AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

[whm1974]

Personally I would buy the 2200G over any older preAM4 APU any day, as it is not that expensive for what you are getting.

 

[Shivansps]

They may be good as R3 1200 / R5 1400 replacements. Not as Bristol ridge replacement, yet.

 

[whm1974]

They may be good as R3 1200 / R5 1400 replacements. Not as Bristol ridge replacement, yet.

I will disagree, life is too short to bother with Bristol Ridge. The 2200G will be flying off shelves once available.

 

[denywinarto]

Been reading alot about ryzen's dependancy on ram clock..
I'm planning to buy alot of these, (havent decided r3 or r5) to supply a lan shop
Would there be a major performance drop if i were to use 2133 ram, compared to 2400?
DDR4 price is crazy now..

Also, is 70$ usd difference between r5 and r3 worth it?

 

[piesquared]

I'll be getting one for our office machine. For that price and that performance its a done deal.

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Probably go with 2400 RAM no point in cheaping out, even though for the workload lesser RAM would be all we need. 8 threads from Zen with a cutting edge Vega GPU loaded with features is plenty for us, so a few MHz faster RAM isnt going to slow it down at all on our workloads. Although we could always upgrade in the future if we wanted to. Might even have to pick up a Freesync monitor.

 

[ao_ika_red]

Would there be a major performance drop if i were to use 2133 ram, compared to 2400?

DDR4-2400 should be the bottom low, except for internet cafes (non gaming ofc). DDR4-3000 should be an ideal for 2200G, not so sure for 2400G, though. AMD won't show its detailed specification until Feb, 12th.

 

[neblogai]

A little offtopic- but now when we will be having integrated Vegas approaching RX550 performance- I wanted to ask about this GPU. RX550 comes with 512SPs (Lexa Pro)- but full die has 25% more SPs (Lexa XT-640SP) and I can not find info of it used anywhere at all, and it's almost a year after launch of this die. What would be explanation to this- especially when it could have offered BETTER performance than competition- GT1030?
I was thinking- Apple- but as far as I could find- they were only using some other older die as RX450 Pro; now slowest dGPUs are RX555 Pro and RX560 Pro, both based on Polaris11. Could it be that AMD made it for Apple, but Apple later decided not to use it- while still keeping AMD from releasing it to desktop?

 

[piesquared]

Come to think ot it with great single threaded performance in Ryzen faster RAM would make basically no difference for our use, multitasking performance is by far the most important factor. 8 threads at 99 bucks is excellent.
Plus i like the Radeon products and software from the Radeon team so thats a bonus.

These should be very popular.

 

[sirmo]

Come to think ot it with great single threaded performance in Ryzen faster RAM would make basically no difference for our use, multitasking performance is by far the most important factor. 8 threads at 99 bucks is excellent.
Plus i like the Radeon products and software from the Radeon team so thats a bonus.

These should be very popular.

The $99 2200g has the SMT disabled, so it's just 4 bare cores without additional threads. The $169 part has 8 threads. You would want the faster ram with the 2400g because the iGPU could really use it. With the $99 2200g you can just use the cheap RAM I don't think it would make much of a difference.

 

[ao_ika_red]

Come to think ot it with great single threaded performance in Ryzen faster RAM would make basically no difference for our use, multitasking performance is by far the most important factor. 8 threads at 99 bucks is excellent.
Plus i like the Radeon products and software from the Radeon team so thats a bonus.

These should be very popular.

Except if one want to do gaming / simulation stuff on it. Because with that SP count, it needs memory bandwidth as much as it can get. Oh, a bit correction $99 2200G only has 4 threads. $169 2400G is what you're looking for 8 threads. But, still, you wouldn't get that much threads from Intel 2 years ago.

 

[piesquared]

Correction, right 4 cores 4 threads. That would be plenty as well, but I may splurge a little more for the 2400 then anyway because I still like that deal.

 

[Sane Indian]

To make 2400G attractive, I think AMD may bundle it with its new Wraith Prism cooler. While 2200G may get plain Wraith Stealth cooler.

