It shouldn't use any if you have a dGPU.how much memory would the iGPU confiscate regardless if its used or not?
Thats not me, from the start i was talking about 1500-1600MHz and 3600 Memory.
I will tell you this,
Ryzen 2200G ($100) OC 1500-1600MHz + 2x 4GB DDR-4 3600 ($120) = Total of $220
Now find me any alternative you want with the same CPU and GPU performance + 2x 4GB Memory for the same price.
ps. I will not even mention the ability to upgrade to a 8C 16T CPU in the future or the ability to build a USFF system.
Bringing 2nd-hand stuff to this discussion is pretty pointless. Assume that most of the world does not have access to a used market where you can get Optiplexes worth 200$ where you can put a GTX 1050 or faster card without any hassle.Do used PCs count?
My SFF gaming rig which is just a regular old Dell Optiplex with i7 2600 / 16GB DDR3 / GTX 1050 (user upgraded obviously) cost me $250 AUD, which is approx $200 USD. Oh it includes Windows 10 and a HDD too, I might add.
Pretty sure it would crush the 2200G in gaming, twice the threads, twice the memory (without having to share with the iGPU) and most importantly. the GTX 1050 is probably at least twice as fast as the 2200G iGPU (probably 3x as fast but I'm being conservative here)
Happy to bench it in common benchmarks like 3DMark for comparisons sake
Bringing 2nd-hand stuff to this discussion is pretty pointless. Assume that most of the world does not have access to a used market where you can get Optiplexes worth 200$ where you can put a GTX 1050 or faster card without any hassle.
The problem I see with what Atenra is suggesting is that it's somewhat absurd to expect anyone buying a 2200G to spend a large sum of money on DDR4-3600 just so their iGPU will perform to its full 'potential'.
Gigabyte showed off a X470 motherboard at CES. Which supports up to DDR-4000. Quite a jump from X370. Gigabyte AORUS X470.Also, How well does the average 3600 RAM stick and average AM4 motherboard work together? I am not under the impression this just works with any stick + MB combination. But requires careful selection. Meaning Extra Premium Samsung B-Dies or some such thing, and then maybe some luck...
In the builds I have seen in this forums I have seen people struggle to get 3200MHz working, and don't remember anyone getting 3600MHz working.
Gigabyte showed off a X470 motherboard at CES. Which supports up to DDR-4000. Quite a jump from X370. Gigabyte AORUS X470.
Well obviously X470 isnt meant to be paired with these entry level APUs but with the Ryzen 7 and Threadripper CPUs.Does it make sense to get an expensive high end MB, and expensive high end ram, to squeeze a bit more out of the on board GPU of a $99 APU?
No, not really. I'm just liking the progress is all. It may, if the $99 CPU is just a temporary though and you're upgrading in say 6 months.Does it make sense to get an expensive high end MB, and expensive high end ram, to squeeze a bit more out of the on board GPU of a $99 APU?
Personally I'll choose 2200G and add 1030/1050 in a year or two.
Opting for 8GB as he suggested is also asking for trouble since ~2GB will be required by most games as a framebuffer, leaving only ~6GB for the OS and game itself. 8GB is considered the bare minimum for gaming these days and that's not accounting for an iGPU stealing memory.
Which leaves us with 16GB as the ideal amount of RAM, which unfortunately costs an arm and a leg right now.
Nope, except for SFF and/or cases where no option for dgpu is there. I have a In Win Chopin case ready for either a 2200G/2400G. I really like to tinker with apu's and getting the most out of them. Getting ram to as high as possible and see how I can get the best result with a game. Perhaps it's a fetish of some sorts xD. I hoped for a bit more performance, but will deal with what I get. Perhaps RX550 levels will be possible or be within reach with high oc. I don't care if I need to play on 30fps or even on 720p when required. Because for me there is not a lot of difference when playing on my tv. So I'm really excited about this apu.Does it make sense to get an expensive high end MB, and expensive high end ram, to squeeze a bit more out of the on board GPU of a $99 APU?
Thats not me, from the start i was talking about 1500-1600MHz and 3600 Memory.
I will tell you this,
Ryzen 2200G ($100) OC 1500-1600MHz + 2x 4GB DDR-4 3600 ($120) = Total of $220
Now find me any alternative you want with the same CPU and GPU performance + 2x 4GB Memory for the same price.
ps. I will not even mention the ability to upgrade to a 8C 16T CPU in the future or the ability to build a USFF system.
And i already have said it, if im building something to upgrade later, i would pick the A8-9600+GTX1050/RX560+1x8GB, i would not expend a single buck on the 2200G -or the 2400G for that matter-, even less on the consideration that i need to OC it, and 2x4GB is also really a bad idea if you plan to upgrade later.
