AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[quietplates]

re: concern over not enough USB ports for VR headsets,

The HTC Vive setup is entirely drivable off of one HDMI and one singular USB2.0 port. I'm not sure what the panic is over not having enough USB ports.

 

[Crono]

re: concern over not enough USB ports for VR headsets,

The HTC Vive setup is entirely drivable off of one HDMI and one singular USB2.0 port. I'm not sure what the panic is over not having enough USB ports.

Yes, though occasionally you do have to plug in the controllers for updates.

"Panic" is hyperbole, though, I don't think anyone is panicking. Yes, there are ways of avoiding using all of them up and most people have plenty. But I think it's fair to say it's preferable to have more USB ports for many users. If you need more, buy a board with more. Otherwise don't. Very simple.

 

[psolord]

Here's the Noctua AM4 bracket that should work with the D14 sold by Amazon

Press Release from Noctua regarding compatibility for AM4 bracket

Wow they are for sale already? Awesome.

Found them on European Amazon stores too. I have setup my basket along with Prolimatech PK3 and Grizzly Hydronaut (haven't decided which to use yet) and decent DDR4 Ram and I am waiting for the rest of the stuff to get listed. No reason to pay for shipping twice.

 

[Doom2pro]

re: concern over not enough USB ports for VR headsets,

The HTC Vive setup is entirely drivable off of one HDMI and one singular USB2.0 port. I'm not sure what the panic is over not having enough USB ports.

HDMI or DisplayPort, and USB 3.0 I believe. This is one of the many reasons I'm getting an HTC Vive, it just wins vs every other headset on almost every area.

 

[Crono]

HDMI or DisplayPort, and USB 3.0 I believe. This is one of the many reasons I'm getting an HTC Vive, it just wins vs every other headset on almost every area.

Yeah, I'm glad I got it over the Rift, which I almost did purchase when it released.
I can't wait for the wireless kit. Hard to not get a little tangled in games that require a lot of turning and moving.

 

[Valantar]

Think I have narrowed down my Ryzen VR build a little more... I want it to be all AMD for Nostalgia purposes.

CPU: Ryzen 7 1800x with Stock Wraith Max cooler, if stock is iffy I'll get the one without fan and pair it with a Noctua nh-d14/d15.
Motherboard: Torn between a Asus Crosshair VI Hero and MSI X370 XPower Gaming, probably going with the latter.
RAM: 16GB (2x 8GB) DDR4 3200 RAM not sure on brand, pricing is volatile right now (GRRR!).
Thermal Paste: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut (I believe this is the best non conductive thermal paste at the moment)
Main Storage: 512GB M.2 SSD (don't care about brand, whatever deals pop up)
Game Library: 2TB SATA (same as above)
PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold (80 Plus Gold) 1000W (sweet spot 550W).
GPU: High end RX 480, either MSI RX 480 Gaming X or XFX GTR RX 480.
Case: Haven't made my decision yet, budget is around $100.
VR: HTC Vive.

Suggestions are welcome.

That looks like a sweet build, but your PSU is way overpowered. As in you won't reach its sweet spot even running a power virus load and heavy overclocks on both cpu and GPU. A heavily OC'd RX 480 is 200-220W. The 1800X is a 95W TDP chip, and if AMDs demos are accurate pulls 140+W under heavy loads (Cinebench, wasn't it?). With your choice of cooler, I take it you're not planning to OC it to kingdom come. And even with that, and a single ssd + hdd, you might be close to 500W while running some unrealistic power virus, but nowhere near exceeding that. My (currently dead) rig with a heavily overclocked 95W CPU and a Fury X (a 275W GPU) pulled just over 500W from the wall (i.e. including conversion losses, so around 450W actual component power draw) during OCCT+FurMark loads.

Sure, if you go Crossfire down the line you'll exceed 500W easy. But if I were you, I'd get an EVGA G3 750 or 850W. These are arguably the best Gold-rated PSUs out there (check JohnnyGuru), and of much more suitable capacities for your build. And, of course, plenty powerful for Crossfire if the time comes for that.

