AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[Despoiler]

So it's pretty much confirmed now what the cause of the G.Skill RGB modules dying on Ryzen platform, turns out the modules are fine, LEDs included, the SPD chip is the cause of the failure... And the culprit of the SPD data getting modified/corrupted? G.Skill's own RGB software! DOH! They are sending out emails to customers that registered their kits to nuke the old version from orbit and wash the stain away with fuming nitric acid.

So there you have it, I'm not touching their RGB software with a 50 foot poll attached to a robot on Mars until they get their s*&! together. I'm glad I never downloaded it either, too many reports of dead kits after using it, it all makes sense now.

Their RMA support seems pretty fly by night too. I've personally never had an issue with their memory, but this type of experience is going to make me consider using someone else next time. Unacceptable accusatory responses IMO.

 

[IEC]

It's why I pay for a Newegg Premier membership.... faster shipping and no hassle RMAs if I ever have an issue within 30 days. I only had to use it once in the previous year but I've used it twice this year (Asus C6H and G.Skill FlareX).

 

[Despoiler]

I think someone had asked how to check what memory ICs you have without pulling the heat spreaders off. A user over on OCN posted up this great tool called Thaipoon Burner. It's quite a bit more powerful that what most of us need. Apparently it allows you to reprogram the memory. Set custom XMP profiles and what not. The base functionality allows it to read all of the information about the memory including the MFR DRAM code.

http://www.softnology.biz/

 

[T1beriu]

My R5 1600 is boosting to 3.7ghz according to hwinfo (ST workload)... Odd given this does not XFR. Anyone else?

All Ryzen CPUs have XFR, not only the X models.

http://imgur.com/a/lSwpz

 

[NesuD]

Holy ####!

I think I can do without the RGB for $110 less.

I would rather use that money toward an SSD. (Still on good old HDD!)

I am now out of budge. Would anyone want to donate an SSD?

This ram is single rank Samsung B die guaranteed to run 3200 with 14-14-14-34 timings at 1T. You will not find that type of ram for $90 anywhere. The RGB only added $20 to the cost over the same thing without the LEDs. I think it is pretty obvious I was operating with a somewhat different budget. The better response would have been awesome wish I could fit that into my budget rather than that passive aggressive twaddle about $110 for LEDs. No comment at all would have been better to be honest.

Good luck on your SSD search.

 

[Vesku]

Any significant difference in voltage needed for ~3.9ghz between 1600 and 1600x? In terms of overall binning.

 

[Mockingbird]

This ram is single rank Samsung B die guaranteed to run 3200 with 14-14-14-34 timings at 1T. You will not find that type of ram for $90 anywhere. The RGB only added $20 to the cost over the same thing without the LEDs. I think it is pretty obvious I was operating with a somewhat different budget. The better response would have been awesome wish I could fit that into my budget rather than that passive aggressive twaddle about $110 for LEDs. No comment at all would have been better to be honest.

Good luck on your SSD search.

Oh, okay. The one I bought for $90 is a 16 GB DDR4 3000 MHz.

Here's a 16GB DDR4 3200 MHz (G.SKILL Ripjaws V F4-3200C16D-16GVRB) for $119.88:

http://www.outletpc.com/ju2498-g-skill-ripjaws-v-ddr4-16gb-2-x-8gb.html

Higher CAS latency, but those mostly matter in synthetic benchmarks anyway.

 

[NesuD]

Oh, okay. The one I bought for $90 is a 16 GB DDR4 3000 MHz.

Here's a 16GB DDR4 3200 MHz (G.SKILL Ripjaws V F4-3200C16D-16GVRB) for $119.88:

http://www.outletpc.com/ju2498-g-skill-ripjaws-v-ddr4-16gb-2-x-8gb.html

Your linked RAM timings are 16-18-18-38, Those timings are not 14-14-14-34, That is not samsung B die, I will almost guarantee it is dual rank ram and you will have a lot of fun getting it to run faster than 2400, even then timings will still have to be around 16-18-18-38 and you certainly won't get it to run 3200 with 14-14-14-34 timings at 1T on a Ryzen system. My point is you are comparing apples to oranges. Most of the premium I paid was to get to 3200 at 14-14-14-34 1T. The LEDs were only a $20 premium over the same ram without LEDs. If you have been reading this thread since the beginning like most of us posting here you would be aware of the difference.

