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Rifter

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the paste that comes with a CoolerMaster device. From the 212 EVO or the 612-2

So, question, what version and where can you get a Noctura (I think its D15 or something) that comes with the AM4 bracket ? I have given up on Coolermaster, and the H100i from Corsair is also sub-par IMO.

There is a AM4 version of the D-15, its what i ordered, and comes with the right mounting brackets to mount it either vertical or horizontal(i have mine horizontal with the fans pointing right into my rear exhaust fan).

It keeps my 1700@3.9Ghz under 65-66C in prime 95, never seen it go over 50c while gaming or encoding.
 

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No luck using auto settings with 1.94A on my X370 Taichi with my 1800X and Flare X 3200. The Noctua D15 is an excellent heatsink, though. Mounting system is simple and easy to use. Fans are quality as well.

The LLC on this board is rock stable as expected of its overkill VRMs - I'm at 4GHz 1.375V with zero voltage fluctuation in CPU-z when benching.

Just to rule out some weird combination of auto settings with CPU SOC voltage and/or per chip variance, I'm going to try swapping in my 1700 at some point and seeing if I have any better luck with RAM then. And swap the 1800X into my MSI board to see if it will still manage A-XMP Flare X 3200 or if I just have a dud of a 1800X.

Flare X won't boot above 2400 on my MSI board now either, and is throwing spontaneous reboots when memtesting on multiple rigs... time to RMA the Flare X.
 
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Rifter

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Thanks to the app here http://www.softnology.biz/files.html

I was able to determine that my Gskill F4-3000C15-8GVKB ram kit is Hynix H5AN8G8NMFR-TFC chips.

Which i thought would hold me back in getting them to actually run at 3000Mhz but this turns out not to be the case. I cranked it up to 3000mhz fed it 1.35V and here i am running at its rated speed. I did have to up the SOC voltage +.0250, i think that was 4 steps over stock voltage. This seems to be feeding my SOC around .94V now.

Running prime95 blend as i type this but rock solid so far.

Still eagerly awaiting my 3600mhz ram kit though.
 
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richierich1212

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@Markfw You may want to invest in a better thermal paste instead of using the one that comes with the 212. I personally have used Artic Cooling MX-4 for the past several years now and it is awesome. This way you don't have to spend lots of money to try other coolers when your thermal paste could be the issue instead.
 
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IEC

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@Markfw You may want to invest in a better thermal paste instead of using the one that comes with the 212. I personally have used Artic Cooling MX-4 for the past several years now and it is awesome. This way you don't have to spend lots of money to try other coolers when your thermal paste could be the issue instead.

I used a 20g or 30g tube of Arctic MX-2 for years. Just recently replaced with a 20g tube of Arctic MX-4 as I was running low. I like it because it's neither too viscous or too runny, it performs well, and it pretty much doesn't need maintenance/replacement unlike some other pastes.
 

Crono

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Noctua NT-H1 and Prolimatech PK3 are also very good, some of the better ones without the kinds of issues in spreadability or electrical conductivity you get with the handful of better performers.
 
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Rifter

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I used a 20g or 30g tube of Arctic MX-2 for years. Just recently replaced with a 20g tube of Arctic MX-4 as I was running low. I like it because it's neither too viscous or too runny, it performs well, and it pretty much doesn't need maintenance/replacement unlike some other pastes.

I used mx2 and mx4 for years as well, they are quality pastes. The noctua NT-H1 paste that comes with their heatsinks is as good or better, so if you do go the Noctua route mark you will be covered for paste.
 

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The noctua NT-H1 paste that comes with their heatsinks is as good or better, so if you do go the Noctua route mark you will be covered for paste.
Good to know. I assumed the paste with my Noctua was pretty decent considering the quality of their units. I'll use the provided paste instead of my MX-2.
 

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I guess I will have to fiddle around with some voltages to see if I can boot 3200 on this Taichi. I'm guessing there is some silicon lottery in regards to SOC voltage at work here...

From the Gigabyte beta bios thread on their forums:
(For Gigabyte K7) Question: DDR compatibility didn't work either!
  • Try setting SOC to 1.2 or 1.25
  • Try setting the timings, voltage (you may need to try 1.4), and SOC (1.2~1.25) manually.
Question: Ugg my AB350-Gaming 3 STILL won't load XMP.
  • Does you memory have multiple XMP profiles? Try the lower one first!
  • Raise Dynamic SOC to +.3V, try to boot.
  • With Dynamic SOC at +.3V also enable DDR compatibility mode, try to boot.
  • Let me know which model memory you have and I'll work on it from my end as well

Edit: No luck with my Taichi. I'll swap in the 1700 tomorrow to see if it makes a difference.

Edit 2: Flare X won't boot above 2400 on my MSI board now either, and is throwing spontaneous reboots when memtesting on multiple rigs... time to RMA the Flare X.
 
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Justinbaileyman

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Did you try the 4k sample I linked with the settings to try?
I couldn't even get the 4k sample to play in vlc it would just skip horribly. But I did convert it in Handbrake with the presets you recommended. It fluctuated from 88% to 100% every couple of seconds. It finished the encode in a total of 62 seconds. SO what does this mean? is this good or is there a problem on my end somewhere?By the way the sample played just fine in vlc after the handbrake encoding job.
 

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SOC at 1.2 or 1.25v?? I haven't seen anyone need to go that high yet.

Could just be Gigabyte is throwing voltage at it hoping it fixes it for them. I'm going to have to check my 1700/MSI combo tomorrow to see what is being fed to the SOC in terms of voltage with the 3200 Flare X. And swap in the 1800X on the MSI board to rule out CPU IMC variance.

