AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[ScottAD]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASRock-AB35...730888?hash=item44019b4c08:g:C6MAAOSwnF9Y7ixO

Here's the ASRock AB350M Pro4 on ebay (Newegg). Guess that I'll pay the $7 more for the AMD overclocking tax.

Edit: OK, pulled the trigger, on that board, and a R5 1600 (non-X, though the X might have been worth it for gaming purposes).

You'll get 1600X performance out of that 1600 by the OC. Honestly the 1600 is hands down the price/performance champ right now. You'll get 3.8Ghz-4.1 dependent on the voltage you are willing to run and silicone lottery of course.

 

[Crono]

I hope that I can OC to a solid 3.8 on that combo, maybe 3.9 if I'm lucky? I figure hitting 4.0 would be really pushing it.

Edit: Now, onto the RAM. I've got two 8GB kits (2x4GB) of Avexir (blue LED) DDR4-2400, and a kit of black Team Dark 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-2400.

Is it that important to have DDR4-3200? Will DDR4-2400 suffice, for non-gaming tasks? Or will I see an improvement in DC stuff with 3200?

Wondering if it's worth spending more money, or just using what I have.

Edit: Also wondering if I should pick up another kit of the Team Dark 16GB DDR4-2400, to have 32GB.

If I'm doing BOINC, I need so much RAM per core/thread, for each task to run. I figure 2-4GB per task, so 12 tasks, that's 24-48GB of RAM.

3.8 is easy, won't take much voltage and you could do it with the stock cooler, if your case has adequate cooling. I have mine running at 3.9GHz with stock cooler. Most people don't have any issues hitting 3.8 or 3.9, it's 4GHz and past that it can get tricky with managing voltage and heat.

DDR4-2400 probably would suffice for non-gaming. Most of the benchmarks I've seen show a significant enough gain for gaming to warrant going for higher speed RAM, but you'd be fine for DC stuff, I think. I haven't seen specific tests for that, though. For that much RAM I'd just go with the less expensive option like adding more of the Team Dark RAM.

Should I go with the 1600 or the 1600x? I already have a cooler master hyper 212 evo on hand, so the price difference is really only $30. Would the 212 be able to cool the 1600x enough if I overclocked it to the max?

All the comparisons I've seen put the stock cooler (Wraith Spire) for the 1600 at the same level as the EVO. The benefit of the Wraith Spire is you don't need a AM4 bracket for it, if you don't already have one for the EVO. I think you'd probably want to get a liquid cooler or one of the beefier dual tower heatsinks if you are aiming for 4.0GHz or higher, but for under that you'd likely be fine (depending on your specific cooling setup) with either the EVO or stock.

My (limited) understanding of Ryzen, is that overclocking of any current-model Ryzen CPU is process-limited, such that you are unlikely to get much above 4Ghz on air anyways. Since the 1600X turbos to 4.0Ghz (is that all-core?), then manual OCing of that chip is largely pointless.

Boost is 4.0GHz two-core for 1600X.

 

[LTC8K6]

You have >2 core boost, 2 core boost, and XFR.

For the 1800X example:

Greater than 2 core boost is 3.7
2 core boost is 4.0
XFR is 4.1

https://www.pcper.com/files/news/2017-03-04/prec_boost.png

 

[VirtualLarry]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Team-T-Forc...4-21300-Des-/381981157543?hash=item58efd9e8a7

How's this kit for Ryzen R5 1600? I could, perhaps, get two of them. But then I'd be spending WAAAY more than I wanted to. (That would be more on RAM than on the CPU+mobo.)

I think maybe I'll just stick to the single Team Dark 16GB DDR4-2400 kit for now. I couldn't find an exact duplicate on Newegg's ebay site.

 

[crashtech]

The 1600 is a hell of a value, 12 threads for i5 pricing is crazy good.

 

[Indus]

Guys I need some help here. I picked the GIGABYTE GA-AX370-Gaming (rev. 1.0) AM4 AMD X370 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

But I need advice on what memory. I'm looking for 32 GB in 2 sticks of DDR 4.

And if someone can suggest a better board, feel free. But I need 8x SATA and it to be really durable. Gigabyte for me has been super durable as I've had 4 motherboards that all lasted 10+ years so that's why I'm staying with them.

 

[Topweasel]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Team-T-Forc...4-21300-Des-/381981157543?hash=item58efd9e8a7

How's this kit for Ryzen R5 1600? I could, perhaps, get two of them. But then I'd be spending WAAAY more than I wanted to. (That would be more on RAM than on the CPU+mobo.)

I think maybe I'll just stick to the single Team Dark 16GB DDR4-2400 kit for now. I couldn't find an exact duplicate on Newegg's ebay site.

It's not a bad price. Not great either. But I spent $180 on a 32GB 16x2 3200 CL15 kit when Ryzen launched before this current price hike. Honestly 16GB sticks tend to be stuck at 2666 for a little bit longer anyways.

 

[EXCellR8]

I also +1 ASRock. ...I just wish tho they would drop FATALITY brand because its just straight up stupid.
Infact he's not even active in the PXLAN scenes anymore nor is he #1.
Kill his royalties and give us the user the discount from not having to pay him to use his stupid name on the gear.

don't like the Fatal1ty branding either, but the same argument could be made about ROG this, ROG that, and anything that uses the words "Gaming" or "Pro." don't buy it if you don't like it??

also, what happens if the "#1" player goes by "xIF**cK3dUrMuM6969x" ???

