AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

[B-Riz]

	Cores Threads	Base Freq	Turbo Freq	L3 Cache	TDP	MSRP
Ryzen 9 5950X	16c/32t	3400	4900	64 MB	105 W	$799
Ryzen 9 5900X	12c/24t	3700	4800	64 MB	105 W	$549
Ryzen 7 5800X	8c/16t	3800	4700	32 MB	105 W	$449
Ryzen 5 5600X	6c/12t	3700	4600	32 MB	65 W	$299

5600X comes with cooler, the rest do not.

above from https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...en-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu

 

[GaiaHunter]

It is just silly. The 5700X3D is $200 USD now. I'm debating selling my 3700x and older Ryzen chips to get one plus maybe a 5700g for a home server. I'd take the 3D chip for $50 less for better overall gaming performance.

I don't see much of a reason to get anything other than a x3d chip on a AM4 motherboard either, unless you are completely budget constrained and need all the threads.

 

[daveybrat]

It is just silly. The 5700X3D is $200 USD now. I'm debating selling my 3700x and older Ryzen chips to get one plus maybe a 5700g for a home server. I'd take the 3D chip for $50 less for better overall gaming performance.

I too am debating selling my 5800x and getting the 5700x3D but not sure it'll make enough of a difference?

 

[CakeMonster]

I would not do that, use the money for another upgrade that you can use for several years (GPU, SSD, etc), or put it toward a fund for AM5/LGA1851(?) MB+CPU.

 

[GaiaHunter]

I too am debating selling my 5800x and getting the 5700x3D but not sure it'll make enough of a difference?

Only if you play a game where your performance is CPU bottlenecked to the point you are having a bad time.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I too am debating selling my 5800x and getting the 5700x3D but not sure it'll make enough of a difference?

(in Emperor Palpatine's voice) DO IT!

AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D Review: A Value Gaming Masterpiece

AMD's powerful 3D V-Cache tech is now more affordable than ever.

www.tomshardware.com

Look at the geomean delta between 5700X3D and 5800X in gaming.

But for anything else, yes it would be a downgrade, unless you do heavy multitasking in which case, better cache hit rates, less memory traffic and lower power utilization are all benefits you could potentially reap.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

My main gamer was a 5800X in ECO mode with the +200lMHz PBO. I swapped for its 3D juiced to the gills bro. The games where the experience was immediately noticeable was using ray tracing with both Spiderman games and Gotham Knights. I had stutter and micro-stutter at times which the 3D completely smoothed out. Which is where the 3D shines IME; consistency/smoothness.

I had times with the boss hordes in Days Gone where the 5800X would get micro-stutter for a few seconds here and there that I have not seen since switching either. I don't want to give the 3D full credit for that as I changed to a faster GPU as well. And I have not tested with AB logging in order to conclude it was completely a CPU issue. 300 zombies charging me full HAM while my traps and grenades explode, I am dumping rounds in them, and all of the effects that generates makes it difficult to conclude. Next time I fire the game up I'll test it out. My presumption is the RX 6800 was doing its job well, and the CPU was the one getting hammered by the workload at 1080.

My hot take is nothing else will touch the 5700X3D for a cheap gaming upgrade when already being on AM4. Should clear over $100 selling the 5800X making the upgrade less than a C note. Not getting that level of gaming experience any other way, not even close. Selling the whole CPU, RAM, and mobo combo would be the next best plan. I have 3 systems now running 3D because it was throw and go. AM5 was tempting but the hardest thing I do is game and Zen 3 3D has that covered just fine. Plus, now I have 3 capable gamers for the price that one AM5 would have cost me.

 

[Shmee]

What about a used 5800X3D? That could also be a great buy, and is clocked higher than the 5700X3D.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Ugh might be against the rules but I'll give it a shot: 5600 for $98 all in (shipped + taxes) yea or nea?

Buddy with the 2200g loaner proc I gave him is ready to commit a bit more for his PC.

 

[SteinFG]

Ugh might be against the rules but I'll give it a shot: 5600 for $98 all in (shipped + taxes) yea or nea?

Buddy with the 2200g loaner proc I gave him is ready to commit a bit more for his PC.

yea it's good

 

[Thunder 57]

Ugh might be against the rules but I'll give it a shot: 5600 for $98 all in (shipped + taxes) yea or nea?

Buddy with the 2200g loaner proc I gave him is ready to commit a bit more for his PC.

Might want to post that in the FS/FT subforum.

 

[Ranulf]

Ugh might be against the rules but I'll give it a shot: 5600 for $98 all in (shipped + taxes) yea or nea?

Buddy with the 2200g loaner proc I gave him is ready to commit a bit more for his PC.

The 5600GT is $105 in some places. It is Cezanne but compared to the Vermeer chips prices, not bad.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

LOL guy on eBay told me to make an offer of $90... but had his auto decline/reject set higher than that amount so I made the offer and it auto declined. Ah never change EBay.

Found a 5600X used for $93 all in, no fan or box on this one, but slightly better processor for slightly less money, why not, went for that instead.

 

[Saylick]

Out of curiosity, for a budget gaming build, do y'all know how competitive is a 5800X3D build with DDR4 3600 with tight RAM timings?

 

[igor_kavinski]

5800X3D build with DDR4 3600 with tight RAM timings?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/161tqde/ryzen_7_5800x3d_ram_speed_test_dont_waste_your

In general, it's kind of a wasted effort, unless you can't live without squeezing every last bit of performance out of your setup.

One could argue that V-cache helped AMD cover up for their memory subsystem which has trouble going above DDR4-3800 in most cases for normal people with no overclocking experience or expertise. The situation is similar in DDR5 land too. They NEEDED V-cache and it was brilliant of them that they anticipated needing it and worked with TSMC to make it happen.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Out of curiosity, for a budget gaming build, do y'all know how competitive is a 5800X3D build with DDR4 3600 with tight RAM timings?

igor is on point about ram.

As always, it depends on the games you play, if you are already on AM4, and if you can leverage the used market, as to how much value Zen 3 3D will provide. And of course the biggest consideration is if you live close enough to a Micro Center with the crazy hot deal 7800X3D combos. If already on the platform I'd opt for the slightly slower 5700X3D here in the U.S. as it is $199.98.now. Obviously for productivity there are much better choices for similar money.

I recently picked up the 5800X3D NIB here in the forums from one of our many outstanding members for $210. I don't think I'd pay more than $30 over the 5700X3D as the value isn't there otherwise. I picked up a 5600X3D on another forum for $200 shipped a couple months before the 5700X3D had the $50 price drop. I'd have still chosen the 6 core though, simply because it's such a rare CPU. Making it a collectable for me. A $35 Phantom Spirit 120 easily cools them while staying quiet. I do use a negative offset in curve optimizer of -20 to -30 depending on where the CPU is in the silicon lottery. I don't do BCLK or any other tweaks as IMO the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

No point in building Zen 3 3D new unless the new and used market where you are is radically different from the U.S.

For me it came down to -
1. Simple swap out of CPUs
2. No windows activation hassles or expense
3. Unbeatable bang for buck upgrade after selling the old CPUs
4. Used market pricing thanks to tech forums for sale/trade

 

[DAPUNISHER]

LOL guy on eBay told me to make an offer of $90... but had his auto decline/reject set higher than that amount so I made the offer and it auto declined. Ah never change EBay.

Found a 5600X used for $93 all in, no fan or box on this one, but slightly better processor for slightly less money, why not, went for that instead.

ECO mode with the +200MHz boost has been 100% solid on every vanilla Zen 3 I have used. I have one 5600X left and it has been running that way for years now.