AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

[B-Riz]

	Cores Threads	Base Freq	Turbo Freq	L3 Cache	TDP	MSRP
Ryzen 9 5950X	16c/32t	3400	4900	64 MB	105 W	$799
Ryzen 9 5900X	12c/24t	3700	4800	64 MB	105 W	$549
Ryzen 7 5800X	8c/16t	3800	4700	32 MB	105 W	$449
Ryzen 5 5600X	6c/12t	3700	4600	32 MB	65 W	$299

5600X comes with cooler, the rest do not.

above from https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...en-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu

 

[DrMrLordX]

artic silver 5 turned brown ...

That's really odd. What ingredient is in AS5 that would cause such a color shift? Is that due to oxidation of the silver particles or . . . ?

 

[Noid]

That's really odd. What ingredient is in AS5 that would cause such a color shift? Is that due to oxidation of the silver particles or . . . ?

Not sure ... I just applied more from the same AS5 tube after cleaning everything.
( it looked fine )
However, it looks to me that the contaminate leached in from the outside edges.
The HSF unit hasn't been removed for at least 5 years I think, and slightly shifted - allowing whatever to accumulate around the base. ( sticky shyt )

 

[DrMrLordX]

However, it looks to me that the contaminate leached in from the outside edges.

If that's the case, the contaminant was probably oxygen.

 

[In2Photos]

Not sure ... I just applied more from the same AS5 tube after cleaning everything.
( it looked fine )
However, it looks to me that the contaminate leached in from the outside edges.
The HSF unit hasn't been removed for at least 5 years I think, and slightly shifted - allowing whatever to accumulate around the base. ( sticky shyt )

Do you smoke or vape?

 

[Noid]

Do you smoke or vape?

That powder you see is from a air misting humidifier. It even had me coughing.
Only used it for 8 months. ( only because I was stubborn about buying another )
You would be seeing ' tar ' on the fan blades, but there is none.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

artic silver 5 turned brown ...

There's much more to that picture than the thermal paste... what about the caked fan in the background?
That poor machine has been on Dune?

 

[Noid]

There's much more to that picture than the thermal paste... what about the caked fan in the background?
That poor machine has been on Dune?

That fan was on the " floor " of my case. Yeah, I was impressed it was still spinning.
It's all shiny now - well almost ...

 

[In2Photos]

That powder you see is from a air misting humidifier. It even had me coughing.
Only used it for 8 months. ( only because I was stubborn about buying another )
You would be seeing ' tar ' on the fan blades, but there is none.

Ok so added moisture in the air plus dust could certainly create the brown color, especially if the hsf had shifted..

 

[igor_kavinski]

Miracle the machine is still working and nothing shorted coz of the mist.

 

[Noid]

Miracle the machine is still working and nothing shorted coz of the mist.

Idle temp 12C lower now. This chip is at 1.35v ( edit ) with a 4425 12 core OC
( banner in my sig )
Never a hickup.
Oddly. I was benching this setup recently with no losses noted.

The humidifier was in another room. No direct air flow to my computer room.
( my intakes sucked that powder from the air )

 

[DrMrLordX]

This chip is at 3.35v with a 4425 all core OC

3.35v?!?!? whoa

 

[Shmee]

Any tips for getting more performance out of the 5800X3D? I am already using PBO2 a bit, using the CO to -15 or something. I suppose I could try for a larger negative offset, thoughts? Another thing I could do is try to OC my memory again, as I do have Samsung Bdie. 32GB rated for 3200MT/s. Maybe @DAPUNISHER has some ideas?

 

[Thunder 57]

3.35v?!?!? whoa

No way that is accurate. That kind of voltage would insta-fry a modern CPU. I remember thinking how excessive 2.2V was on the Athlon XP.

Any tips for getting more performance out of the 5800X3D? I am already using PBO2 a bit, using the CO to -15 or something. I suppose I could try for a larger negative offset, thoughts? Another thing I could do is try to OC my memory again, as I do have Samsung Bdie. 32GB rated for 3200MT/s. Maybe @DAPUNISHER has some ideas?

