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I picked up a 5600X last year for the same money. Set it to ECO mode with the +200MHz boost, and it pushes a 6600XT just fine. Runs cool and quiet in one of my NR200 with a 120mm AIO. No sacrifices like with the Cezanne 5500 at that price either.

I probably won't move on from AM4 until after Zen 5 is out. Or if AM5 gets a fun desktop APU to play with. Whichever comes first.

-Zen 3 / AM4 feels like the Sandy Bridge / 2600K generation again. Solid, performant processors with plenty of cores. The drop-in-ability to old 3xx and 4xx boards is just *chef's kiss*

Did some quick scanning and it looks like, at 1080p, the 5600x will easily give me ~66% more performance than a 2200G assuming the GPU isn't doing the bottlenecking (and in modern games like Hogwarts, everything is bottlenecking everywhere so I'll take what I can get).
 

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Recently decided to upgrade to a 5900X (price was good) and bought a new case (Corsair 5000D Airflow) with last years Christmas and BDay money. Been a nightmare. Currently bought a new PSU and motherboard hoping those were the cause of the boot failure. Currently can’t boot the system (w/R 5000 BIOS) with either of two graphics cards. My current one and a good known older GPU. Keep getting a VGA error LED lit up. Stuck my old 3900x in there and get no VGA error - but it still doesn’t boot.

Ive striped the board down to just the CPU and then added only one component at a time; cpu + RAM, cpu + SSD, CPU + GPU, everything in except the GPU. Everything checks out (but won’t boot without graphics). At this point I wish I just built a Zen4 system, at least I’d have an iGPU. 25 years of building computers and this is the first time I’ve spent more than 3 days on a build. Up to ~ day 10.
 

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Recently decided to upgrade to a 5900X (price was good) and bought a new case (Corsair 5000D Airflow) with last years Christmas and BDay money. Been a nightmare. Currently bought a new PSU and motherboard hoping those were the cause of the boot failure. Currently can’t boot the system (w/R 5000 BIOS) with either of two graphics cards. My current one and a good known older GPU. Keep getting a VGA error LED lit up. Stuck my old 3900x in there and get no VGA error - but it still doesn’t boot.

Ive striped the board down to just the CPU and then added only one component at a time; cpu + RAM, cpu + SSD, CPU + GPU, everything in except the GPU. Everything checks out (but won’t boot without graphics). At this point I wish I just built a Zen4 system, at least I’d have an iGPU. 25 years of building computers and this is the first time I’ve spent more than 3 days on a build. Up to ~ day 10.

-Think something might have shorted or the BIOS had a corrupted write?
 
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Ajay

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-Think something might have shorted or the BIOS had a corrupted write?
I thought a fried my MSI board - no blinky led lights at all. Suspected I shorted a cable on my PSU after a cable mod. The Aorus Master (X570S) should default to the secondary BIOS if the primary one fails - if I understand correctly. I’ll check the manual again.
 

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May check for a jumper on the board ajay. dual bioses are the best. saved many a people's ass back when they began coming on as features for premium boards about 15-16 years ago. I haven't had to use the feature myself but if you can get it on the 2nd bios you should be able to overwrite the bios1 with bios2. although I'm surprised there isn't a bios reset feature to write over corrupt bioses with shipping bios from a read only chip. I'm sure it exists and I'm happily unaware of it and likely costs as much as my mortgage.
 

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May check for a jumper on the board ajay. dual bioses are the best. saved many a people's ass back when they began coming on as features for premium boards about 15-16 years ago. I haven't had to use the feature myself but if you can get it on the 2nd bios you should be able to overwrite the bios1 with bios2. although I'm surprised there isn't a bios reset feature to write over corrupt bioses with shipping bios from a read only chip. I'm sure it exists and I'm happily unaware of it and likely costs as much as my mortgage.
Nothing in the manual or on the web about a jumper/switch. There maybe some options in the BIOS, but it’s otherwise automatic now. I tried using the GFX cards in each slots, still have the VGA error. Pffft.
 

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Nothing in the manual or on the web about a jumper/switch. There maybe some options in the BIOS, but it’s otherwise automatic now. I tried using the GFX cards in each slots, still have the VGA error. Pffft.
RIP mobo. F in the chat boys. RMA if it is still covered.
 

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Recently decided to upgrade to a 5900X (price was good) and bought a new case (Corsair 5000D Airflow) with last years Christmas and BDay money. Been a nightmare. Currently bought a new PSU and motherboard hoping those were the cause of the boot failure. Currently can’t boot the system (w/R 5000 BIOS) with either of two graphics cards. My current one and a good known older GPU. Keep getting a VGA error LED lit up. Stuck my old 3900x in there and get no VGA error - but it still doesn’t boot.

Ive striped the board down to just the CPU and then added only one component at a time; cpu + RAM, cpu + SSD, CPU + GPU, everything in except the GPU. Everything checks out (but won’t boot without graphics). At this point I wish I just built a Zen4 system, at least I’d have an iGPU. 25 years of building computers and this is the first time I’ve spent more than 3 days on a build. Up to ~ day 10.
I absolutly couldnt get a 5900X to boot in my (x470) MB. I tried everything. 2700X was fine, 5800X3D has been solid, 5900X was just not going to happen. Now my 5900X was bought second hand but the guy I bought it from tested it before sending it and after sending it, and most tellingly, he was absolutly fine with a return for any reason so I think he was honest.
 