Everyone seems to be bashing the Excavator cores, but they are really not that bad for the price, look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiXxkeyLiJ8
$70 - A8-9600
$120 - GTX1050 2GB
$90 - 8GB DDR4-2400
$280 It will fly circles around that 2200G, it can do 1080p, it has the full 8GB of ram avalible and you can drop in another 8GB of ram wharever you want. And if you can get the X4 950 even better,
It was never a matter if there is something better for the price, the point was if it worth it considering the alternatives or if it will even sell at all considering by price it is A12-9800 replacement, what it is a highly irrelevant APU right now.
Its also no fair, why you are going to use 2x4GB if you are not going to use the igp? you are really making more complicated future ram upgrades, as cheap motherboards have only 2 slots. Makes no sence to me. Also you need to waste 2GB of ram on the igp.
And i already have said it, if im building something to upgrade later, i would pick the A8-9600+GTX1050/RX560+1x8GB, i would not expend a single buck on the 2200G -or the 2400G for that matter-, even less on the consideration that i need to OC it, and 2x4GB is also really a bad idea if you plan to upgrade later.
Everyone seems to be bashing the Excavator cores, but they are really not that bad for the price, look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiXxkeyLiJ8
$70 - A8-9600
$120 - GTX1050 2GB
$90 - 8GB DDR4-2400
$280 It will fly circles around that 2200G, it can do 1080p, it has the full 8GB of ram avalible and you can drop in another 8GB of ram wharever you want. And if you can get the X4 950 even better,
Now, if i looking for non-gaming builds thats another thing enterely, the 8100 cant compete until H310 is launched, That is were those APU shines, on buiilds that you would be using 8100/8400 whiout dgpus.
Are you joking again?
2200G will demolish A8-9600 in CPU performance (also efficiency) for 29 dollars more.
If for some of your customers 30 bucks make such a difference, then I would advice to look rather for cheaper hobby than gaming on PC.
Not here, the non IGP versions of AMD apu were never avalible here, EVER. It may be avalible in the US.Athlon x4 950 not available?
I agree. Construction cores are not worth it. The price/performance difference is to big in advantage towards the 2200G.Athlon x4 950 not available?
It was never a matter if there is something better for the price, the point was if it worth it considering the alternatives or if it will even sell at all considering by price it is A12-9800 replacement, what it is a highly irrelevant APU right now.
Its also no fair, why you are going to use 2x4GB if you are not going to use the igp? you are really making more complicated future ram upgrades, as cheap motherboards have only 2 slots. Makes no sence to me. Also you need to waste 2GB of ram on the igp.
And i already have said it, if im building something to upgrade later, i would pick the A8-9600+GTX1050/RX560+1x8GB, i would not expend a single buck on the 2200G -or the 2400G for that matter-, even less on the consideration that i need to OC it, and 2x4GB is also really a bad idea if you plan to upgrade later.
Everyone seems to be bashing the Excavator cores, but they are really not that bad for the price, look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiXxkeyLiJ8
$70 - A8-9600
$120 - GTX1050 2GB
$90 - 8GB DDR4-2400
$280 It will fly circles around that 2200G, it can do 1080p, it has the full 8GB of ram avalible and you can drop in another 8GB of ram wharever you want. And if you can get the X4 950 even better,
Now, if i looking for non-gaming builds thats another thing enterely, the 8100 cant compete until H310 is launched, That is were those APU shines, on buiilds that you would be using 8100/8400 whiout dgpus.
Just wanted to point out that the G4560 CPU itself does support either DDR3 or DDR4, but it must be paired up with a mobo that supports that spec as well, and the DDR3-supporting boards, that also support Kaby Lake, are rather few and far between (at least in the USA).G4560 doesn't offer you great upgrade path, but who cares! It supports DDR3 which can be found much cheaper.
LOL. Now, really?Everyone seems to be bashing the Excavator cores, but they are really not that bad for the price,
This, totally.Are you joking again?
2200G will demolish A8-9600 in CPU performance (also efficiency) for 29 dollars more.
Only if Ryzen 2 supports those mobos.Does it make sense to get an expensive high end MB, and expensive high end ram, to squeeze a bit more out of the on board GPU of a $99 APU?
They will allow OC look at the AMD slides on the first page,the question is if the TDP will be locked or not because if it is locked then you will only be able to have one of the two components clocked to the mentioned specs while the other will have to be at idle...Btw, I haven't really read up on this, will the Ryzen APUs also allow overclocking, like the BR APUs and Ryzen CPUs? IOW, is every processor on AM4 platform, always unlocked?