That's pretty good, I use -10 for CO for my CPU. But I also bumped up the frequency some as well. Is there a frequency offset option available on the X3D, or do they lock that down too? You could try to get 3600MT/s with your memory. That is the "sweet spot" for Zen 3 it seems as it keeps IF:MEM in sync. With the X3D though you are already less dependant on memory speed/latency than one without it. I don't think there is much more to get out of it unfortunately.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

One of my 5800X3D is solid at -25, the other at -20. The 5600X3D is also solid at -25. Using standard CL18 3600 kits. Hardest duty they pull is gaming and I'm stoked with the performance they provide there. As @Thunder 57 mentioned not much more to be had from them without risking stability and/or longevity. Neither of which would be worth the relatively pedestrian gains it would provide IMO. I see some get -30 stable but none of mine are solid there.

 

[DrMrLordX]

No way that is accurate. That kind of voltage would insta-fry a modern CPU. I remember thinking how excessive 2.2V was on the Athlon XP.

He probably meant 1.35v .

 

[PJVol]

One of my 5800X3D is solid at -25, the other at -20. The 5600X3D is also solid at -25

These "-N" alone doesn't say much about CPU capability.

CO values only make sense together with
a) Vdroop in some reference workload and
b) reference clock (aka. BCLK).
The former is purely a feature of the motherboard VRM design and VddCpu load-line settings, i.e. VddCPU LLC and/or voltage offset.

 

[PJVol]

Any tips for getting more performance out of the 5800X3D? I am already using PBO2 a bit, using the CO to -15 or something. I suppose I could try for a larger negative offset, thoughts? Another thing I could do is try to OC my memory again, as I do have Samsung Bdie. 32GB rated for 3200MT/s. Maybe @DAPUNISHER has some ideas?

The exact settings may vary depending on the cooling and what motherboard you have (see my post above), but anyway, these I've been using for half a year now (screenshots).
Not shown:
- Vdimm 1.488 -1.500V (1,45V for the 2x8Gb config)
- LLC Soc - "strong" to keep Vdroop within ± 0.5% (fits asrock/gb vrms, for msi/asus I'd go "medium")
- OS : Win 22H2 19045.3570, Secure Boot - off, TPM - off, SVM - off

 

[DAPUNISHER]

These "-N" alone doesn't say much about CPU capability.

CO values only make sense together with
a) Vdroop in some reference workload and
b) reference clock (aka. BCLK).
The former is purely a feature of the motherboard VRM design and VddCpu load-line settings, i.e. VddCPU LLC and/or voltage offset.

My workload is gaming. It's why I bought 3D. BCLK overclocking is FAFO territory IMO. The 3D is locked down for good reason. Degrading or breaking my CPU over inconsequential performance uplift ain't my bag.

 

[PJVol]

BCLK overclocking is FAFO territory IMO

If you don't have SATA devices, it either works or not

Degrading or breaking my CPU over inconsequential performance uplift ain't my bag.

You can't degrade it (unless your MB is broken) because OC mode is disabled on X3D parts and Vmax is hard-limited to 1.3V

Speaking of BCLK, unlike OC mode, where V and F are set manually, Ref.Clock OC has essentially the same effect as lowering "CO All-Cores"

 

[DAPUNISHER]

To everyone that argued with me that $300 was too much for the 5600X 3.5yrs ago; your opinions aged like warm milk. 🫵 Anyone that bought it at launch would still have a very capable gamer. Right now it is the number 3 seller at Amazon. There has never been a CPU that sold so well for so long. Best part, there is a 40% gaming performance upgrade, as a drop in replacement for the same board. Meanwhile no one even mentions the 10600K anymore. It's as if it existed in a different time than the 5600X.

Zen 3 turned out to be the best selling retail CPU generation ever. It has 5 of the top 10 spots on Amazon at the moment. 3.5yrs later those CPUs are currently all in the top 5. Unprecedented.