 

[AtenRa]

I think YOU dont understand i dont care if the APU is unlocked or if it can OC, or if the 1600 sells very well. Im not buying APU for myselft. I work on a computer shop outside US, i build pc configurations, and if i tell you the A12-9800 is crap at sales, the 9800 is crap at sales, period. Im not interested on its replacement, the price range is just too high, unless it can rival a 1050 with 2Gb paired with a G4600/8100/R3 1200, then we can start talking. The number of people who buy a 9700-9800 is insignificant compared to 9600 or starter configs with 1050.

And to give you a reality check, with the increasing price of ram sticks i had to roll back several configs to 4GB-2400 SC, incluiding some 9600 and G4600/1050, and those are selling most right now, that idea of pairing a $100 2200G with super expensive dual channel RAM, and expect to sell well or disrupt anything is just out of place, i have trouble beliving it could even work on the US. Yes people like us may look for the best for a very specific task, but thats not the bulk of the sales.

So i will ask again, nicely as i did before, where it is A8-9600 and A6-9500/A4-7300 replacements? Or we are looking at a considerable price increase for the most basic entry level configuration here? Phasing out the 9600/7300 in favor of 2200G at $100 is the worse thing AMD can do to buyers. Phasing out the G4570 in favor of G4600 level worse.

EU Prices taken from https://geizhals.eu


Core i3 8100 = from 106 Euro
Motherboard Z370 = from 103 Euro
Single 4GB DDR-4 2400MHz memory = from 36 Euro
GTX 1050 2GB = from 120 Euro

Total = 365 Euros

This setup is NOT RECOMMENDED for gaming, Im not 100% sure but i believe a lot of the new Game titles will not even start with only 4GB System ram.


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Ryzen 2200G = From 120 Euros (Lets say its more than 100 Euros at time of release Feb 12)
Motherboard B350 = from 60 Euro
2x 4GB DDR-4 3200MHz = from 83 Euro

Total = 263 Euros

If you overclock the iGPU to 1500MHz and with the 3200MHz memory, this setup will let you play the same games as the Core i3 8100 + GTX1050 system at a lower price.
But it will also allow you to play those games that the Core i3 8100 + GTX1050 cannot due to 4GB of system memory. The difference of 100+ Euros between the Core i3 8100 and Ryzen APU system can be put to a 22" FreeSync monitor that will eliminate any performance disadvantage the APU has but also will make the Ryzen APU a more complete system, that will also allow the user to upgrade in the future.

or

Ryzen 2200G = From 120 Euros (Lets say its more than 100 Euros at time of release Feb 12)
Motherboard B350 = from 60 Euro
2x 4GB DDR-4 2400MHz = from 72 Euro
GTX 1050 2GB = from 120 Euro

Total = 372 Euros

Both of the Ryzen 2200G systems above are way better than the Pentium G4560 in every imaginable way (CPU, GPU, Memory, Upgradability etc etc).

Edit: Changed to Core i3 8100

 

[ao_ika_red]

Motherboard Z370 = from 103 Euro

Whoops, a bit off with that one. H110 should be more appropriate for that chip.

 

[SPBHM]

Whoops, a bit off with that one. H110 should be more appropriate for that chip.

that, you can get H110 boards under 50 Euros on that site easily.

and building specs with 4GB makes absolutely no sense.

G4560 + h110 + 8GB + 1050 is a lot faster for gaming than even the 2400G + DDR4 3600, not even close.

 

[sirmo]

that, you can get H110 boards under 50 Euros on that site easily.

and building specs with 4GB makes absolutely no sense.

G4560 + h110 + 8GB + 1050 is a lot faster for gaming than even the 2400G + DDR4 3600, not even close.

It's more expensive and it can't be put into a compact ITX case without a space for GPU.

Something like this for instance: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811321024&ignorebbr=1

It's upgrade path is also worse if you put it in a bigger case.

 

[frozentundra123456]

that, you can get H110 boards under 50 Euros on that site easily.

and building specs with 4GB makes absolutely no sense.

G4560 + h110 + 8GB + 1050 is a lot faster for gaming than even the 2400G + DDR4 3600, not even close.

Yea, I would charitably call that a "mismatched" comparison. As you said, the 2200, especially with DDR 2400 will be in a totally different performance tier (lower obviously) than a 1050. In fact, I want to see some independent benchmarks from reliable sites in a variety of titles to see if it even matches a 1030.

