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Atari2600

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Anyone worried about the number of USB slots on their mobo. For the first time ever i am counting USB slots.

No.

Half of my USB connects run through a hub on the desk. Who can be arsed reaching down the back of the computer to add in a portable device? The marginal change in performance for the corner cases where you choke the connection just isn't worth it.
 
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imported_jjj

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No.

Half of my USB connects run through a hub on the desk. Who can be arsed reaching down the back of the computer to add in a portable device? The marginal change in performance for the corner cases where you choke the connection just isn't worth it.

Sure for some but you are not gonna do that for mouse, keyboard, VR headset (for VR you can have up to 5 if you include sensor, 2 controllers and a headphones), printer (I don't have a printer anymore but many still do).
Some have 6 on the back IO and if you reserve the 2 ports that are 3.1 Gen 2 for hubs, 2 for mouse and keyboard, you got 2 left on the back and maybe 2 front. Could become annoying.
 

malitze

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I'll go all in this time with the 1800X cooled by an AlphaCool Eisbär 360, paired with 16 Gb 3200 CL14 RAM. Not sure about the board yet, either the ASUS Crosshair VI or the ASRock Professional Gaming. I'm really looking forward to this build
 
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blublub

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All in:

Ryzen 1800x
Asus Crosshair 6
Eisbaer 360
64Gb Gskill Rippj V 3200mhz CL14/15
1TB Samsung Pro 960 in Angelwings PX1
BeQuiet DB Pro 900

Despite CPU and MB it's already present and assembled - however the case sucks, too many screws, too many things to remove to install stuff.

If anyone know a sleek black design case where a 360mm water-cooler fits in the top with usable 5,25 bays - I am happy to take a loom
 

Tup3x

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It's interesting to see that many are planning to get 1800X. I don't really see why anyone would pay that much extra over 1700. After all they all should be unlocked.

So unless 1700 clocks like turd I'd pick it and decent X370 mobo that is The Stilt approved. Then 32GB of decent RAM and nice cooler. I'd recycle everything else from my current build.
 

Atari2600

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VR headset (for VR you can have up to 5 if you include sensor, 2 controllers and a headphones)

Really?!? Are there any examples of this?

I've gotta admit, I'm really surprised the controllers/headphones don't integrate down to 1 USB port!
 

krumme

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Sure for some but you are not gonna do that for mouse, keyboard, VR headset (for VR you can have up to 5 if you include sensor, 2 controllers and a headphones), printer (I don't have a printer anymore but many still do).
Some have 6 on the back IO and if you reserve the 2 ports that are 3.1 Gen 2 for hubs, 2 for mouse and keyboard, you got 2 left on the back and maybe 2 front. Could become annoying.

Ok so what excactly is annoying? -
Just give me a realistic real world situation.
To me it looks more like a mental barrier; that you dont want to use a hub be it placed at the computer - front sides back below heck even inside . Or placed another very inconvenient place on earth that is not your computer. The available total usb bandwith is insane.
By all means. This must be the smallest problem on this earth as i can see. Are you sure this is just not old conservative habits?
 

richierich1212

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It's interesting to see that many are planning to get 1800X. I don't really see why anyone would pay that much extra over 1700. After all they all should be unlocked.

Binning. And even then, their Halo CPU is still not much more than the next one. I still haven't decided on which one to play with. I guess it depends on the launch lineup .
 

imported_jjj

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@ Atari2600
Ofc it would be with discrete headphones and it would be a worst case scenario.
Oculus needs 1 USB 3.0 for the headset, one for the sensor ,one for the Touch controller while the Xbox controller settles with a USB 2.0.
If you want to use discrete audio and it happens to be USB, in can be a 5th port in theory.
In practice, hopefully, we'll only need 1 for an affordable VR headset and can use keyboard+mouse+ 3.5mm jack headphones but in same cases it can be worse.


