AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

[B-Riz]

	Cores Threads	Base Freq	Turbo Freq	L3 Cache	TDP	MSRP
Ryzen 9 5950X	16c/32t	3400	4900	64 MB	105 W	$799
Ryzen 9 5900X	12c/24t	3700	4800	64 MB	105 W	$549
Ryzen 7 5800X	8c/16t	3800	4700	32 MB	105 W	$449
Ryzen 5 5600X	6c/12t	3700	4600	32 MB	65 W	$299

5600X comes with cooler, the rest do not.

above from https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...en-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu

 

[PJVol]

That being said, I'm curious to see what tips and tricks people might have for Zen 3, as I just snagged a 5600X today and may be a good time to do some further learning!

Can't see what cooling you're gonna use, but from my little experience it yields more performace, than it did to zen2. I had EK Al cooled parts since r5 1600, so can say LC is a must if you gonna get the most out of it.
Luckily I haven't seen any whea or other issues, just cleared cmos on MB, replace old 3600X and reinstall chipset drivers. Asrock then kindly provided me the latest beta bios with unlocked PBO Boost Override. So what I would pay attention to:

1. Looks like currently FCLK hardlimited to 1900 in bios (tbf haven't bothered)
2. For me it took some tuning to run more or less stable at 1900fclk/3800mt mem. I had to manually set vsoc to 1.1 / strongest LLC, vddp to 920mv, vddg to 1.02 and raise vdimm 20mv up (1.38 from 1.36).
3. Next is "rage mode":

• pbo limits: motherboard​
• scalar: 1x​
• boost override: 350​
• CO: -10 for 2 best cores, and -20 for the rest.​

May have missed something, but basically thats it. Pic below is some preliminary demo of what it is capable of. Anyway, feel free to ask for any details.

 

[amrnuke]

Can't see what cooling you're gonna use, but from my little experience it yields more performace, than it did to zen2. I had EK Al cooled parts since r5 1600, so can say LC is a must if you gonna get the most out of it.
Luckily I haven't seen any whea or other issues, just cleared cmos on MB, replace old 3600X and reinstall chipset drivers. Asrock then kindly provided me the latest beta bios with unlocked PBO Boost Override. So what I would pay attention to:

1. Looks like currently FCLK hardlimited to 1900 in bios (tbf haven't bothered)
2. For me it took some tuning to run more or less stable at 1900fclk/3800mt mem. I had to manually set vsoc to 1.1 / strongest LLC, vddp to 920mv, vddg to 1.02 and raise vdimm 20mv up (1.38 from 1.36).
3. Next is "rage mode":

• pbo limits: motherboard​
• scalar: 1x​
• boost override: 350​
• CO: -10 for 2 best cores, and -20 for the rest.​

May have missed something, but basically thats it. Pic below is some preliminary demo of what it is capable of. Anyway, feel free to ask for any details.

Just a plain ol' tower cooler (Cooler Master Hyper 212 LED). The case itself is fairly well ventilated (two 43 cfm intakes, two 43 cfm outputs). Not having an AIO may make things a little more restricted, but we'll see what I can get out of it! Thank you

 

[Kenmitch]

Sweet rig!! Your B-Die sticks are better quality than mine. I can do CR1 with Cas16, or CR2 with Cas15, but no Cas14 with quad sticks

I did buy 2 16GB kits, but wound up with consecutive serial numbers. Maybe it helps?

Looks like currently FCLK hardlimited to 1900 in bios (tbf haven't bothered)

The uEFI version/implementation hold the keys to the kingdom when it comes to FCLK and memory overclocking ability.

I have a really good set of 3200 CL14 b-die that have proven this many times on my rigs. One uEFI version I can go all the way to 4266MHz in 1:1 while other versions won't even boot 3800MHz in 1:1 mode.

Same ram, same cpu with the only variable being the uEFI versions. My spare parts build below with the 5600x is currently living proof. With the latest beta uEFI version the best she'll do is 3733MHz CL14 1:1 it looks like. I couldn't even get it to boot up at 3800MHz 1900 FCLK....Before the uEFI update I had no issues booting 4000MHz 2000 FCLK.

I managed to get the memory color pretty close to the RX on the 6800. It might be slightly off, but I think it looks better. I still have to work on another memory profile....Team red theme!



On another note after the exorcism of the evil Nvidia card from the above rig I was only missing 1 item to make a second rig.

I found this local yesterday for around $30 more then it would have cost me at Microcenter if I camped out overnight, spent around $15 in gas and wasted around 3hrs round trip fighting traffic....Well worth it for me.



I had to rip out the AIO from the front and mount it up top. Dealing with all the fan cables and rgb wiring kind of sucks on a compact case. The Aorus Master RTX 3070 barely fit.