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RIP mobo. F in the chat boys. RMA if it is still covered.
Well, still, a chance that the old GFX card is gone as well. Problem is, I’d need to buy a new card to check that out. Was thinking of waiting to 'Black Friday' to replace my 1070 - hoping prices would be a bit saner with sales/price cuts. But now, good cards are $100-$200 more than I would like to pay.
 
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I absolutly couldnt get a 5900X to boot in my (x470) MB. I tried everything. 2700X was fine, 5800X3D has been solid, 5900X was just not going to happen. Now my 5900X was bought second hand but the guy I bought it from tested it before sending it and after sending it, and most tellingly, he was absolutly fine with a return for any reason so I think he was honest.
Having built so many AM4 systems, I will give it up to 5 minutes to boot. Just in case the IMC and board don't play well together, and the memory training takes an eternity. After swapping all other parts besides board, if there's still no joy? I remove all power, pop out the CMOS battery, let it sit overnight, try again the next day. Still no go? He's dead Jim. Or may as well be, because I am done with it.
 

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Well, still, a chance that the old GFX card is gone as well. Problem is, I’d need to buy a new card to check that out. Was thinking of waiting to 'Black Friday' to replace my 1070 - hoping prices would be a bit saner with sales/price cuts. But now, good cards are $100-$200 more than I would like to pay.
You only have the one card to test? If you are in the U.S. PM me a shipping address, and I'll send you a bench test GPU for the cost of shipping. You can keep it for future use too.
 
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Having built so many AM4 systems, I will give it up to 5 minutes to boot. Just in case the IMC and board don't play well together, and the memory training takes an eternity. After swapping all other parts besides board, if there's still no joy? I remove all power, pop out the CMOS battery, let it sit overnight, try again the next day. Still no go? He's dead Jim. Or may as well be, because I am done with it.
I spent a few days on it just because I really wanted to make sure it wasnt going to work afterr the seller had said he'd tested it. I havent reset the CMOS so many times in years (took me back to old school overclocking TBH)

I mean it all worked out in the end. I ended up with a 5800X3D which is probably a better fit for my usage. You just cant fiddle around with them so much, I had to take my OCing frustrations out on my RAM and tweaked the hell out of that!
 

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Okay - weirdest problem I’ve ever seen. dragged down my wife's monitor on a whim and plugged it in before pulling her GFX card. VGA error gone. Booted straight into BIOS. What??? My old standby monitor powered on but, apparently, was otherwise dead. I use it when doing builds on the dinning room table before installation into the case. It was fine 4 months ago.

Is this something modern motherboards check - VGA signal?! Well, sorry Amazon for returning a perfectly fine CPU. Old MSI motherboard is no good because of numerous problems, and I'll trash the old PSU since it’s the prime suspect in killing the mobo. I’ll update my sig when I put it all together in the case.

Once nice bit, after updating the bios I did some minor tweaks to the memory. DDR4 3600/1800IF with tighter timings than my old system. Very nice. Going to have to read up and see if a higher IF freq or tight timings are better for Ryzen 5000 CPUs

//end saga
 
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5600X is due to arrive within the next day or two. My old Asrock B450M-HDV was rocking an ancient P2.30 BIOS which won't work with a 5600X so time to update.

Asrock really makes the BIOS download process a bit of nailbiter on this board. All their BIOSes passed something like 4.30 (latest is 10.01 or something) say in bright yellow lettering "NOT RECOMMENDED IF YOU ARE USING A PINNACLE, SUMMIT, Or RAVEN RIDGE PROCESSOR" which of course my current 2200g is a Raven Ridge processor so... what does "not recommended" mean? I check the CPU compatibility list and the 2200g was listed as compatible with "All" BIOSes so what the heck.

Went ahead and flashed to 10.01, Instant Flash said install was sucessful, reboot, and... nothing no display output.

Crap, time to start googling but no wait, the display comes up and I go into BIOS and lo and behold new Bios is installed and everything is running smoothly and I can boot into windows no problem (a bit snappier than before as well).

Alright, everything is lined up, now that 5600X needs to show up sans damage and boot and stress test ok!
 
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Disaster strikes. 5600x shows up, put it into my computer. Boot. Go into BIOS and make sure memory and everything is tuned up.

Everything is going fine, launch 3dmark to bench and bam, machine does a hard shutdown.

**** **** **** I've been building PCs for long enough to know a random hard shutdown isn't a "whoopsie" problem, something is bad.

HWmonitor comes up and I do a basic CPU-Z stress test and good lord the CPU temp and VRM temps are stratospheric, 95c for the CPU and 110c for the VRMs.

****.

Repasted everything and threw in another case fan. Temps are better, 85c under load (stock cooler in an HTPC case here folks), still having random shutdowns.

****.

Start typing b450m-HDV rev 4.0 into Google and the auto fill immediately completes with "and a 5600x". ****. That's never a good sign.

Lo and behold a good number of folks have run into this random crashing issue, and it looks like Zen 3 CPUs and XMP memory profiles absolutely torch the VRMs on this specific board.

I haven't tried yet, but the system should run fine if I turn XMP off, but then my 3000MT memory will drop all the way to 2100MT and that's gonna take a bite out of frames.

So I'm taking a breather here and recouping before I dive back in.

So, backwards compatibility on ancient low budget boards might *technically* be there, but there are a good number of ****'s to go along with it.
 
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