 

[sirmo]

Yea, I would charitably call that a "mismatched" comparison. As you said, the 2200, especially with DDR 2400 will be in a totally different performance tier (lower obviously) than a 1050. In fact, I want to see some independent benchmarks from reliable sites in a variety of titles to see if it even matches a 1030.

2200 will be significantly slower than 1030 especially with that RAM. 2400g could come close to 1030 if you OC it and the RAM to 3600Mhz.

But it doesn't matter, it's still a better CPU and iGPU than the g4560 for the money.

 

[neblogai]

G4560 + h110 + 8GB + 1050 is a lot faster for gaming than even the 2400G + DDR4 3600, not even close.

This is a good budget build, but it comes with it's own disadvantages, and there are also other good budget builds. For light gaming, I'd put it like this- from cheapest to more expensive ones:
1) Just A8 9600 (cheap mobo, and with 2x4GBGB like all others) for most budget gaming. Negative: CPU will be a bottleneck in new games and especially if dGPU is added at some point later- making it more costly to properly upgrade.
2) Just 2200G (+$30). Positive- later dGPU upgrade will be cheap and easy, and CPU should hold, but on it's own it is just 720p low/mid gaming system.
3) Just 2400G with a bit faster RAM (+$70+$20). Perfect temporary system to save up/wait for dGPU upgrade in a few month time. And then it can last a long time.
4) G4560 + h110 + 8GB + RX560/1050 (+$100 for dGPU). Great system for today, although running AC or Battlefield1 Multiplayer may already be problematic. CPU and GPU may need to be upgraded quite soon.
5) 2200G+ 1050/RX560 2GB (+$30 +$100): Good system, but GPU with 2GB VRAM might run into problems in next years.
6) 2200G + RX560 4GB + Freesync, or GTX1050Ti (+$30 + $150): should last for 1080p for a long time without upgrades.
All of these configurations make sense, but for people I like- I'd recommend 2), 3), or 6). That is- to get a system that will hold with the least number of parts soon needing the upgrade/to be thrown out- which is costly.
Also- there is a population of gamers that play only the same few relatively light games year after year, and do not care about other games. For them- 1), 2) or 4) may be perfectly sufficient.

 

[whm1974]

This is a good budget build, but it comes with it's own disadvantages, and there are also other good budget builds. For light gaming, I'd put it like this- from cheapest to more expensive ones:
1) Just A8 9600 (cheap mobo, and with 2x4GBGB like all others) for most budget gaming. Negative: CPU will be a bottleneck in new games and especially if dGPU is added at some point later- making it more costly to properly upgrade.
2) Just 2200G (+$30). Positive- later dGPU upgrade will be cheap and easy, and CPU should hold, but on it's own it is just 720p low/mid gaming system.
3) Just 2400G with a bit faster RAM (+$70+$20). Perfect temporary system to save up/wait for dGPU upgrade in a few month time. And then it can last a long time.
4) G4560 + h110 + 8GB + RX560/1050 (+$100 for dGPU). Great system for today, although running AC or Battlefield1 Multiplayer may already be problematic. CPU and GPU may need to be upgraded quite soon.
5) 2200G+ 1050/RX560 2GB (+$30 +$100): Good system, but GPU with 2GB VRAM might run into problems in next years.
6) 2200G + RX560 4GB + Freesync, or GTX1050Ti (+$30 + $150): should last for 1080p for a long time without upgrades.
All of these configurations make sense, but for people I like- I'd recommend 2), 3), or 6). That is- to get a system that will hold with the least number of parts soon needing the upgrade/to be thrown out- which is costly.
Also- there is a population of gamers that play only the same few relatively light games year after year, and do not care about other games. For them- 1), 2) or 4) may be perfectly sufficient.

For a decent gaming rig, I wouldn't put in a video card with less then 4GB of memory at this time.

 

[xblax]

G4560 + h110 + 8GB + 1050 is a lot faster for gaming than even the 2400G + DDR4 3600, not even close.

Then why not just building a 2200G + A320 + 8GB + 1050? It's only like 30$ more for a more future proof build that destroys the G4560 in CPU performance. And quad core instead of dual core is something customers understand and are willing to pay for.

Also the price difference between 8GB and 4+4GB is less than 10$. For any one not needing dedicated graphics a 2200G with slow dual channel ram will be be a decent entry system that's worth the money and offers a solid upgrade path.

