AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

[frozentundra123456]

I completely agree with you, the 2200G will be a pretty good deal once it's available. Along with a A320 board it should make a cheap system.

The 2200G seems like a good deal for a budget rig. But if IMO, one has to make a decision if he wants to buy an APU at all. If you are going to buy an APU, then you have to decide from the outset to accept the compromises it brings and settle for an ultra budget system. I dont buy all the hype about how great the upgrade path is. If one plans to upgrade, best to just save up a bit more, and get a Ryzen 1600/1600x or i5 8400 and a 1050 or higher class card from the outset. Upgrading just wastes time and money, and adding a discrete card cancels out the best part of an AMD apu, i.e. the igp.

 

[nathanddrews]

We should keep things in perspective. A 2200G or 2400G build on its own will be sufficient for most budget esports gaming. We're talking low end graphics here, as in a step up from Intel IGP. IMO, anyone planning to take things to the next level by adding a dGPU to tackle the newest games with higher settings and framerates would be foolish to get the 2200G in the long run. That 4C8T 2400G is going to be much more consistent over time if you go with a dGPU. That said, you would save money going with a 4C8T non-APU.

Are there any indications that these new APUs will perform CPU tasks like the Broadwell eDRAM chips did? Or is that on-chip HBM only for IGP functions?

EDIT: I'm confusing this with the new Intel chips with Vega/HBM. Nevermind!

 

[coercitiv]

Or is that on-chip HBM only for IGP functions?

Wait, what on-chip HBM?!

 

[nathanddrews]

Wait, what on-chip HBM?!

Did I misread the PR? I thought the new Ryzen APUs had 4GB on-chip HBM.

EDIT: I'm confusing this with the new Intel chips with Vega/HBM. Nevermind!

 

[Shivansps]

We should keep things in perspective. A 2200G or 2400G build on its own will be sufficient for most budget esports gaming. We're talking low end graphics here, as in a step up from Intel IGP. IMO, anyone planning to take things to the next level by adding a dGPU to tackle the newest games with higher settings and framerates would be foolish to get the 2200G in the long run. That 4C8T 2400G is going to be much more consistent over time if you go with a dGPU. That said, you would save money going with a 4C8T non-APU.

Are there any indications that these new APUs will perform CPU tasks like the Broadwell eDRAM chips did? Or is that on-chip HBM only for IGP functions?

The thing is, the 9600 already does that. The 2200G replaces the A12-9800, and high end APUs has been never very interesting. For the common people when buying a pc for playing games, they mostly think "if i need to spend more money ill go with one whiout integrated video". And they just skip the more expensive apus, plus, its NVIDIA, that must be good.

 

[coercitiv]

For the common people when buying a pc for playing games, they mostly think "if i need to spend more money ill go with one whiout integrated video".

So that rules out the entire Intel mainstream offering.

 

[Shivansps]

So that rules out the entire Intel mainstream offering.

Intel is like Nvidia for the common people, "its must be good" by definition.
Its not really easy to break that bias.

But, i dont know of anyone buying Intel for the integrated video over AMD... at least since the AM1 era ended. The only thing Intel IGP do better is the dynamic memory. What is not really a small thing with 4GB and pcs that are not going to run games. Some mbs come with default 512-1GB assigned to the igp, even for something as basic as a A4-7300, in a 4gb system that is significant, a Celeron G3930 whould only take 64mb of the 4GB of ram unless its needed (playing games).

Not sure of why AMD still dosent do this.

 

[rainy]

Also those things are super expensive, the 9600 goes for $70 right now,

You must have a very strange sense of humor calling APU for 99 dolars that way, especially it's superior to A8-9600 in any aspect.

Then why not just building a 2200G + A320 + 8GB + 1050? It's only like 30$ more for a more future proof build that destroys the G4560 in CPU performance. And quad core instead of dual core is something customers understand and are willing to pay for.

It is somehow hillarious that some Intel fans miss rather obvious option to add dGPU like GTX 1050 to 2200G and insist it's neccessary to buy more or less expensive RAM in 3200-3600 range instead.

 

[Shivansps]

You must have a very strange sense of humor calling APU for 99 dolars that way, especially it's superior to A8-9600 in any aspect.

Its funny when someone that has worked for years in the bussiness, tells you what is happening, suddenly people with no experience at all think they know better. Internet can be really amusing.

As i said eailier it may be different in other countrys, but i think it could be even worse in the US, as 100 bucks for a US citizen is probably not as much as 100 dollars here (20% minimun salary).

 

[prtskg]

Laptop Raven Ridge has dual core option. Probably at a later time, that'll come in desktop too. Then hopefully you will have more options than buying the costly apu of 99$.

 

[sirmo]

Depending on price, this thing might be sweet: https://imgur.com/a/1kxxO

 

[nathanddrews]

The thing is, the 9600 already does that. The 2200G replaces the A12-9800, and high end APUs has been never very interesting. For the common people when buying a pc for playing games, they mostly think "if i need to spend more money ill go with one whiout integrated video". And they just skip the more expensive apus, plus, its NVIDIA, that must be good.

While Ryzen APUs replace old AMD APUs in terms of the product stack, they blow them out of the water from a performance perspective. Not a good idea to apply the same logic used two years ago to today. Whereas old AMD APU were effectively a dead end road where CPU performance would severely bottleneck a dGPU, that isn't the case with Ryzen. There is actually an upgrade path.