She's not as pretty as my main rig. The stock pcie-e power cables look bad, I need to order another set of extensions for the rig....I took them out and used in my other rig.

 

[amrnuke]

Got the 5600X in place.
ASRock B450M Pro 4, latest BIOS
G.skill Trident Z RGB 3200CL16-18-18-38
Per Thaiphoon this is a Samsung B-die kit.

It won't even boot at 3400 with the default timings, even if I bump up the voltage a touch to 1.36V.
It BSODs when I plug in "safe" timings for 3200 from Ryzen DRAM calculator into the BIOS.
So I can't tighten the timings at rated MT/s, nor can I boost MT/s at same timings.

Seems IMC isn't the issue... Kind of turns me off of G.skill RAM to be honest, unless I'm missing something huge.

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That being said, the 5600X is really fast. I doubted I'd notice a difference in everyday use, and maybe I'm just particular, but this thing is just immediate.

Ambient temp 72F, case window off
Best of two runs:
Speedometer 2.0 -- 174.4
CB20 ST -- 600
CB20 MT -- 4609
CB23 ST -- 1538
CB23 MT -- 11929
GB5 ST -- 1598
GB5 MT -- 8572

I'm not sure what browser AT was running, but my score was much better than theirs, just in Chrome, Incognito mode, no extensions.
Was happy to see my CB20 ST match Anandtech / TPU score and MT run beat AT's score and TPU's stock score by a fair amount.
GB5 scores look good save for the MT score, which is oddly lower than AT's.

Of note, in CB20 and CB23 MT, this chip was holding a minimum 4.575-4.6GHz all-core boost and limited by thermals (throttling down at 80C). ST it just sat at 4.65GHz the whole time, raising temps over sleep by ~10C. I know there's more juice in this bad boy!

For just enabling PBO, base 3200CL16 RAM, and a CoolerMaster Hyper 212 LED tower cooler, I'm pretty happy.

The RAM gets me... seems like even though it identifies as B-die, it's just a bad bin.

 

[Kuiva maa]

Try a different frequency, sometimes a CPU/board/RAM combo just doesn't like a particular clock.

 

[amrnuke]

Try a different frequency, sometimes a CPU/board/RAM combo just doesn't like a particular clock.

The board offers a plethora of RAM speeds over 3200 MT/s, none of them work. I didn't go beyond 3600 MT/s, as it seems incredibly unlikely that it would work when nothing else did. I have heard a fair bit (of course, after I purchased it!) about this specific board having issues with o/c. I may try an open bench Gigabyte B450M DS3H + 3600 + same RAM setup and see if the DS3H lets me overclock, but as I recall, it did not.

 

[amrnuke]

The board offers a plethora of RAM speeds over 3200 MT/s, none of them work. I didn't go beyond 3600 MT/s, as it seems incredibly unlikely that it would work when nothing else did. I have heard a fair bit (of course, after I purchased it!) about this specific board having issues with o/c. I may try an open bench Gigabyte B450M DS3H + 3600 + same RAM setup and see if the DS3H lets me overclock, but as I recall, it did not.

Went back and tried every setting from 3233 to 3800 in the BIOS, at "stock" XMP timings and DRAM 1.35V. Then bumped up to 1.4V. Same results across the spectrum - either fails to boot or BSOD when Windows starts to load.

 

[Snakexor]

Went back and tried every setting from 3233 to 3800 in the BIOS, at "stock" XMP timings and DRAM 1.35V. Then bumped up to 1.4V. Same results across the spectrum - either fails to boot or BSOD when Windows starts to load.

increase SOC voltage, if i bump it to 1.0625 im good

 

[Elfear]

Got the 5600X in place.

Congrats on the chip!

ASRock B450M Pro 4, latest BIOS
G.skill Trident Z RGB 3200CL16-18-18-38
Per Thaiphoon this is a Samsung B-die kit.

It won't even boot at 3400 with the default timings, even if I bump up the voltage a touch to 1.36V.
It BSODs when I plug in "safe" timings for 3200 from Ryzen DRAM calculator into the BIOS.
So I can't tighten the timings at rated MT/s, nor can I boost MT/s at same timings.

Seems IMC isn't the issue... Kind of turns me off of G.skill RAM to be honest, unless I'm missing something huge.


The RAM gets me... seems like even though it identifies as B-die, it's just a bad bin.

Are you sure it's B-Die? I can't remember seeing a 3200 CL16-18-18 kit that was B-Die but I'm certainly not an expert.

 

[amrnuke]

Congrats on the chip!



