AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

[Insert_Nickname]

Windows 10 works fine on low power devices which have 4GB of RAM and less.

8GB won't be a problem in normal usage.

Actually, you can run the x86 version with only a single GB. Its just -slow-. But then again, an HP Stream7 won't win any benchmarks.

I wouldn't advise going under 2GB for the x64 version.

 

[raghu78]

Any review showing performance difference between DDR4 2400 and 3200 on Raven?

Yeah here are a couple of reviews. DDR4 3200 is 30-35% faster than DDR4 2133 and 25-30% faster than DDR4 2400.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1574-amd-ryzen-5-2400g-and-ryzen-3-2200g/page8.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2400G_Vega_11/17.html

 

[3DVagabond]

It really takes the budget out of budget to be honest... With current ram prices it´s not even logical to budget build with new parts because of it.

RAM is the same price no matter which iGPU processor you buy.

Maybe you could find some used RAM? /sarc

 

[whm1974]

RAM is the same price no matter which iGPU processor you buy.

Maybe you could find some used RAM? /sarc

Compared to what it used to be, RAM prices are rather high.

 

[mohit9206]

I just don't get the ongoing obsession in this now 60+ page thread comparing gaming performance to an essentially irrelevant to gaming GPU, the GT 1030. This is not the market to go after, it's not even a market that exists. As others pointed out, GT 1030 mainly sells to people wanting upgraded outputs on older computers, not for gaming.

RR is all about AMDs first APU that can match Intel on the CPU side, while beating it on the GPU side (which it has always done).

The real news here is the CPU improvement that gives it the overall win, not the GPU performance which AMD has been winning against Intel as long as AMD has had an APU.

But people do buy cards like 1030 for gaming. Mostly second and third world countries.You need only take one look at toms hardware front page of gpu forum to see how many people buying low end cards for gaming because thats all they can afford.

 

[Peter Watts]

RAM is the same price no matter which iGPU processor you buy.

Maybe you could find some used RAM? /sarc

And that's why the cheaper 2200G looks more attractive from a budget stance...

The money saved can go into the ram.

 

[nathanddrews]

But people do buy cards like 1030 for gaming. Mostly second and third world countries.You need only take one look at toms hardware front page of gpu forum to see how many people buying low end cards for gaming because thats all they can afford.

For a new budget build, the Ryzen APUs perform within 1% overall of the GT 1030 and offers a dGPU upgrade path. I would classify this as a TOTAL WIN for budget gamers building a new system. As the (mostly) proud owner and user of two GT 1030-based systems (SFF i5-2500(non-K) 4GB and SFF i5-3470 8GB), I feel the need to defend the GT 1030 as well as the entire concept of used/low-spec gaming. I bought the GT 1030 primarily for playing back my HDR UHD Blu-ray backups from my server, but I sometimes play Destiny 2 from the couch, Diablo 3, Rocket League, watch Dota 2 matches in-game, etc.

For example, I can play Destiny 2 at 1080p (no scaling) with HDR and a mix of low-medium settings between 32fps (heavy action) and 50fps (nothing happening, no one around). Destiny 2 is pretty well optimized for such a gorgeous-looking and fast-paced MMO. PUBG, this is NOT. If I frame-limit either system to 30fps, the gameplay feels identical to playing it on PS4/Xbone. The GT 1030 is, in my opinion, extremely underrated for a silent, low profile, $69 GPU that also includes full HEVC/HDR acceleration and DP1.4/HDMI2.0. It's a great little card to add to an older system, but it doesn't solve the problem of those older Sandy/Ivy systems lacking NVME, USB 3.1, etc.

With Ryzen APUs, you get the above experience plus better overall CPU performance, overclocking, modern IO, and a dGPU upgrade path for a low cost of entry. It is really fantastic. Even with DDR4-3200, I was able to build a budget system for under $300. I'd probably splurge in a few places, but I think I could still do it for less than $400.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Ryzen APU = No W7 GPU driver for onboard Vega GFX. dGPU required for W7.

That sucks, that really, really sucks.

I've got friends on Win7 64-bit, that could benefit from a Ryzen APU rig.

Edit: RX Vega drivers for Win10 and Win7 right on their drivers home page. Who said that they didn't have Win7 drivers?

 

[The Stilt]

You should be able to manually install any of the RX Vega drivers (Win 7) for Vega 8 / Vega 11.
Sounds funny but it should work fine.