@ krumme
The need to buy a hub in itself is not ideal as you pay extra because your choice of mobo and case were less than ideal. Why buy a fix when you could have avoided that.
So lets say mouse, keyboard, printer + VR sensor + VR headset+ controller + mobile charger +USB heaphones/speaker and that's 8. USB thumb drive, USB storage (including optical) and more could also be used.
No idea how well the diff VR components would share a port. For mobile devices not sure what power delivery the platform provides, charging multiple devices from a single port at the same time could be less than ideal.
Anyway, my point wasn't that you can't manage but that it could become limiting and an annoyance.

 

Mockingbird

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It's interesting to see that many are planning to get 1800X. I don't really see why anyone would pay that much extra over 1700. After all they all should be unlocked.

So unless 1700 clocks like turd I'd pick it and decent X370 mobo that is The Stilt approved. Then 32GB of decent RAM and nice cooler. I'd recycle everything else from my current build.

Not everyone buys unlocked processors so he/she can crank them as high as possible on Day 1.

It's just that there are options (besides upgrading the processors) down the road.
 
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Valantar

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Sure for some but you are not gonna do that for mouse, keyboard, VR headset (for VR you can have up to 5 if you include sensor, 2 controllers and a headphones), printer (I don't have a printer anymore but many still do).
Some have 6 on the back IO and if you reserve the 2 ports that are 3.1 Gen 2 for hubs, 2 for mouse and keyboard, you got 2 left on the back and maybe 2 front. Could become annoying.
No.
-Controllers only need one port.
-Most VR headsets have audio outputs. Also, audio runs fine through a hub.
-Any monitor worth owning has a built-in USB hub with at least two ports.
-If your printer isn't networked, you've bought the wrong printer. Alternatively, you can plug it into pretty much any router on the market. Or connect it through a hub, or unplug it when you don't need it.
-External optical drives are not permanently connected devices. If you use it like that, you should have bought an internal one. The same goes for external HDDs. And these, and any other storage device, run perfectly fine through a hub too. Which, again, you won't need to buy if you had your wits about you while shopping for a monitor.

I can't remember seeing a motherboard with less than 6 rear USB ports in ages. Add at least two front panel connectors to that, plus a hub in your monitor, and you will not need any more. And if you do, most motherboards have additional headers so that you can add a cheapo rear bracket for two or even four more ports.
 

Valantar

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It's interesting to see that many are planning to get 1800X. I don't really see why anyone would pay that much extra over 1700. After all they all should be unlocked.

So unless 1700 clocks like turd I'd pick it and decent X370 mobo that is The Stilt approved. Then 32GB of decent RAM and nice cooler. I'd recycle everything else from my current build.
-Not everyone OC's/is comfortable pushing a high overclock.
-Higher TDP ought to mean better multi-core turbo.
-XFR.
-Possibly significantly better binning (higher SKU on a new arch and process).
-We don't yet know what (power/temp/other) limitations are on non-OC'd 65W Ryzen chips.

That's what's leading me towards the 1600X, at least. I don't want to push it too far (prefer longevity > insane clocks), and I'm hoping XFR will compensate for any lack in stock single core speed. If XFR works well enough that I don't have to OC, I don't mind that at all. But I'm 100% sure that wouldn't be the case with a non-X, 65W CPU.
 

imported_jjj

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No.
-Controllers only need one port.
-Most VR headsets have audio outputs. Also, audio runs fine through a hub.
-Any monitor worth owning has a built-in USB hub with at least two ports.
-If your printer isn't networked, you've bought the wrong printer. Alternatively, you can plug it into pretty much any router on the market. Or connect it through a hub, or unplug it when you don't need it.
-External optical drives are not permanently connected devices. If you use it like that, you should have bought an internal one. The same goes for external HDDs. And these, and any other storage device, run perfectly fine through a hub too. Which, again, you won't need to buy if you had your wits about you while shopping for a monitor.

I can't remember seeing a motherboard with less than 6 rear USB ports in ages. Add at least two front panel connectors to that, plus a hub in your monitor, and you will not need any more. And if you do, most motherboards have additional headers so that you can add a cheapo rear bracket for two or even four more ports.