 

[Doom2pro]

That looks like a sweet build, but your PSU is way overpowered. As in you won't reach its sweet spot even running a power virus load and heavy overclocks on both cpu and GPU. A heavily OC'd RX 480 is 200-220W. The 1800X is a 95W TDP chip, and if AMDs demos are accurate pulls 140+W under heavy loads (Cinebench, wasn't it?). With your choice of cooler, I take it you're not planning to OC it to kingdom come. And even with that, and a single ssd + hdd, you might be close to 500W while running some unrealistic power virus, but nowhere near exceeding that. My (currently dead) rig with a heavily overclocked 95W CPU and a Fury X (a 275W GPU) pulled just over 500W from the wall (i.e. including conversion losses, so around 450W actual component power draw) during OCCT+FurMark loads.

Sure, if you go Crossfire down the line you'll exceed 500W easy. But if I were you, I'd get an EVGA G3 750 or 850W. These are arguably the best Gold-rated PSUs out there (check JohnnyGuru), and of much more suitable capacities for your build. And, of course, plenty powerful for Crossfire if the time comes for that.

The thing is, I already have the PSU (have had it for a while been using it for bench testing) and the 1200W version on JonnyGuru got great ratings. Anyway, I'm planning on getting 2x Vega cards someday to Crossfire, and I'll be overclocking all three so I wont mind going over the sweet spot at full load, I just need the wattage to get there.

 

[Doom2pro]

Yeah, I'm glad I got it over the Rift, which I almost did purchase when it released.
I can't wait for the wireless kit. Hard to not get a little tangled in games that require a lot of turning and moving.

Getting tangled is part of the fun, Just don't lean on the Pool Table

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Yeah i'm slightly torn between the 1800x and the 6 core x

I am thinking 6 core for my tasks, which are mostly gaming oriented. By the time 8 cores are needed, I could upgrade my CPU.

I am looking for a durable motherboard because I tend to keep my PC for a very long.

It doesn't need to be an overclocking champion.

Which motherboard should I get?

I guess here's a good report to go by
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/954-2/cartes-meres.html

This is a great question. I had dismissed asrock as 2nd tier, but that might be a bad assumption.

 

[lopri]

Samsung DDR4 B-die typical bins (G-Skill) (source: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=152523)

Nuttiest thing I have seen. Probably with an aid of unreal voltage. (source: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/ddr4-g-skill-b-die-oc-testing.18745409/)

Phanteks Enthoo Evolve (3 mm thick Aluminium body)

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Samsung DDR4 B-die typical bins (G-Skill) (source: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=152523)

Nuttiest thing I have seen. Probably with an aid of unreal voltage. (source: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/ddr4-g-skill-b-die-oc-testing.18745409/)

Phanteks Enthoo Evolve (3 mm thick Aluminium body)

I was a hair's breadth away from buying the evolv atx when i caught it on sale the other day for $120.

Settled for the cheapo Enthoo Pro M for $55.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

RUMOR:

AMD Ryzen 7 1800X/1700X/1700, Wraith Max and Spire coolers confirmed


EDIT:

How would that spire cooler even cool effectively?! It just looks like a hunk of plastic. I am going to be annoyed if I have to buy that piece of junk.

Also, there was talk of an aio liquid cooler, but there is no mention of it here.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

What I'm most likely going with:

Ryzen 1700x
G.Skill TridentZ 3200mhz DDR4 CL14
Asrock Taichi
Noctua NH-D15S
(My existing Fury Tri-X OC)

If Zen+ is a good bump, and it's still AM4 I don't want to have spent too much on a first gen chip... just behind bleeding edge is my usual comfort zone on pricing.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

RUMOR:

AMD Ryzen 7 1800X/1700X/1700, Wraith Max and Spire coolers confirmed


EDIT:

How would that spire cooler even cool?! It just looks like a hunk of plastic. I am going to be annoyed if I have to buy that piece of junk.

Also, there was talk of an aio liquid cooler!

I bet the Spire is similar to the Intel stock cooler unfortunately, maybe with copper. A circle of fins. If they got FANCY, they could have a copper core, with a dual heat pipe wrapped in a circle through aluminum fins.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Entire Range of AMD Ryzen AM4 Motherboards Pictured in Full Detail – X370, B350, A320 Products Featuring ASUS, GIGABYTE, MSI & ASRock

I hate wccftech, but they have some nice images of the boards here...