 

[whm1974]

Depending on price, this thing might be sweet: https://imgur.com/a/1kxxO

Oh yes that does looks nice. put in the 2400G and some faster memory, along with a large SSD and this will be a nice HTPC or a SFF gaming box.

 

[whm1974]

Well I ask about the new APUs on the Manjaro Forums and they will be support by the 4.15 Linux Kernel. So that is good news for us Linux users.

 

[SPBHM]

Then why not just building a 2200G + A320 + 8GB + 1050? It's only like 30$ more for a more future proof build that destroys the G4560 in CPU performance. And quad core instead of dual core is something customers understand and are willing to pay for.
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I agree with you, that's the main thing with the new APUs, finally you get a good CPU side and you can easily justify buying it for discrete graphics usage, for CPU performance alone, and the 2200G is price well, also the clocks are high enough that you don't really need to buy B350 for OC.

the IGP is still not really that interesting for gaming due to memory bandwidth, I think there is validity in comparing the IGPs to cards like the RX 550 or the Intel IGPs, but once you start to consider cards like the 1050 for comparison, forget about the IGP, the performance is on a different level.

still, unless you have a 1060+ I think the G4560 is perfectly fine (less so with AMD cards, Digital Foundry showed in some videos that the RX 580 loses a lot more with the G4560 than the 1060 does), it's a dual core with HT, like i3s used to be 6 months ago.

 

[whm1974]

Just wondering, but how many are planning on doing a Ryzen APU build, either for themselves or for others?

 

[Asterox]

While Ryzen APUs replace old AMD APUs in terms of the product stack, they blow them out of the water from a performance perspective. Not a good idea to apply the same logic used two years ago to today. Whereas old AMD APU were effectively a dead end road where CPU performance would severely bottleneck a dGPU, that isn't the case with Ryzen. There is actually an upgrade path.

Not only by CPU/GPU peformance, because with any Raven Ridge Desktop APU you will get a much beeter stock CPU cooler.The chepest Wraith Stealth is much beeter/quiter than old AMD trash stock CPU cooler, who is packed with any Bristol Ridge APU as example A8-9600.You can even overclock Ryzen 3 CPU/APU cooled with Wraith Stealth CPU cooler.

In short, 100$ for Ryzen 3 2200G without any dilemma is unexpectedly good price.

 

[escrow4]

Don't lose sight of what this is for. It ain't for gamers, its a cheap all rounder. I picked up an i5 7600 non K in May 2016 for around 250 USD, if you can get most of the performance for $100 less - guess what AMD is targeting?

 

[Glo.]

Wait, I just have had some sort of enlightenment. Ryzen 5 2400G has 3.6 BASE clock and 3.9 GHz boost? For 169$, with integrated GPU, and 8 threads? Ryzen 3 2200G has 3.5 GHz base, 3.7 Boost and integrated GPU for 99$? All of this in 65W TDP?

I wonder what clocks we will get in 35W(2400S, and 2200S) versions of those CPUs.


That is actually mind blowing.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Are there going to be any R7 versions of these new APU's? Would Make for a pretty killer Media Box for the living room. If not then I will be waiting till Zen 2 All the way in April or May.

 

[Mockingbird]

Are there going to be any R7 versions of these new APU's? Would Make for a pretty killer Media Box for the living room. If not then I will be waiting till Zen 2 All the way in April or May.

Probably not.

I think AMD is going to reserve the desktop Ryzen 7 product line exclusively to Summit Ridge/Pinnacle Ridge.

 

[elpokor]

Ryzen 5 2400G has 3.6 BASE clock and 3.9 GHz boost? For 169$, with integrated GPU, and 8 threads? Ryzen 3 2200G has 3.5 GHz base, 3.7 Boost and integrated GPU for 99$? All of this in 65W TDP?
That is actually mind blowing.

nice clocks indeed, but notice that they halved the L3 cache of the CCX (4MB instead of 8MB in regular Ryzen5 1400). Is that enough to drastically reduce power per clock cycle? I'm curious to see whether it impacts single threaded performance or if it's just going to have an impact on SMT gains.

 

[IntelUser2000]

nice clocks indeed, but notice that they halved the L3 cache of the CCX (4MB instead of 8MB in regular Ryzen5 1400). Is that enough to drastically reduce power per clock cycle? I'm curious to see whether it impacts single threaded performance or if it's just going to have an impact on SMT gains.

On most of the modern CPUs, vast majority of the power use on a CPU is taken up by the core. L3 takes few single digit W.

 

[frozentundra123456]

We should keep things in perspective. A 2200G or 2400G build on its own will be sufficient for most budget esports gaming. We're talking low end graphics here, as in a step up from Intel IGP. IMO, anyone planning to take things to the next level by adding a dGPU to tackle the newest games with higher settings and framerates would be foolish to get the 2200G in the long run. That 4C8T 2400G is going to be much more consistent over time if you go with a dGPU. That said, you would save money going with a 4C8T non-APU.

Are there any indications that these new APUs will perform CPU tasks like the Broadwell eDRAM chips did? Or is that on-chip HBM only for IGP functions?

EDIT: I'm confusing this with the new Intel chips with Vega/HBM. Nevermind!

But if you are going to add a discrete card, and are concerned about "future proofing", a hex core 1600 or i5 8400 at 200.00 makes more sense than 170.00 for the 2400 APU.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Don't lose sight of what this is for. It ain't for gamers, its a cheap all rounder. I picked up an i5 7600 non K in May 2016 for around 250 USD, if you can get most of the performance for $100 less - guess what AMD is targeting?

You can also get the same performance for 120.00 less in an i3 8100.