 

[LTC8K6]

You should be able to manually install any of the RX Vega drivers (Win 7) for Vega 8 / Vega 11.
Sounds funny but it should work fine.

Yeah, there are Win7 Vega graphics card drivers, so it seems odd that AMD would not have drivers for the APUs.
Perhaps they just aren't ready yet?

 

[Abwx]

So much about the 2200G alleged better value, the 2400G sell better apparently in Germany for the first 24H, wich was to be expected as Ryzen 4C/8T sold twice as much as the 4C/4T siblings :

https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Prozessoren+(CPU)/AMD+Desktop.html

Mindfactory is the biggest german retailer, of course this is surely different in lower income countries.

 

[The Stilt]

Yeah, there are Win7 Vega graphics card drivers, so it seems odd that AMD would not have drivers for the APUs.
Perhaps they just aren't ready yet?

IIRC AMD has said that Win 10 1709 is required for the APU to work properly.
So based on that I find Windows 7 support pretty unlikely, which would be a shame.

 

[BSim500]

That sucks, that really, really sucks.

I've got friends on Win7 64-bit, that could benefit from a Ryzen APU rig.

Edit: RX Vega drivers for Win10 and Win7 right on their drivers home page. Who said that they didn't have Win7 drivers?

Well, according to this link:-
https://support.amd.com/en-us/download

Step 1 - APU / Processor With Graphics
Step 2 - Desktop APU
Step 3 - Ryzen 3/5 Processors With Vega Graphics

1 result = "Windows 10 - 64 bit"

^ That's the only listed option. Maybe it might work under W7 but simply isn't listed as such? Or maybe it's possible that discrete W7 Vega drivers may work, but then wasn't that what that guy with the 10hr video tried when he got his a day early only to crash, crash, crash? I mean if it used standard dGPU Vega drivers, then why send reviewers special APU drivers on a USB stick when that's the only driver that's changed as all the other chipset, etc, motherboard drivers are already there for the existing CPU's & boards. I don't have a Ryzen APU to test, but perhaps someone else here on W7 (or maybe someone with a spare HDD willing to just throw W7 on to test it once) can verify if the Vega dGPU drivers work stably (or if the W10 driver does install for W7)?

IIRC AMD has said that Win 10 1709 is required for the APU to work properly. So based on that I find Windows 7 support pretty unlikely, which would be a shame.

(Edit - just missed the above post). Have AMD definitely confirmed Ryzen APU's are W10 only?

 

[Mockingbird]

surprised by no win7 drivers. even more so considering people running igpu is more likely to use it as an office computer where its also likely its running 7 and not 10.
and if you are not interested in the gpu part, but still want a slightly updated ryzen architecture you must go win10.
how come? same chipsets.

Windows 7 is obsolete.

Pretty much any new computer would come with Windows 10.

(okay, maybe not Apple computers)

Yeah, there are Win7 Vega graphics card drivers, so it seems odd that AMD would not have drivers for the APUs.
Perhaps they just aren't ready yet?

It's not "odd" at all.

Pretty much any new computer would come with Windows 10.

The drivers for Radeon RX Vega supports Windows 7 because there are still people upgrading older computers that runs Windows 7.

AMD should drop support for Windows 7 soon though. waste of resources

 

[Mockingbird]

Well, according to this link:-
https://support.amd.com/en-us/download

Step 1 - APU / Processor With Graphics
Step 2 - Desktop APU
Step 3 - Ryzen 3/5 Processors With Vega Graphics

1 result = "Windows 10 - 64 bit"

^ That's the only listed option. Maybe it might work under W7 but simply isn't listed as such? Or maybe it's possible that discrete W7 Vega drivers may work, but then wasn't that what that guy with the 10hr video tried when he got his a day early only to crash, crash, crash? I mean if it used standard dGPU Vega drivers, then why send reviewers special APU drivers on a USB stick when that's the only driver that's changed as all the other chipset, etc, motherboard drivers are already there for the existing CPU's & boards. I don't have a Ryzen APU to test, but perhaps someone else here on W7 (or maybe someone with a spare HDD willing to just throw W7 on to test it once) can verify if the Vega dGPU drivers work stably (or if the W10 driver does install for W7)?


(Edit - just missed the above post). Have AMD definitely confirmed Ryzen APU's are W10 only?

