Okay, x16 PCIE 3.0, x8 PCIE2.0 socket so 24 in total? Or x8 PCIE 3.0 + x8 2.0 PCIE. Didn't bristol ridge have only x8 PCIE 3.0?
Zeppelin has 32 total in the die, Raven has half that.
32 would have been excess as Raven is a mobile part after all.
Zeppelin has 32 total in the die, Raven has half that.
32 would have been excess as Raven is a mobile part after all.
Okay, x16 PCIE 3.0, x8 PCIE2.0 socket so 24 in total? Or x8 PCIE 3.0 + x8 2.0 PCIE. Didn't bristol ridge have only x8 PCIE 3.0?
I never mention the 1050TI thats an overpriced card and always was, i said the regular 1050, thats is not going to go anywhere far since with 2GB you cant mine etherum. The lack of other cards may push it a little bit upwards, but is not going to go anywhere.Checking Newegg for the Rx560, PowerColor is in stock at $140 and the Sapphire is in at $280. The 1050 is at the same price the 1050Ti was going for. Mean while the 1050Ti is close to $200. So it wouldn't surprise me if gamers brought RR APUs to tide them over until GPU prices come down.
Some people were suggesting using the APUs for dual graphics, but those specs say no.That doesn't sound right. I think the only reason why Zeppelin has only 24 lanes in use is because 8 lanes have been reserved for the APU part, so all Ryzen CPUs can have the same number of lanes exposed to the motherboard.
If Raven Ridge had only 16 lanes, how should it work in AM4 boards? Only 8 lanes to the x16 port? Because 4 lanes are required for the chipset and another 4 lines are needed for NVME.
btw: official DDR4 2933 support for 2200G and 2400G http://products.amd.com/en-us/search/APU/AMD-Ryzen™-Processors/AMD-Ryzen™-5-Processor-with-Radeon™-Vega-Graphics/AMD-Ryzen™-5-2400G/243
Well there is no other small VEGA dGPU to crossfire it with. Also the memory will be a problem there. With low end cards now running with gddr5Some people were suggesting using the APUs for dual graphics, but those specs say no.
This is good news and indicates we will be able to get higher RAM oc's compared to Ryzen 1x00. Perhaps an oc to 4000mhz is in the realm of possibilities with 25% more bandwidth compared to 3200mhz.btw: official DDR4 2933 support for 2200G and 2400G http://products.amd.com/en-us/search/APU/AMD-Ryzen™-Processors/AMD-Ryzen™-5-Processor-with-Radeon™-Vega-Graphics/AMD-Ryzen™-5-2400G/243
Dual graphics are a things of the past most likely. I never really understood why people would buy a second weak GPU along with their APU, when spending a bit more would give you better results on average.Some people were suggesting using the APUs for dual graphics, but those specs say no.
Dual graphics are a things of the past most likely. I never really understood why people would buy a second weak GPU along with their APU, when spending a bit more would give you better results on average.
And don't modern iGPUs provide more then one display output anyway?Dual graphics are a things of the past most likely. I never really understood why people would buy a second weak GPU along with their APU, when spending a bit more would give you better results on average.
Intel IGP's have provided more than one display output for a long time. The more modern ones provide three, like HD4000 series.And don't modern iGPUs provide more then one display output anyway?
Which eliminated the need for multiple dGPUs for most people.Intel IGP's have provided more than one display output for a long time. The more modern ones provide three, like HD4000 series.
Most DGPUs had support for several displays.Which eliminated the need for multiple dGPUs for most people.
Right, but at one time it was somewhat common to have at least two dGPU for more then one display until Matrox changed it.Most DGPUs had support for several displays.
Most of my recollection of the want of two or more GPUs was for the processing power, not for extra displays.
We haven't needed another GPU for extra displays for a very long time.
SLI and Crossfire were never for more displays. Neither is Explicit Multi-adapter in DX12.
They are all for more GPU horsepower.
16 in total.
Whatever the PCH requires is substracted from that.