Aussie Steve showing how well those OGs have aged. He is using the 4090 so they are all dealing with the extra driver overhead too. I would have liked to have seen RT turned on as that increases the CPU load. My experience is the 5600x, 5800X, and even the 3D will not always be able to maintain 60fps+ in certain titles. Hogwarts has areas that are too much for the 3D for a few seconds here and there. It's the only game so far that can do it. The Spiderman games can push the 5600X below the barrier where the others are fine, and with the 5800X, Gotham Knights exposed it.

 

[Thunder 57]

To everyone that argued with me that $300 was too much for the 5600X 3.5yrs ago; your opinions aged like warm milk. 🫵 Anyone that bought it at launch would still have a very capable gamer. Right now it is the number 3 seller at Amazon. There has never been a CPU that sold so well for so long. Best part, there is a 40% gaming performance upgrade, as a drop in replacement for the same board. Meanwhile no one even mentions the 10600K anymore. It's as if it existed in a different time than the 5600X.

Zen 3 turned out to be the best selling retail CPU generation ever. It has 5 of the top 10 spots on Amazon at the moment. 3.5yrs later those CPUs are currently all in the top 5. Unprecedented.

Aussie Steve showing how well those OGs have aged. He is using the 4090 so they are all dealing with the extra driver overhead too. I would have liked to have seen RT turned on as that increases the CPU load. My experience is the 5600x, 5800X, and even the 3D will not always be able to maintain 60fps+ in certain titles. Hogwarts has areas that are too much for the 3D for a few seconds here and there. It's the only game so far that can do it. The Spiderman games can push the 5600X below the barrier where the others are fine, and with the 5800X, Gotham Knights exposed it.

I got a 5700X for just under $200, you got ripped off . Especially considering I was able to use the same motherboard and upgrade from a 2600X. Don't tell certain people this, because they believe no one upgrades a CPU with the same motherboard.

I am joking naturally. Zen 3 has been an amazing generation that we only get so often. I remember how hard they were to get and checking the AMD site daily to see what might be available. At the time I was even willing to pay for the horribly priced 5800X since that was available most often. I didin't really need that upgrade though so I stopped looking.

I want to say Zen 3 was like a Sandy Bridge but SB wasn't as good as people remember it as. It lacked PCIe 3 and USB 3. It also had chipset issues. Ivy Bridge fixed all of that. It was pretty awesome, same for Zen 3.

 

[Abwx]

I want to say Zen 3 was like a Sandy Bridge but SB wasn't as good as people remember it as. It lacked PCIe 3 and USB 3. It also had chipset issues. Ivy Bridge fixed all of that. It was pretty awesome, same for Zen 3.

Not the same at all, with SB and IB you didnt get the massive IPC boost and core count that you got from Zen to Zen 3, basically from a 1800X to a 5950X that s 3x the perfs, and for those who wanted APUs that the same 3x between a 2400G and a 5700G.

Nowadays the 5700X and 5700G are at about 155€ in Germany, so that s dirt cheap upgrades, wich is also not the same as the SB/IB transition, only the 5950X is stuck at a relatively high 325€.

 

[bba-tcg]

The last 5600X I bought (last week) was $135.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I did not buy the 5600X at release, I got it for $100 used in our for sale forum about a year later, so get rekt.

One of the huge caveats being with Ivy Bridge you got what you got. With Zen 3 the 3Ds showed up, allowing you a big uplift in gaming performance that could drop in the board. IB i7 benefited from zero competition and very anemic console CPUs too. Sales wise, Zen 3 has crushed everything.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Ivy Bridge fixed all of that.

I had Sandy and Ivy on the same Z77 mobo. But had to get a 4700HQ laptop coz the Ivy lacked AVX2. Gotta have my ISA extensions. You never know when you might need one!

But anyway, I wish I had waited and gotten a Haswell desktop. Sandy/Ivy were good but buying them was just waste of money for me. I did it only coz RAM was cheap at that particular time and I wanted to run a PC with the pagefile disabled so got 32GB. With a i3-2100. Yes, laugh!

And during the Zen 3 era, I hadn't ventured into these forums so I had no idea how revolutionary Zen 3 was so I got a i7-5775C after Dr. Ian published the i7-5775C article showing it was more or less still holding its own against the original Zen. I must be the only Intel hater who always falls for an Intel CPU!