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Any way to tell the difference?

I guess the obvious answer is when it doesn't work well!
Someone else posted this but I'll repost it:


Not sure if it was in this thread or another one. That's all I know.
 
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I had a Ryzen 5700G fail on me.

I had a build that worked fine for a couple of years, and then started hanging or rebooting every couple of days. I tried replacing the power supply, which didn't fix the problem, so I ordered a new motherboard, which also didn't fix the problem. I was pretty sure that faulty memory would produce memory errors rather than hangs and reboots, but I ran a full pass of memtest anyway--no errors. So that left the CPU as the only possibility. I installed a 5600GT CPU and the computer is working fine.

I posted this because I've never heard of a CPU failing unless it was damaged by overclocking. Recent generations of CPU's have less overclocking headroom than older generations. Perhaps AMD didn't leave enough headroom on my 5700G, so that with the natural deterioration that occurs over time even it a CPU that isn't subject to the stresses of overclocking, the CPU reached a point where it couldn't function properly at stock speeds/voltages.
 
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I posted this because I've never heard of a CPU failing unless it was damaged by overclocking.
That's the thing. Mobo makers are not above applying minor overclocked settings and overvoltages in their default BIOS profiles to try to give better scores in benchmarks. The CPU could also be a really poor bin unable to handle anything but stock voltages. The BIOS could be really old and maybe it was applying incorrect voltages. A normal, perfectly working CPU isn't going to degrade on its own under normal conditions so the only thing I can believe is that something about the conditions (mobo or PSU related) it was running under, wasn't normal.
 

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I had a Ryzen 5700G fail on me.

I had a build that worked fine for a couple of years, and then started hanging or rebooting every couple of days. I tried replacing the power supply, which didn't fix the problem, so I ordered a new motherboard, which also didn't fix the problem. I was pretty sure that faulty memory would produce memory errors rather than hangs and reboots, but I ran a full pass of memtest anyway--no errors. So that left the CPU as the only possibility. I installed a 5600GT CPU and the computer is working fine.

I posted this because I've never heard of a CPU failing unless it was damaged by overclocking.
Regrettably, that is no longer the case. Intel 13th and 14th gen raptor lake have suffered serious degradation issues using OOB settings. It is presumed to be successfully mitigated now that they have found all of the issues causing it, but only time will tell. Reports of degraded or broken Ryzen 3600s also happen too frequently. I have seen sporadic reports of Cezanne APUs failing, but not nearly as common as Zen 2.
Recent generations of CPU's have less overclocking headroom than older generations. Perhaps AMD didn't leave enough headroom on my 5700G, so that with the natural deterioration that occurs over time even it a CPU that isn't subject to the stresses of overclocking, the CPU reached a point where it couldn't function properly at stock speeds/voltages.
As stated, you are far from the first person I've read with a degraded/broken AM4 CPU. If you monitor with HwInfo and you are running OOB settings you will probably see 1.5v+ vcore under the max field. I have been manually applying settings on AM4 since 2018 due to it. All of the boards I have now are either ECO mode with +200MHz PBO or a negative offset with curve optimizer. It would not surprise me to learn that years of use, with how aggressive the settings are OOB, has resulted in accelerated degradation. I recommend using ECO mode stat.
 
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