You are being hostile, arrogant and irrational.
A hub needs a single port but that doesn't mean that you can get away with a single hub.Nor that using a hub for multiple devices is a good idea. As i point out for charging - maybe you use an iphone and your device is slow to charge but many more folks need more than that.
Most people don't have networked printers and will never buy a new one.
Most monitors don't have USB.
I have stated that i have no idea "how well the diff VR components would share a port" and you are not being very convincing with that tone and attitude.
There is also a difference between what isdoable and what ideal, what's possible and what's the most convenient. It's more convenient not to have to connect and disconnect things but it is true that optical or external HDDs can be connected to hub(that costs extra $) as they are rarely in use.
Anyway, i will not check your reply so as i fail to see any upside in doing so.
 

Lovec1990

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Hi,

im currently undecided should i buy 1700X or give ~130eur for 1800X and i have case dillema get cheaper Noctis 450 or more expensive be quiet dark base 900 i kinda want good cooling and silence witch would be better?
 

.vodka

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Wait for reviews. Eight days to go.

EIther way, every Ryzen CPU is unlocked. You could take that 1700x up to the 1800x's speed just by a little manual overclocking. If I were you I'd prioritize cooling over case looks.
 
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Lovec1990

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Wait for reviews. Eight days to go.

EIther way, every Ryzen CPU is unlocked. You could take that 1700x up to the 1800x's speed just by a little manual overclocking. If I were you I'd prioritize cooling over case looks.

I will wait for reviews so 1700x is at the moment better.

so better too look for high airflow case like crosair graphite 760t?
I will cool CPU with Noctua NH-D15s
 

Mockingbird

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-Not everyone OC's/is comfortable pushing a high overclock.
-Higher TDP ought to mean better multi-core turbo.
-XFR.
-Possibly significantly better binning (higher SKU on a new arch and process).
-We don't yet know what (power/temp/other) limitations are on non-OC'd 65W Ryzen chips.

That's what's leading me towards the 1600X, at least. I don't want to push it too far (prefer longevity > insane clocks), and I'm hoping XFR will compensate for any lack in stock single core speed. If XFR works well enough that I don't have to OC, I don't mind that at all. But I'm 100% sure that wouldn't be the case with a non-X, 65W CPU.

The X variations also comes with better heat sinks/fans than do the non-X variations.
 

Valantar

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You are being hostile, arrogant and irrational.
A hub needs a single port but that doesn't mean that you can get away with a single hub.Nor that using a hub for multiple devices is a good idea. As i point out for charging - maybe you use an iphone and your device is slow to charge but many more folks need more than that.
Most people don't have networked printers and will never buy a new one.
Most monitors don't have USB.
I have stated that i have no idea "how well the diff VR components would share a port" and you are not being very convincing with that tone and attitude.
There is also a difference between what isdoable and what ideal, what's possible and what's the most convenient. It's more convenient not to have to connect and disconnect things but it is true that optical or external HDDs can be connected to hub(that costs extra $) as they are rarely in use.
Anyway, i will not check your reply so as i fail to see any upside in doing so.

Wow, that was harsh. I'm sorry if I was a bit brash, but irrational? I don't quite see that. Still, I'll try to tone it down a bit. I simply think the situation you're drawing up is very, very unlikely. Why?

First off, sales of external storage has dropped significantly over the last few years. People with huge local storage needs are moving to NAS boxes, while the public in general is moving to cloud storage. Of course, loads of people still have USB drives that the use for occasional backups - but the key word is occasional. They're made to be connected when needed, then put away.

Second, if you can afford a $800 VR headset, you can afford a $30 USB 3.0 hub. Even a $35 powered one if you need to charge your phone. If not, you have some seriously odd spending priorities. More power to you, I guess. Also, I'm not saying to connect your VR headset and controller through a hub, just to get one alongside it and connect something else to it.

Third, even a $10 USB 2.0 hub will run a USB headset/headphone, printer and other various peripherals (mic, webcam, so on) with no problem at all. Unless you have a 4k or 1080p60 webcam, in which case you put that in one of your native 3.0/3.1 ports.