Carrizo / Bristol Ridge has 12 lanes in total in the die.
Just a clarification for everyone. How it works is there are 32 PCIe lane. At max AM4 only allows 24 of those lanes to be accessible. This was to keep the Socket ZIF and not LGA per OEM and Mobo companies request. From those 24 PCIe lanes.
With Zeppelin those 24 lanes are split like this regardless of what chipset you are using. 16x PCIe lanes for PCIe 16x #1, 4x PCIe NVME, 4x PCIe to Chipset (all PCIe 3.0). With motherboards with a second PCIe 16x slot, the board splits the 16x into 8x/8x when the second is used. Some boards also redirect the M.2 PCIe 4x to a 4x Slot. For other PCIe slots they are usually PCIe 2.0 step downs from the Chipset (also the same for boards that support 2 NVME drives, the second is from the chipset and running at PCIe 2.0 speeds).
With Raven Ridge. The Lanes are split like this 8x is used internally as the physical transfer system for IF between GPU and CPU. 8x is sent to PCIe 16x #1. Boards with a PCIe 16x #2, the slot is disabled. 4x is reserved for NVME, 4x is sent to the Chipset. Same general idea as above, the NVME lanes can be used for a Slot, the chipset can step down and hand out other lanes for other slots.
For exact configuration and what slots are shared with other functionality refer to a prospective motherboards manual.
according to Asus X370 :
for Ryzen : M.2 is shared with PCIex16_2(PCI 3.0/2.0 x16 ) , AMD chipset XHCI Controller, ASMedia Connector
for APU : M.2 is shared with PCIex16_1 ( PCI 3.0/2.0 x16 ) , PCIe x1_2 ( PCI 2.0 X1 ), PCIe x1_3 ( PCI 2.0 X1 ) , Sata Controller
AMD Ryzen™ Processors
2 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)
AMD 7th Generation A-series/Athlon™ Processors
1 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x8 mode)
AMD X370 chipset
1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (max at x4 mode) *3
AMD X370 chipset
3 x PCIe 2.0 x1
No. That isn't the configuration. But my point wasn't about lane count it was about configuration the second 16x slot in almost all 370 and 350 boards is shared with the first 16x slot. Then there is usually a 4x electrical which is sometimes 16x physical that is shared with the primary m.2. sometimes even another one at PCIe 2.0 that is shared with second M.2.
On boards with a shared second PCIe 16x slot, the slot is disabled with an APU installed.
Don't believe me check the manuals.
AMD Ryzen series CPUs
- 2 x PCI Express 3.0 x16 Slots (single at x16 (PCIE2); dual at x16 (PCIE2) / x4 (PCIE4))*
AMD 7th A-Series APUs
- 2 x PCI Express 3.0 x16 Slots (single at x8 (PCIE2); dual at x8 (PCIE2) / x2 (PCIE4))*
- 4 x PCI Express 2.0 x1 Slots
- Supports AMD Quad CrossFireX™ and CrossFireX™**
*Supports NVMe SSD as boot disks
If M2_1 is occupied, PCIE4 will be disabled.
**This feature is only supported with Ryzen Series CPUs (Summit Ridge).
AMD Ryzen™ Processors
1 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode)
AMD 7th Generation A-series/Athlon™ Processors
1 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x8 mode)
AMD B350 chipset
1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (max at x4 mode) *3
2 x PCIe 2.0 x1
2 x PCI
Slots
• 1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slot (PCI_E2)
- Supports x 16 speed with RYZEN Series Processors
- Supports x 8 speed with 7th Gen A-series/ Athlon™ processors
• 1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (PCI_E4, supports x4 mode)*
• 2 x PCIe 2.0 x1 slots
• 2 x PCI slots
* PCI_E4 slot will become PCIe 2.0 x2 mode, when installing device in any PCIe x1 slot.
DX12 Multi-adapter was supposed to bring a return to multiple video cards, even with different cards, but it seems to have all but disappeared.
Didn't Intel buy that company? Can't remember the name....
When can we expect to see reviews?