Are you sure it's B-Die? I can't remember seeing a 3200 CL16-18-18 kit that was B-Die but I'm certainly not an expert.

This is the Thaiphoon output

 

[DrMrLordX]

Yup, that's b-die alright.



That's my DDR4-4400 kit. I'm using an older version of Thaiphoon Burner so data is slightly different.

 

[LikeLinus]

Question for all of you who've done builds. I'm purchasing a 5950x from a member here and I'd love to know what motherboard you guys recommend?

I need (2) M.2 slots, PCIe 4.0 slots to run a 3080 GPU, and a 10GbE card, 4 DIMM slots (hopefully with 128GB support), and 4-6 SATA ports all will be SSD 1-2TB.

I've seen a lot of people mention the ROG CROSSHAIR VIII DARK HERO. I haven't been able to find it. Any other recommendations or wait?

Also, as for RAM, what speed should I be looking for. I have 64GB of Corsair 3200 / CL16 from another build that I can use. Should I try that or get higher speed RAM and I'd also appreciate any recommendations.

Thank you!!!

 

[Kenmitch]

This is the Thaiphoon output

It does look like b-die.

I bought a 16GB kit of Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB RGB 3200MHz 16-18-18-36 a while ago on sale to try out, but wound up returning it. Thaiphoon Burner said it was Samsung b-die, but was really low quality stuff if so. I had similar results as
you when I tried to tighten the timings or bump up the speed.

 

[LikeLinus]

Anyone have a MOBO recommendation for a 5950x??

 

[PJVol]

...Team red theme!

Nice one ). I was very tempted to snatch 6800 so it woudnt overlight my camera shots and curious how it would fit, but God, those prices... wish I was able to swing to US and back around to grab one. Anyway, have to put up with this until god-knows-when

 

[njdevilsfan87]

Until bios update maybe makes 1900 FCLK stable, I'm approaching the limits of what I can with my chipset setup. I have a 4x16gb 4266mhz Royals (B-Die) that I underclocked to 3733mhz (1867mhz FCLK), set them to 1.48v and then proceeded to tighten timings. Here's about where I am about so far:



I'm down to around ~54-55ns on the latency which is a huge improvement over the ~67ns it was at 3733mhz CL16 and auto timings the rest of the way.

 

[Midwayman]

Tried the beta AGESA 1.1.0.0 patch D bios for my tomahawk today. Went up noticeably in cinebench r23.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Until bios update maybe makes 1900 FCLK stable, I'm approaching the limits of what I can with my chipset setup. I have a 4x16gb 4266mhz Royals (B-Die) that I underclocked to 3733mhz (1867mhz FCLK), set them to 1.48v and then proceeded to tighten timings. Here's about where I am about so far:

View attachment 36055

I'm down to around ~54-55ns on the latency which is a huge improvement over the ~67ns it was at 3733mhz CL16 and auto timings the rest of the way.

Not bad!

This is where I'm at with my new kit of 2x16GB 4000Cl16 TridentZ RGB set to 4000 CL16 1:1 (CL16 fast timings from ryzen timing calculator for 3800 b-die). I have extremely stringent stability requirements, so I run a 40-pass memtest86. It's over halfway done without a hiccup.

 

[Det0x]

Until bios update maybe makes 1900 FCLK stable, I'm approaching the limits of what I can with my chipset setup. I have a 4x16gb 4266mhz Royals (B-Die) that I underclocked to 3733mhz (1867mhz FCLK), set them to 1.48v and then proceeded to tighten timings. Here's about where I am about so far:

View attachment 36055

I'm down to around ~54-55ns on the latency which is a huge improvement over the ~67ns it was at 3733mhz CL16 and auto timings the rest of the way.

What do you use to test the stability of your memory oc ? I'm pretty sure your current settings is unstable in pretty much all memory-stabilitytest programs...
Try to run memtest 100% or 500% in the dram calculator and see if you an error.

That tRCDRD 13 @ 64gigs ram is very wishful.. tRC should also be tRP+tRas = 38 in your case

 

[Kenmitch]

I guess seeing the 5900x was the driving force it'll be cpu related to an extent.

Tweaked the memory, played around with RGB, set fan profiles in uEFI, toyed with PBO settings!

I maxed all the sliders except the memory, altered the fan curve a little, set the memory at 2086MHz fast timings.

The good old canned benchmarks that I've been doing for years! Interesting to see the progression of the gpu's I've had.

My placement standings for the RX 6800....The pecking order of RX 6800's

Time Spy....I'm currently in 9th, 10th place, but the solo card #1 spot....IgorsLab is #14....9th out of 7636 results.
Time Spy Extreme....I'm currently in 6th, 8th place, but the solo card #1 spot....IgorsLab is #13....6 out of 919 results.
Fire Stirke Ultra....I'm currently #1, 5th place....IgorsLab is #14....1st out of 328 results.
Fire Strike Extreme....I'm currently #1, 5th place....IgorsLab is #6....1st out of 859 results.