Fourth, I seriously disagree about your printer statement. Sure, lots of people have 5+ year-old printers. And kudos to them - throwing out working hardware to get a new shiny feature is one of my least favourite things. But even my 4-year-old mid-range consumer HP inkjet AIO has WiFi. It's really not uncommon. I've seen $60-70 laser printers with either WiFi or ethernet (rarely both in lower price ranges, though). It's not hard to find. And again, routers have printer sharing ports. Even my D-link from ~2008 has one. The crappy fiber modem-router combo that my ISP provided has one. Again, if you can afford an $800 VR headset, you can afford a router with a printer sharing port.

Fifth: this qoute:
A hub needs a single port but that doesn't mean that you can get away with a single hub.Nor that using a hub for multiple devices is a good idea.
The whole point of using a hub is connecting multiple devices to a single port. Unless all those devices are high-bandwidth ones in constant use (say, a DAS or RAID SSD enclosure used for intensive work, VR headset, 4k webcam while streaming), it'll work just fine. The USB protocol is designed for hubs to work just fine, and they do for the vast majority of devices. Most USB devices either only transmit data sporadically (printers and the like) or have very, very low bandwidth requirements (speakers, headsets, mice, keyboards). Even if you connect a blazing-fast SSD to your hub, it will perform at ~100% of its potential unless something else is taxing the hub at the same time.

And sure. Most monitors don't have USB hubs. But most >$200 monitors have USB hubs. And if you have a <$200 monitor and a $800 VR headset, again, you have some very odd priorities.

Now, get me right, I'm not saying that there are no fringe cases where people might need more than 8 ports (6 rear + 2 front) and can't afford a hub or can't use one for what they need. I'm just saying that those cases are very, very, very rare. That the average user needs fewer USB ports today than 5-6-7 years ago is an indisputable fact. And if you're a user with above-average needs - buy a hub. Seriously. It's $30. And it'll last for ever and ever and probably not need an upgrade. And it's nice to have lying around anyway.
 

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I really hope they have SKUs without a HSF. I don't want to pay for something I'm never going to use.
 

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Think I have narrowed down my Ryzen VR build a little more... I want it to be all AMD for Nostalgia purposes.

CPU: Ryzen 7 1800x with Stock Wraith Max cooler, if stock is iffy I'll get the one without fan and pair it with a Noctua nh-d14/d15.
Motherboard: Torn between a Asus Crosshair VI Hero and MSI X370 XPower Gaming, probably going with the latter.
RAM: 16GB (2x 8GB) DDR4 3200 RAM not sure on brand, pricing is volatile right now (GRRR!).
Thermal Paste: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut (I believe this is the best non conductive thermal paste at the moment)
Main Storage: 512GB M.2 SSD (don't care about brand, whatever deals pop up)
Game Library: 2TB SATA (same as above)
PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold (80 Plus Gold) 1000W (sweet spot 550W).
GPU: High end RX 480, either MSI RX 480 Gaming X or XFX GTR RX 480.
Case: Haven't made my decision yet, budget is around $100.
VR: HTC Vive.

Suggestions are welcome.
 
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quietplates

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Think I have narrowed down my Ryzen VR build a little more... I want it to be all AMD for Nostalgia purposes.

CPU: Ryzen 7 1800x with Stock Wraith Max cooler, if stock is iffy I'll get the one without fan and pair it with a Noctua nh-d14/d15.
Motherboard: Torn between a Asus Crosshair VI Hero and MSI X370 XPower Gaming, probably going with the latter.
RAM: 16GB (2x 8GB) DDR4 3200 RAM not sure on brand, pricing is volatile right now (GRRR!).
Thermal Paste: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut (I believe this is the best non conductive thermal paste at the moment)
Main Storage: 512GB M.2 SSD (don't care about brand, whatever deals pop up)
Game Library: 2TB SATA (same as above)
PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold (80 Plus Gold) 1000W (sweet spot 550W).
GPU: High end RX 480, either MSI RX 480 Gaming X or XFX GTR RX 480.
Case: Haven't made my decision yet, budget is around $100.
VR: HTC Vive.

Suggestions are welcome.

Go with the XFX GTR RX 480. It has better video out port options.
 
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