I tried CPU vcore 1.4V + vSOC 1.25V + vDIMM 1.45V and couldn't boot even 2666Mhz. So there is likely something else required to boot...
 

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I wouldn't go over 1.1v SOC voltage. Did you input all timings in advanced manual mode? XMP disabled? Manually input all voltage settings (I use the offset for vCore and manually put in 1.38v for DDR voltage and leave SOC voltage on AUTO)
 

Markfw

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I guess I will have to fiddle around with some voltages to see if I can boot 3200 on this Taichi. I'm guessing there is some silicon lottery in regards to SOC voltage at work here...

From the Gigabyte beta bios thread on their forums:


Edit: No luck with my Taichi. I'll swap in the 1700 tomorrow to see if it makes a difference.
It must be the memory. I just set mine to 3200 xmp profile on my Taichi and rebooted, and here is the result:

with this memory:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205

And it also worked on my AB350 pro4 the same way !
 

IEC

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It must be the memory. I just set mine to 3200 xmp profile on my Taichi and rebooted, and here is the result:
with this memory:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205

And it also worked on my AB350 pro4 the same way !

I would blame the memory, except it works fine on Auto-XMP on my MSI motherboard. But that is with my 1700, so to rule out the CPU IMC I will test with the 1800X in that board tomorrow using the same memory kit. The other possibility is the memory actually isn't fully stable which means I'll also throw some more memtest at it.

I do also have more G.Skill 3200 CL14 memory coming Saturday, so I'll get this problem isolated one way or another.

Edit:
Flare X won't boot above 2400 on my MSI board now either, and is throwing spontaneous reboots when memtesting on multiple rigs... time to RMA the Flare X.
 
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Hitman928

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I couldn't even get the 4k sample to play in vlc it would just skip horribly. But I did convert it in Handbrake with the presets you recommended. It fluctuated from 88% to 100% every couple of seconds. It finished the encode in a total of 62 seconds. SO what does this mean? is this good or is there a problem on my end somewhere?By the way the sample played just fine in vlc after the handbrake encoding job.

62 seconds would be unrealistically fast according to the handbrake thread. Are you sure you chose the right settings? Either way bouncing between 88% and 100% on H.265 is normal from my experience. It seems for some reason handbrake doesn't like the other file you have or a setting you've chosen as far as keeping the cpu busy. I don't know enough about handbrake to say what it could be. Have you tried the same settings you just tried on the original file?
 

Justinbaileyman

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62 seconds would be unrealistically fast according to the handbrake thread. Are you sure you chose the right settings? Either way bouncing between 88% and 100% on H.265 is normal from my experience. It seems for some reason handbrake doesn't like the other file you have or a setting you've chosen as far as keeping the cpu busy. I don't know enough about handbrake to say what it could be. Have you tried the same settings you just tried on the original file?
I chose the file at the top of the page called sample-Elysium.2013.2160p.mkv 60 second sample and for handbrake I chose preset H.265 1080p30 single pass,DTS-HD for audio. Finished for a second time in 62 seconds. so the time is correct,why is this super slow?

Etid: oops just noticed that you said it was fast... Maybe I am supposed to be doing 2pass?
 

Chiropteran

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It must be the memory. I just set mine to 3200 xmp profile on my Taichi and rebooted, and here is the resultwith this memory:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205

And it also worked on my AB350 pro4 the same way !

That is the same memory I am trying today. It boots at XMP settings, but not stable. With setting relaxed a bit to 16-18-18-38 and voltage up to 1.4 it's more stable... but still fails AIDA64 stress tests. Works at XMP settings if I clock it down to 2933mhz and it seems to be stable... at least made it through 20 minutes of the stress test. Will try running it overnight to be sure.

Maybe you got some nicer RAM by chance, or maybe this x370 killer sli a/c board is a bit inferior when it comes to RAM timings.
 

Markfw

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That is the same memory I am trying today. It boots at XMP settings, but not stable. With setting relaxed a bit to 16-18-18-38 and voltage up to 1.4 it's more stable... but still fails AIDA64 stress tests. Works at XMP settings if I clock it down to 2933mhz and it seems to be stable... at least made it through 20 minutes of the stress test. Will try running it overnight to be sure.

Maybe you got some nicer RAM by chance, or maybe this x370 killer sli a/c board is a bit inferior when it comes to RAM timings.
I got so annoyed, that I just ordered another set for my AB350 pro4, where it also worked at 3200. Update your bios ??

Throwing away $99, but it really is worth it for almost 50% more memory performance. (2400 to 3200 and CL18 to CL14)
 

Chiropteran

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It's 2.0, latest bios. There hasn't been a new beta since 1.93A.

My TAICHI should arrive tomorrow. Not sure I'll feel like taking the time to rebuild my computer right away though.
 

Chiropteran

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I got so annoyed, that I just ordered another set for my AB350 pro4, where it also worked at 3200. Update your bios ??

Throwing away $99, but it really is worth it for almost 50% more memory performance. (2400 to 3200 and CL18 to CL14)

Curious: on your boards, does it run the memory at 1T or 2T command rate?
 

Hitman928

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I chose the file at the top of the page called sample-Elysium.2013.2160p.mkv 60 second sample and for handbrake I chose preset H.265 1080p30 single pass,DTS-HD for audio. Finished for a second time in 62 seconds. so the time is correct,why is this super slow?

Etid: oops just noticed that you said it was fast... Maybe I am supposed to be doing 2pass?

It should be doing constant quality encoding, not constant bitrate where you can choose between single and double pass. Or did you mean single pass as in constant quality (which is only single pass)?
 
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