 

[AtenRa]

Whoops, a bit off with that one. H110 should be more appropriate for that chip.

My bad , i wanted to put the Core i3 in that Setup. I will fix it.

 

[AtenRa]

and building specs with 4GB makes absolutely no sense.

I've misunderstood, I thought you said 4GB single , my bad.

G4560 + h110 + 8GB + 1050 is a lot faster for gaming than even the 2400G + DDR4 3600, not even close.

Next time your customer that you sold him this setup TODAY, will ask you to upgrade his dGPU, what will you tell him ?? to upgrade the CPU as well ??

Because that G4560 with a GTX1070/1080 (next year GTX2060) will have a lot of problems in 2018-2019 games.

 

[whm1974]

Then why not just building a 2200G + A320 + 8GB + 1050? It's only like 30$ more for a more future proof build that destroys the G4560 in CPU performance. And quad core instead of dual core is something customers understand and are willing to pay for.

Also the price difference between 8GB and 4+4GB is less than 10$. For any one not needing dedicated graphics a 2200G with slow dual channel ram will be be a decent entry system that's worth the money and offers a solid upgrade path.

I completely agree with you, the 2200G will be a pretty good deal once it's available. Along with a A320 board it should make a cheap system.

 

[Shivansps]

EU Prices taken from https://geizhals.eu


Core i3 8100 = from 106 Euro
Motherboard Z370 = from 103 Euro
Single 4GB DDR-4 2400MHz memory = from 36 Euro
GTX 1050 2GB = from 120 Euro

Total = 365 Euros

This setup is NOT RECOMMENDED for gaming, Im not 100% sure but i believe a lot of the new Game titles will not even start with only 4GB System ram.


---------

Ryzen 2200G = From 120 Euros (Lets say its more than 100 Euros at time of release Feb 12)
Motherboard B350 = from 60 Euro
2x 4GB DDR-4 3200MHz = from 83 Euro

Total = 263 Euros

If you overclock the iGPU to 1500MHz and with the 3200MHz memory, this setup will let you play the same games as the Core i3 8100 + GTX1050 system at a lower price.
But it will also allow you to play those games that the Core i3 8100 + GTX1050 cannot due to 4GB of system memory. The difference of 100+ Euros between the Core i3 8100 and Ryzen APU system can be put to a 22" FreeSync monitor that will eliminate any performance disadvantage the APU has but also will make the Ryzen APU a more complete system, that will also allow the user to upgrade in the future.

or

Ryzen 2200G = From 120 Euros (Lets say its more than 100 Euros at time of release Feb 12)
Motherboard B350 = from 60 Euro
2x 4GB DDR-4 2400MHz = from 72 Euro
GTX 1050 2GB = from 120 Euro

Total = 372 Euros

Both of the Ryzen 2200G systems above are way better than the Pentium G4560 in every imaginable way (CPU, GPU, Memory, Upgradability etc etc).

Edit: Changed to Core i3 8100

You can teorise whatever you want but im telling you what is happening right now and had been since the APUs showed up.
Also forget about overclock, common people has problems finding the power up botton, and you want them to overclock? CPU Upgradability is not a something people think off either, they mostly ask of ram... thats why 4GB systems are flying off the shelves right now.

Especially if you consider the 8100 (that is not really the cheaper option right now because of having to use a Z, if you want to put real numbers right now you should pick the 7100 and H110) when H310 drops by that is going to reduce the price by $40-50 based on your numbers and equal the H110/7100 combo. And considering you need to assign 2GB of ram to the IGP(its not like Intel where you can assign 32MB to the IGP and the rest is up to 4GB dynamic), there is not really that much of a difference in 4GB/1050 and 8GB/2200G, just 2GB real. And with the possibility of "adding more ram later if you need it" is what making 4GB a non issue for sales. And as i said earlier, people are even buying 4GB A8-9600s. I dont agree with selling 4GB systems in 2018 but i can do nothing about it with those ram prices and people buying them.

So as i said earlier, these looks fine as 1200/1400 replacements, not so much as Bristol Ridge reeplacements because the 2200G in price (and specs) reeplace the A12-9800, what is already a highly irrelevant APU. So it was the A10-7890K.