Crumpet
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I have started piecing out a Ryzen platform to hold me off until skylake-x and 12cores.
You mean to hold you off until Ryzen 16c32t right, right?
I have started piecing out a Ryzen platform to hold me off until skylake-x and 12cores.
If you do any video work the 1700 becomes a no brainer. The streaming just means you need a couple extra cores and a 1600(x) would be fine. Gaming the question becomes if you are going to overclock? If you do the 1700 is a great value because it has the lowest defualt clock speeds and most cores and all Ryzen CPU's cap at withing 200MHz of each other (3.8-4.0 unless you get really lucky. Absolute Max is 4.2, and not worth it voltage wise).I currently have an Intel 7600K for gaming, however I am quite interested in upgrading to Ryzen. Should I go the Ryzen 7 route? Or Ryzen 5 for gaming? 1600 vs 1700 vs 7600K. I do plan on streaming and doing some video editing, and definitely lots of gaming.
I also found this memory for a steal. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313795
Would this work okay on a Ryzen build? I was also eyeballing the 1600 Combo's with a mATX board (just because of my case). https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3482372
Just want to make sure this is a decent build to put together. Or if I should save up a bit more and go for a 1700 or not. Would I see much of a difference between the 2 processors?
does command rate make much of a performance impact on RAM/data fabric with Ryzen?Many are new to me, too. But there's no need to know them all. One important option is the command rate setting (fixed at 1T for earlier AGESA versions, except for special BIOS versions like for the CH6, IIRC).
If you do any video work the 1700 becomes a no brainer. The streaming just means you need a couple extra cores and a 1600(x) would be fine. Gaming the question becomes if you are going to overclock? If you do the 1700 is a great value because it has the lowest defualt clock speeds and most cores and all Ryzen CPU's cap at withing 200MHz of each other (3.8-4.0 unless you get really lucky. Absolute Max is 4.2, and not worth it voltage wise).
It's a really big question. The 1600 is a gaming perf winner for gaming and over all value. But the 1700 will match its performance in gaming but is the absolute value option in Productivity.
Basically is the extra $100 worth 2 cores and the ability to multitask and bonus productivity to match a $1000 CPU. It's really that good against a 6900k.
If you don't overclock the answer is easy. Just get the 1600x. It's the best performance vs cost compromise in all of computers.
It can make a bit of a difference on memory performance but the only thing that affects IF performance is memory clocks speeds. So more clocks no matter what means better communication between ccx's.does command rate make much of a performance impact on RAM/data fabric with Ryzen?
Personally if you want out of the box performance the 1600x specifically is the king of value. The 1600 isn't bad, but the 1600x is the highest clocked Ryzen and the price isn't that far off from each other.I think I may stick with the 1600 then. I don't know if I'll be planning on overclocking or not, but more than likely not if it works the way it should out of the box. Would I see an even larger gain from getting faster memory? Or is the DDR4-2400 okay?
That's definitely causing a lot of issues for people. I think many just live with it and have developed some special procedure to get their system to boot (booting at 2133 then applying the correct setting, hitting the reset switch at just the right time etc.). But it's kind of ridiculous that this hasn't been fixed yet.
The 2T setting will make a huge difference for those who are able to boot, but can't get their system stable during stress tests. Most high performance RAM is intended to run at 2T.
On both my $90 Asrock board, and my $200 ASrock board, I just tell it in bios, PC3200, and it knows 1.35 volt and I save an boot. Works perfectly every time. Must be your motherboard needs a bios update or something.That's definitely causing a lot of issues for people. I think many just live with it and have developed some special procedure to get their system to boot (booting at 2133 then applying the correct setting, hitting the reset switch at just the right time etc.). But it's kind of ridiculous that this hasn't been fixed yet.
The 2T setting will make a huge difference for those who are able to boot, but can't get their system stable during stress tests. Most high performance RAM is intended to run at 2T.
Indirectly. Being able to use the appropriate command rate might help getting higher memory clocks and maybe even somewhat lower latencies (no experience with the latter). That's what would help. Not the command rate per se.does command rate make much of a performance impact on RAM/data fabric with Ryzen?
I haven't had any obvious issues with boot vDIMM vs actual vDIMM. Though maybe I just haven't noticed?
If you have a board that supports custom DRAM boot voltages, like the C6H, you can manually set the boot voltage to 1.35V. The problem is only apparent on boards that don't support custom DRAM boot voltage (most low-end and mid-range X370/B350 boards), or if you set it to Auto instead of manually specifying the voltage.
If you're lucky, 1.2V is enough to get past the DRAM training and on to the actual POST (where UEFI takes over and sets the correct voltage, like 1.35V). Often, 1.2V isn't enough for DRAM training at the selected timings, even though the RAM would have been stable once the system had booted (and switched to 1.35V).
In my case, it prevents me from running my B-die at 3200 C14. If I boot at a lower speed, and then apply those settings, save and (soft-)reboot, it's fine. But any attempt to cold boot at 3200 C14 will fail. Since I don't want to deal with nonsense like that, I'm stuck at 3200 C16 for now.
OK, I don't get it. Both the B350 pro4 and the Taichi have the same setting, set memory to XMP1 (I think thats it) and it runs my cl14 perfectly at 3200.Hmm. Makes me wonder why the B350 Pro4 can run DDR4-3200 CL/CAS 14 so easily, unless ASRock just doesn't have the boot training issue on any of their boards? I haven't seen such a setting in the Taichi UEFI yet (though admittedly, I have not updated to 2.3, I'm using 2.0 right now).
OK, I don't get it. Both the B350 pro4 and the Taichi have the same setting, set memory to XMP1 (I think thats it) and it runs my cl14 perfectly at 3200.
OK, I don't get it. Both the B350 pro4 and the Taichi have the same setting, set memory to XMP1 (I think thats it) and it runs my cl14 perfectly at 3200.
ASRock are wizards. Even on my Intel B250M, I'm able to use overclocked memory. They definitely seem to have mastered this across all platforms!
I see it in stock, but sold by OutletPC for $134, instead of the $90 I paid, and still is lisyted as the price if newegg had it in their stock !Guess that's why the asrock pro4 board is still out of stock.
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