 

[Crumpet]

I think the spire cooler looks kinda neat.....

 

[Valantar]

I think the spire cooler looks kinda neat.....

Is that something to be sad about? Yes, it looks good for a 65W stock cooler. Hopefully it's somewhat better than the stock Intel one.

 

[Crumpet]

Is that something to be sad about? Yes, it looks good for a 65W stock cooler. Hopefully it's somewhat better than the stock Intel one.

Well it would struggle to be worse, in both design and functionality.

 

[Valantar]

Well it would struggle to be worse, in both design and functionality.

Haha, yeah, that's true. But then again, I bet Intel pays less than $1 apiece for them. It's essentially an extruded aluminium rod cut into various lengths with some very basic fasteners and a fan hooked onto it. Can't cost all that much.

Also, AMD seems to be paying attention to their stock coolers in a way that Intel never has. And while AMD has bundled some real screamers with their FX line, I hope the Wraith was the start of a trend. I wouldn't expect much from a 65W-rated stock cooler, but it wouldn't take much to be better than Intel either. Heck, 1-2 heatpipes circling out from the base would make a world of difference.

 

[psolord]

Entire Range of AMD Ryzen AM4 Motherboards Pictured in Full Detail – X370, B350, A320 Products Featuring ASUS, GIGABYTE, MSI & ASRock

I hate wccftech, but they have some nice images of the boards here...

Why do they have video outputs? Are those for the future APUs?

They mention Bristol Ridge APUs , OK.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Here's the Noctua AM4 bracket that should work with the D14 sold by Amazon

Press Release from Noctua regarding compatibility for AM4 bracket

Oh wow, I might have to buy this and a noctua cooler. That AMD version of the d15 ismore expensive anyway, and I heard most companies are making you pay shipping for the brackets.

I kind of wanted to avoid noctua's baby crap brown though...

Edit: Apparently they ship you a bracket 4 free with proof of purchase. this is just for people that want it day one.

Noctua am4 coolers

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_...ywords=nH-D15+SE-AM4&rh=i:aps,k:nH-D15+SE-AM4

 

[Valantar]

Why do they have video outputs? Are those for the future APUs?

They mention Bristol Ridge APUs , OK.

Making an AM4 board only for non-APU chips would essentially be artificially limiting your market, no? While I could get that for the ultra-high-end, for anything else it doesn't make sense. It's not like that I/O shield space will be used for anything else (even 10-12 USB ports only takes up ~1/3 of an I/O shield), and graphics outputs add negligible cost to the boards (especially when compared to the cost of developing parallel models with graphics outputs). Also, Bristol Ridge should be ~6 months away, which is way too soon for a motherboard lineup refresh.

 

[Despoiler]

1800X it is for me given it has a SKU without a HSF.

 

[Valantar]

1800X it is for me given it has a SKU without a HSF.

It would be very, very odd for the high-end SKU to always be bundled with a HSF. Still, I'd want an included cooler personally just in case my water cooling ever went haywire. If you're air cooling, I guess that's not an issue.

 

[Rifter]

You are being hostile, arrogant and irrational.
A hub needs a single port but that doesn't mean that you can get away with a single hub.Nor that using a hub for multiple devices is a good idea. As i point out for charging - maybe you use an iphone and your device is slow to charge but many more folks need more than that.
Most people don't have networked printers and will never buy a new one.
Most monitors don't have USB.
I have stated that i have no idea "how well the diff VR components would share a port" and you are not being very convincing with that tone and attitude.
There is also a difference between what isdoable and what ideal, what's possible and what's the most convenient. It's more convenient not to have to connect and disconnect things but it is true that optical or external HDDs can be connected to hub(that costs extra $) as they are rarely in use.
Anyway, i will not check your reply so as i fail to see any upside in doing so.

You are the one being irrational. Very much so. USB is just like Ethernet, buying hubs does not slow down performance unless you are saturating 1 ports throughput.

What you are proposing having enough USB ports for everything on the mobo itself would be the same thing as refusing to buy a router or a modem that doesnt have enough Ethernet ports to connect to everything in your house, instead of just buying a hub/switch.

Everyone uses hubs.