I also have a set of Corsair Dominator Platinum pc3000 15-17-17-17-37 sitting on my desk now that couldn't run faster than 2400 16-17-17-17-37 2T on my system that I have no use for that I paid $129 for before I was aware of how picky Ryzen was about RAM.

I have zero regrets about Buying the Trident Z LED. It is doing everything I wanted it to do no fuss no muss.

Besides that it added Bling!

 

[Valantar]

All Ryzen CPUs have XFR, not only the X models.

http://imgur.com/a/lSwpz

Yeah, apparently they don't advertise it at all for Ryzen 5 non-x SKUs - even the official AMD spec pages only mention XFR on the X SKUs for some reason. Still, it's there on all chips. Didn't the 1400 even have a "wider XFR window" (200MHz) compared to the rest?

 

[Mockingbird]

Your linked RAM timings are 16-18-18-38, Those timings are not 14-14-14-34, That is not samsung B die, I will almost guarantee it is dual rank ram and you will have a lot of fun getting it to run faster than 2400, even then timings will still have to be around 16-18-18-38 and you certainly won't get it to run 3200 with 14-14-14-34 timings at 1T on a Ryzen system. My point is you are comparing apples to oranges. Most of the premium I paid was to get to 3200 at 14-14-14-34 1T. The LEDs were only a $20 premium over the same ram without LEDs. If you have been reading this thread since the beginning like most of us posting here you would be aware of the difference.

I also have a set of Corsair Dominator Platinum pc3000 15-17-17-17-37 sitting on my desk now that couldn't run faster than 2400 16-17-17-17-37 2T on my system that I have no use for that I paid $129 for before I was aware of how picky Ryzen was about RAM.

I have zero regrets about Buying the Trident Z LED. It is doing everything I wanted it to do no fuss no muss.

Besides that it added Bling!

May I ask what you do with your computer?

Timing matters most in synthetic benchmarks.

 

[T1beriu]

Didn't the 1400 even have a "wider XFR window" (200MHz) compared to the rest?

You're talking about 1500X. Open the link for more info.

 

[alexruiz]

On the RAM subject, I had mentioned that the eVGA DDR4-3000 CL15 runs at 2933 in almost every board with minimal effort.
Checking the serial number of a kit I had it seems to be G-skill, however using the g-skill decoder doesn't give me more info.
serial number 17042071xxx
Any ideas?

ps. I am out of this RAM so cannot run taiphoon burner

 

[Onion221]

Just ordered my parts yesterday.

Old System

• i5-2500k 4GHz on air
• Tuniq Tower for cooling
• ASUS P8Z68-V Pro Gen 3 Mobo
• 16 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR3
  
• XFX Radeon 6870 GPU
  
• Curcial M4
• Corsair Carbide 500R case

New System

• Ryzen 5 1600
• NZXT Kraken X61 AIO
• MSI B350 Tomahawk
• 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000
• XFX RX480 GTR Black Edition 8GB GPU
• 128 GB BPX NVME MLC SSD
• 1 TB WL 7200 RPM HDD
• Phanteks Eclipse P400 Matte Black ATX

May even live stream building, because why not?

How did you know that RAM would work because I don't see it at 3000 on the QVL.
I'm asking because I have the Tomohawk Arctic and there's not much choice it seems only one samsung B Die at 3000.

How did you find out which RAM you could pick.

 

[ScottAD]

How did you know that RAM would work because I don't see it at 3000 on the QVL.
I'm asking because I have the Tomohawk Arctic and there's not much choice it seems only one samsung B Die at 3000.

How did you find out which RAM you could pick.

This is Hynix ram but I should be able to get it close to 3000, several builds I've watched on this platform have used the LPX ram but if for some reason I have problems I will just invest in the Flare RAM from G. SKILL.