Windows 7 is obsolete.

Pretty much any new PCs come with Windows 10.

 

[LTC8K6]

Can't be that obsolete if they keep supporting it.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/12/microsoft_windows_atp/

 

[Mockingbird]

Can't be that obsolete if they keep supporting it.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/12/microsoft_windows_atp/

That for OLD PCs.

Microsoft stopped selling Windows 7 a long time ago.

 

[LTC8K6]

That for OLD PCs.

Microsoft stopped selling Windows 7 a long time ago.

Selling it has nothing to do with supporting it with updates, though.
Win7 is not going to be retired until 2020.
At any rate, this is off topic.

 

[Mockingbird]

Selling it has nothing to do with supporting it with updates, though.
Win7 is not going to be retired until 2020.
At any rate, this is off topic.

As I said, pretty much any NEW computer would come with Windows 10.

Windows 7 is supported for OLD computers.

 

[maddie]

I dont understand how thats possible, heat is wasted energy, it needs to use more than that in order to do stuff.

I think you have a flawed understanding of energy flows. For all practical purposes, pretty much ALL of the energy supplied to a processor ends up as heat energy. The energy performs useful work (computation) in its transformation from a high grade (electrical energy) to low grade (heat) form.

There is no potential energy stored or kinetic energy obtained or matter transformation as a repository for the consumed energy. A minuscule amount will be dissipated as EM fields, but the far, far majority turns to heat. A measured 65 W CPU will dissipate 65 W heat to the cooler.

I suppose you can say that some of the energy is wasted heat due to resistance, etc, but this is a property of the materials used and cannot be remedied without changing designs. On the other hand, a superconducting, zero resistance material will still generate heat if useful work is extracted from the design it belongs to, eg a working motor with superconducting coils.

Heat is not necessarily wasted energy, but the end result of doing useful work.

 

[BSim500]

Windows 7 is obsolete. Pretty much any new PCs come with Windows 10.

I'm well aware of what new PC's come with, but the reason one of my two rigs (living room HTPC that does double duty as a "GOG box" / older gaming rig) is still on W7 is precisely because MS keep randomly breaking sh*t with W10 (whilst the same older games continue to work flawlessly on W7 with far less hassle...) As LTC8K6 said, W7 support ends "properly" on 2020 and is still working fine for hundreds of millions, so lets not derail the thread with W10 vs W7 arguments.

One reason I've been keeping an eye on these chips is possibly to swap a small cube (SG05) for a smaller dGPU-less "NUC" style case (kinda like the Streacom's) but obviously the driver situation changes that and given the choice, I'd rather keep the cube, dGPU and "it just works" W7 than mess around troubleshooting after every finicky W10 update.

 

[maddie]

But people do buy cards like 1030 for gaming. Mostly second and third world countries.You need only take one look at toms hardware front page of gpu forum to see how many people buying low end cards for gaming because thats all they can afford.

You'll be repeating this till blue in the face. In spite of some, including myself, repeatedly saying that lower income countries, besides having a huge user base, have a totally different market distribution than developed economies, some here will keep rolling out their biases as fact. I just keep laughing at the ignorance.

 

[Mockingbird]

I'm well aware of what new PC's come with, but the reason one of my two rigs (living room HTPC that does double duty as a "GOG box" / older gaming rig) is still on W7 is precisely because MS keep randomly breaking sh*t with W10 (whilst the same older games continue to work flawlessly on W7 with far less hassle...) As LTC8K6 said, W7 support ends "properly" on 2020 and is still working fine for hundreds of millions, so lets not derail the thread with W10 vs W7 arguments.

One reason I've been keeping an eye on these chips is possibly to swap a small cube (SG05) for a smaller dGPU-less "NUC" style case (kinda like the Streacom's) but obviously the driver situation changes that and given the choice, I'd rather keep the cube, dGPU and "it just works" W7 than mess around troubleshooting after every finicky W10 update.

Your HTPC is an old PC.

If you were building a new HTPC, you would be buying a copy of Windows 10 for it anyway.

 

[DiogoDX]

Brazil is a joke. Pre-order 2400G R$930 and in the same site have a i5 8400 for R$770.

 

[DiogoDX]

Any review showing performance difference between DDR4 2400 and 3200 on Raven?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGvwSuGXoTM

20:20 min mark