I have my memory on the 3800MHz C16 tight timing profile. I didn't run tests with different memory clocks to see if there was a difference. I'm leaning towards 3800MHz
would have the best results anyways. Not sure if timings would play a role or not in overall scores.

I believe that the max clocks are hardcoded in the bios and can't be altered. It would be nice to see how far she could really go in the end.

 

[JoeRambo]

This is the Thaiphoon output
View attachment 36033

Sadly that is not B-Die, but junk die instead. I would not bother overclocking it at all.

[Übersicht] - Die ultimative HARDWARELUXX Samsung 8Gb B-Die Liste - alle Hersteller (07.07.24)

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www.hardwareluxx.de

Your kit listed as black F4-3200C16D-16GTZB yours is red.

The key property of lower end B-Die kits are equal CL-RCD-RP timings, and timings rather lowish like 3200C14 or 3200C15. But i'd strongly suggest looking up each and every in site above and/or https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

 

[njdevilsfan87]

What do you use to test the stability of your memory oc ? I'm pretty sure your current settings is unstable in pretty much all memory-stabilitytest programs...
Try to run memtest 100% or 500% in the dram calculator and see if you an error.

That tRCDRD 13 @ 64gigs ram is very wishful.. tRC should also be tRP+tRas = 38 in your case

I couldn't boot tRC that low. I haven't stability tested yet - I'm looking for a theoretical max benchmark stable and then relax them to 100% MemTest, etc. from there. I'll definitely update once I do.

 

[MrTeal]

Sadly that is not B-Die, but junk die instead. I would not bother overclocking it at all.

[Übersicht] - Die ultimative HARDWARELUXX Samsung 8Gb B-Die Liste - alle Hersteller (07.07.24)

Die ultimative HARDWARELUXX Samsung 8Gbit B-Die Liste Inhaltsverzeichnis / Table of Contents » 8GB Module & 2x8GB/4x8GB/8x8GB Kits (SS, SR) » 16GB Module & 2x16GB/4x16GB/8x16GB Kits (DS, DR) » 32GB Module & 2x32GB Kits (DC DIMM) » SO-DIMM 8GB/16GB Varianten (SR/DR) » Häufig gestellte Fragen...

www.hardwareluxx.de

Your kit listed as black F4-3200C16D-16GTZB yours is red.

The key property of lower end B-Die kits are equal CL-RCD-RP timings, and timings rather lowish like 3200C14 or 3200C15. But i'd strongly suggest looking up each and every in site above and/or https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

Are you sure on that? My kit is F4-3600C17D-16GTZ which is B-die and listed there, but thaiphoon shows the single stick model number as F4-3600C16-8GTZ which doesn't pop a hit on the b-die finder. It has the same K4A8G085WB-BCPB dram model number as that though.

 

[JoeRambo]

Are you sure on that? My kit is F4-3600C17D-16GTZ which is B-die and listed there, but thaiphoon shows the single stick model number as F4-3600C16-8GTZ which doesn't pop a hit on the b-die finder. It has the same K4A8G085WB-BCPB dram model number as that though.

3600C17D-16GTZ is listed as B-Die, no reason to believe it is not.

The 3200C16 kit is unfortunately not. 3200 C16-18-18 is a signal it is non B-Die DRAM

P.S. There is boatload of DRAM listed as B-Die in Thaiphoon , that is not and is different Samsung DRAM

EDIT: How I always interpretted the Hardware Deluxe list is the columns marked with exlusivity "Ja" mean DRAM is exlusively with B-die, "Nein" means some kits are built with different dies and whether they have correct SPD programming to tell the chips apart? No idea, but I had really bad experience with some kits on the limbo. While some 3000C14 were amazing. The B-Die finder site just gives the safe choices.

Your experience might differ, just problems in OC combined with 16-18-18 timings don't give much hope.

 

[MrTeal]

3600C17D-16GTZ is listed as B-Die, no reason to believe it is not.

The 3200C16 kit is unfortunately not. 3200 C16-18-18 is a signal it is non B-Die DRAM

P.S. There is boatload of DRAM listed as B-Die in Thaiphoon , that is not and is different Samsung DRAM

Ah, so the thaiphoon part number readout is incorrect then? Do you know if that's read from the stick or if its just a table maintained by thaiphoon?
If the DRAM part is incorrect the really loose timing would make a lot more sense.

Edit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/hl2umi

Seems this kit is probably c-die?