Plenty of reviews for the board use that RAM is really what drove that choice.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

What ever happened to that AMD AM4 steam gaming console? It looks like 2 gigabyte brix stacked on top of each other with a glass of water in between them connecting them together? I was kinda wanting to see them for sale or at leased buy the case so I can build one myself.

 

[Onion221]

This is Hynix ram but I should be able to get it close to 3000, several builds I've watched on this platform have used the LPX ram but if for some reason I have problems I will just invest in the Flare RAM from G. SKILL.

Plenty of reviews for the board use that RAM is really what drove that choice.

Thanks for reply.
I think I'm going with this just hope it works.
CMU16GX4M2C3200C16

 

[Onion221]

This is Hynix ram but I should be able to get it close to 3000, several builds I've watched on this platform have used the LPX ram but if for some reason I have problems I will just invest in the Flare RAM from G. SKILL.

Plenty of reviews for the board use that RAM is really what drove that choice.

Edit: Found this. Wont be getting that RAM .
http://rymem.vraith.com/basic/view_by_mobo

 

[IEC]

Any DDR4-3200 with CL14-14-14-34 timings is single rank B-die aka the good stuff. YMMV on other kits, and it all depends on motherboard/BIOS support.

I got a 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4-3200 CL14 G.Skill quad channel kit for $265, which works out to $132.50 per 16GB. I'll eventually use the 4x8GB config and try to get 3200, but we'll see.

 

[Valantar]

What ever happened to that AMD AM4 steam gaming console? It looks like 2 gigabyte brix stacked on top of each other with a glass of water in between them connecting them together? I was kinda wanting to see them for sale or at leased buy the case so I can build one myself.

Do you mean Project Quantum? It had no relation to AM4 or ryzen whatsoever, running a 4790K.

 

[NesuD]

May I ask what you do with your computer?

Timing matters most in synthetic benchmarks.

No you may not ask because what I do with my computer is not relevant to the conversation. I was pointing out the timings because that is the primary indicator of RAM using Samsung B die ICs. It is well documented that RAM using Samsung B die ICs will always run well in a Ryzen based system. No other ICs will do those timings consistantly at 3200 except Samsung B die. If you see a module rated for those timings at 3200 it is pretty much a certainty the module is using Samsung B die ICs.

You don't really seem to get it. On the Ryzen platform with the current state of RAM support if you want your ram to run at 3200 you have to get the Samsung B die based modules. The way to tell they are Samsung B die based modules is their specs are 14-14-14-34 @ 3200mhz. It's not about having the timings for any particular reason it is because it is because those timings identify the 3200 modules that will actually run at 3200 in Ryzen Motherboards. The stuff you are putting out there is very likely to not run any higher than 2400. You might get them a little higher but in most cases no. I went for the guaranteed 3200 capable modules and the timings is how you can identify them. Have you plugged your $90 dollar pc3000 ram into a Ryzen system and actually had it run stable at 3000/2933? I don't think so nor have you done it with the $120 pc3200 you linked.

I'm not knocking you memory choice here you are knocking mine. I gave perfectly legitimate reasons for why I chose it and all you seem to want to do is belittle my choice.

I am just going to put you on ignore now as it seems you are determined to argue for the sake of argument.

 

[ScottAD]

Edit: Found this. Wont be getting that RAM .
http://rymem.vraith.com/basic/view_by_mobo

If I can't get it to clock 3k then I'll return them and spend the extra 30 to get the dominator platinum. They are verified to run 3k out of the box by Corsair.

 

[Rifter]

No you may not ask because what I do with my computer is not relevant to the conversation. I was pointing out the timings because that is the primary indicator of RAM using Samsung B die ICs. It is well documented that RAM using Samsung B die ICs will always run well in a Ryzen based system. No other ICs will do those timings consistantly at 3200 except Samsung B die. If you see a module rated for those timings at 3200 it is pretty much a certainty the module is using Samsung B die ICs.

