than you can charge more!

3. Just try R3 2200G, if you want good APU.
- Yes, it is 100$, which is not a lot.
- 4C decent cores, way faster
- 8 CUs VEGA (vs 6CUs A8 9600)
- WAY BETTER IMC (integrated memory controller) - thats main thing in APU, with better IMC older APUs would be faster
- 8MB of L3 cache (older APUs had only L2 cache - A8 9600 only 1 MB per module)
Do you realize that you are getting i5/(i3 coffee lake) performance and for 100$?

Well ask AMD why they launched the 2C/2T 9500 because i still dont understand. The 9600 is a $70 4C/4T with way better igp than Pentium and I3s, the 2200G returns the status quo to the I3-6100/7100 vs A8-7600/7700/7800 era. That is not really disruptive, we are in the exact same place as before, but whiout any good entry level chip.

No we are not!
AMD didn't make any "dramatic" CPU change in that time. A8 6600K ~ A8 7600 ~ A8 9600. In fact A8 6600K, if overcloked to 4,5GHz should win easily. They change iGPU, but it didn't matter since IMC wasn't improved.

So every year you got almost same performance with lower power and new features.

Comparing them to R3 2200G, which would destroy them in CPU power. No, not even A12 9800 at 4,5GHz could match R3 2200G at stock. Even 2C/4T Ryzen at 4GHz would beat all of them.

So what AMD did:
1. AMD set new way better APU priced at 100€+
2. Price cut on older APU which are AM4 compatible.
- If you don't need more power, you can get A9 9600 for less than 60$ on new AM4 socker with DDR4 support.
- Since you bought AM4 you can upgrade to 8 Cores 16 threads and buy dGPU or maybe in future you might get MCM APU with HBM.

For for end user, AMD did what we want.
Decent performance at decent price on 1 socket!

 

[Shivansps]

I don't think you understand the situation.

Desktop market is for high performance CPU/dGPUs and thats why AMD was loosing a lot on CPU side. Currently they have many problems on GPU side. You should know that.

FM2 is dead, if AMD could make someprofit with A9 9600....
Check this:
I AM from EU (not GER), but I look on mindfactory
- https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-A8-Series-9600-4x-3-10GHz-So-AM4-BOX_1185719.html
~260 sold
- https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-A8-Series-A8-7600-4x-3-10GHz-So-FM2--BOX_970976.html
~ 5000 sold

R5 1600
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600-6x-3-20GHz-So-AM4-BOX_1159710.html
~ not even a year yet over 18000 sold!

So if you offer more than you can charge more!

3. Just try R3 2200G, if you want good APU.
- Yes, it is 100$, which is not a lot.
- 4C decent cores, way faster
- 8 CUs VEGA (vs 6CUs A8 9600)
- WAY BETTER IMC (integrated memory controller)
- 8MB of L3 cache (older APUs had only L2 cache - A8 9600 only 1 MB per module)
Do you realize that you are getting i5/(i3 coffee lake) performance and for 100$?



No we are not.
AMD didn't make any CPU change in that time. A8 6600K ~ A8 7600 ~ A8 9600. In fact A8 6600K, if overcloked to 4,5GHz should win easily.

Comparing them to R3 2200G, which would destroy them in CPU power. No, not even A12 9800 at 4,5GHz could match R3 2200G at stock. Even 2C/4T Ryzen at 4GHz would beat all of them.

I think YOU dont understand i dont care if the APU is unlocked or if it can OC, or if the 1600 sells very well. Im not buying APU for myselft. I work on a computer shop outside US, i build pc configurations, and if i tell you the A12-9800 is crap at sales, the 9800 is crap at sales, period. Im not interested on its replacement, the price range is just too high, unless it can rival a 1050 with 2Gb paired with a G4600/8100/R3 1200, then we can start talking. The number of people who buy a 9700-9800 is insignificant compared to 9600 or starter configs with 1050.

And to give you a reality check, with the increasing price of ram sticks i had to roll back several configs to 4GB-2400 SC, incluiding some 9600 and G4600/1050, and those are selling most right now, that idea of pairing a $100 2200G with super expensive dual channel RAM, and expect to sell well or disrupt anything is just out of place, i have trouble beliving it could even work on the US. Yes people like us may look for the best for a very specific task, but thats not the bulk of the sales.

So i will ask again, nicely as i did before, where it is A8-9600 and A6-9500/A4-7300 replacements? Or we are looking at a considerable price increase for the most basic entry level configuration here? Phasing out the 9600/7300 in favor of 2200G at $100 is the worse thing AMD can do to buyers. Phasing out the G4570 in favor of G4600 level worse.

 

[IRobot23]

For the last time:
We have answered you. They got no replacement yet, only price cut.

A12 9800 has bad performance for its money. It is just not worth 100$.
If we compare A8 9600 and R3 2200G, I would definitely advise everyone to buy R3 over A8 for home PC.

Any for YT, office and maybe a game then A6 9600 is suitable.
While R3 2200G is here to replace low end dGPU. So instead of putting 4Gb SC and GT 1030 you will put 8GB of DDR4 3200MT/s and R3 2200G.

 

[Shivansps]

For the last time:
We have answered you. They got no replacement yet, only price cut.

A12 9800 has bad performance for its money. It is just not worth 100$.
If we compare A8 9600 and R3 2200G, I would definitely advise everyone to buy R3 over A8 for home PC.

The problem is this, people come and ask for a pc that can run games, the 9600 IS the starting option, thats the cheaper option that can run games at 720P. But when they ask for something better they dont even look at the middle options, they just jump to one configuration with the 1050.

To make out some numbers:

Lets say:
the starter A8-9600 with 2x4GB-2400 $400,
the A10-9700 with 2x4GB-2400 $450
A12-9800 with 2x4GB-2400 $500
G4600/1050 2GB/1x8GB-2400 $700
-again not real numbers-

Just to give out some numbers, the cheaper option is the G4600/1050/4GB and still kicks APU ass even if they have 8GB dual channel.

People go with the $400 9600 option as the cheaper option most of the time, and then they jump directly to one of the 1050 configs, because, 1)nvidia, 2)integrated video is a bad word and 3)there is a huge jump in performance as well. Using more expensive ram stick increasing the price of APU configurations certanly dosent help. the Averange joe does not even consider 8GB dual channel on the 9600 as important, because 4GB version is picking up the sales as ram prices increase now. And i really dont think it is that much different in the US.

So the 2200G and 2400G are really uninteresting APUs at those prices, for OEMs at least. performance may be better, but for games you need to aim to the 1050 not the 1030. Unless they phase out the 9600 leaving no choice.