You don't really seem to get it. On the Ryzen platform with the current state of RAM support if you want your ram to run at 3200 you have to get the Samsung B die based modules. The way to tell they are Samsung B die based modules is their specs are 14-14-14-34 @ 3200mhz. It's not about having the timings for any particular reason it is because it is because those timings identify the 3200 modules that will actually run at 3200 in Ryzen Motherboards. The stuff you are putting out there is very likely to not run any higher than 2400. You might get them a little higher but in most cases no. I went for the guaranteed 3200 capable modules and the timings is how you can identify them. Have you plugged your $90 dollar pc3000 ram into a Ryzen system and actually had it run stable at 3000/2933? I don't think so nor have you done it with the $120 pc3200 you linked.

I'm not knocking you memory choice here you are knocking mine. I gave perfectly legitimate reasons for why I chose it and all you seem to want to do is belittle my choice.

I am just going to put you on ignore now as it seems you are determined to argue for the sake of argument.

Agreed, samsung B die ram is not cheap, but it works.

Thats why i have some on order(hopefully anyways) to replace my Gskill hynix chips ram im using temporarily.

 

[Mockingbird]

No you may not ask because what I do with my computer is not relevant to the conversation. I was pointing out the timings because that is the primary indicator of RAM using Samsung B die ICs. It is well documented that RAM using Samsung B die ICs will always run well in a Ryzen based system. No other ICs will do those timings consistantly at 3200 except Samsung B die. If you see a module rated for those timings at 3200 it is pretty much a certainty the module is using Samsung B die ICs.

You don't really seem to get it. On the Ryzen platform with the current state of RAM support if you want your ram to run at 3200 you have to get the Samsung B die based modules. The way to tell they are Samsung B die based modules is their specs are 14-14-14-34 @ 3200mhz. It's not about having the timings for any particular reason it is because it is because those timings identify the 3200 modules that will actually run at 3200 in Ryzen Motherboards. The stuff you are putting out there is very likely to not run any higher than 2400. You might get them a little higher but in most cases no. I went for the guaranteed 3200 capable modules and the timings is how you can identify them. Have you plugged your $90 dollar pc3000 ram into a Ryzen system and actually had it run stable at 3000/2933? I don't think so nor have you done it with the $120 pc3200 you linked.

I'm not knocking you memory choice here you are knocking mine. I gave perfectly legitimate reasons for why I chose it and all you seem to want to do is belittle my choice.

I am just going to put you on ignore now as it seems you are determined to argue for the sake of argument.

Yes, I have put my $90 16GB DDR4 3000 MHz into my computer. It is running at 2933 MHz.

I went into the BIOS, chose the default XMP profile, and did not made any other changes.

I just think it's ridiculous that people are spending a lot of money on these legendary memory with "Samsung B-Die" when there are much more economical options.

...but then it's your money

 

[Markfw]

Yes, I have put my $90 16GB DDR4 3000 MHz into my computer. It is running at 2933 MHz.

I went into the BIOS, chose the default XMP profile, and did not made any other changes.

I just think it's ridiculous that people are spending a lot of money on these legendary memory with "Samsung B-Die" when there are much more economical options.

...but then it's your money

Can you reply with a link to this $90 memory that runs at that speed ? and what motherboard ?

My $99 memory from microcenter is also 2x8 ddr4 3000 and it will not run over 2400 in either of my 2 ASRock motherboards.

 

[Rifter]

Yes, I have put my $90 16GB DDR4 3000 MHz into my computer. It is running at 2933 MHz.

I went into the BIOS, chose the default XMP profile, and did not made any other changes.

I just think it's ridiculous that people are spending a lot of money on these legendary memory with "Samsung B-Die" when there are much more economical options.

...but then it's your money

Some people like things that just work.

Sometimes you get lucky with cheaper ram, sometimes you dont. Samsung B dies always work. For example i have some cheap Gskill 3000mhz ram im running right now, works fine at 3000Mhz, on the 515 bios for my board, but the new 604 bios which supposedly has the new microcode and is way better for memory compatibility will not run this ram at anything over 2133, cant even get 2400 out of it. Im sure once my new ram shows up this will be a non issue but with cheaper ram its a bit of a crapshoot right now.