 

[DrMrLordX]

Sorry to report that at step 6, I get a boot loop with "F9" displayed, same as when setting the speeds manually in the UEFI. After about 4 loops or so, it gives up trying to apply the RAM timings and ignores them, defaulting to 2133 and booting to Windows.

Edit: I did perform a proof of concept by applying all of your recommended settings through Ryzen Master, but selecting 1467 (2933) instead, and it booted fine at that speed. So I'm able to use the software correctly, but the machine won't boot with the RAM at 3200, it never has, so far, even with highly relaxed timings.

Hmm.

What do you get from Thaiphoon Burner when running that G.Skill RAM?

However i may end up selling the entire system to my cousin because for a productivity machine, i would really like to have ECC ram.

I'm pretty sure AM4 supports ECC RAM already, at least for Ryzen systems. Most, if not all, of ASRock's AM4 boards support it. Dunno what speeds you'll get though.

 

[DrMrLordX]

But I need advice on what memory. I'm looking for 32 GB in 2 sticks of DDR 4.

What's your budget?

And if someone can suggest a better board, feel free. But I need 8x SATA and it to be really durable..

Asus C6H or ASRock Taichi (or X370 Fatal1ty Pro if you can't get a Taichi; they're basically the same board).

 

[Indus]

What's your budget?

$200-250ish. Basically I can deal with DDR 2400 if 3200 is only a slight upgrade in gaming/ photoshop/ lightroom. If 3200 is worth it, I'll spend the extra money for it.

 

[DrMrLordX]

$200-250ish. Basically I can deal with DDR 2400 if 3200 is only a slight upgrade in gaming/ photoshop/ lightroom. If 3200 is worth it, I'll spend the extra money for it.

Well, you have two options.

1). Pay an extra $70 or so over your budget for RAM like what aigomorla got for his system:

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#s=403200&Z=32768002&L=140&sort=-price&page=1

(I recommend the Trident Z, though there's a Corsair kit with relaxed CAS timings that's still b-die that is suitable and may run CL/CAS14 anyway)

2). Get something cheaper in hopes that AGESA 1.0.0.6 supplies sufficient compatibility improvements for you to run it at speeds higher than DDR4-2400:

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#s=403200&Z=32768002&L=140,160&sort=-price&page=1

 

[Indus]

How much of a difference will I see in framerate with faster memory?

 

[IEC]

If your budget is strict I would say targeting DDR4-2667 would be more realistic, especially with dual-rank DIMMS @ 2x16GB. The dual rank would also make up some of the raw speed differences versus 3200 single rank. Here's your motherboard's memory QVL:
http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-rev-10#support-doc

Gigabyte does not appear to have any 16GB DIMMs listed on their QVL, so there will be no officially guaranteed compatibility no matter what DIMMs you get in a 2x16GB configuration (yet). It would be best to make sure whatever kit you have is widely reported by users as working at 2667+ on Ryzen.

 

[Indus]

I don't understand dual rank vs single rank. I've always put in memory in pairs on intel i5 and I used 2 x 8 gb pc1600.

Is there something special I need to know about with AMD? I just want 32 gigs of ram. I'm not trying for the best or fastest overclock.. just a reasonable one.. will be trying to get 1600 @ 3.9-4.0 on 212 evo. I'm not sure how memory in single or dual rank will effect it.

 

[scannall]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Team-T-Forc...4-21300-Des-/381981157543?hash=item58efd9e8a7

How's this kit for Ryzen R5 1600? I could, perhaps, get two of them. But then I'd be spending WAAAY more than I wanted to. (That would be more on RAM than on the CPU+mobo.)

I think maybe I'll just stick to the single Team Dark 16GB DDR4-2400 kit for now. I couldn't find an exact duplicate on Newegg's ebay site.

Oh, and welcome to the Ryzen party Larry. Come on in, the water is fine. ;-)

 

[ScottAD]

I don't understand dual rank vs single rank. I've always put in memory in pairs on intel i5 and I used 2 x 8 gb pc1600.

Is there something special I need to know about with AMD? I just want 32 gigs of ram. I'm not trying for the best or fastest overclock.. just a reasonable one.. will be trying to get 1600 @ 3.9-4.0 on 212 evo. I'm not sure how memory in single or dual rank will effect it.

The simplest way to explain the rank I think is how the data is parsed in the RAM. In single rank it is like a sprint. Data goes from point a to B linearly while in dual rank its more like a Nascar track it goes around both sides. It's why single rank is typically seen as superior, reduced latency

 

[bfun_x1]

You'll get 1600X performance out of that 1600 by the OC. Honestly the 1600 is hands down the price/performance champ right now. You'll get 3.9Ghz-4.1 dependent on the voltage you are willing to run and silicone lottery of course.

I really don't think 3.9 is guaranteed with a 1600. I haven't been able to get mine stable past 3.85 even at 1.4v. I know another person that was also limited to 3.8. In hindsight I wish I'd gone with the 1600X.

 

[ScottAD]

I really don't think 3.9 is guaranteed with a 1600. I haven't been able to get mine stable past 3.85 even at 1.4v. I know another person that was also limited to 3.8. In hindsight I wish I'd gone with the 1600X.

Actually you're right. I thought I type 3.8 but 3.8 is definitely achievable! Fixed my post!

 

[bfun_x1]

Should I go with the 1600 or the 1600x? I already have a cooler master hyper 212 evo on hand, so the price difference is really only $30. Would the 212 be able to cool the 1600x enough if I overclocked it to the max?

I have a Thermalright True Spirit 120 with a Noctua fan on it and the performance should be close to the 212 EVO. You will not be able to OC to the max with that cooler. It's good for 3.8 but 3.9 would be pushing it.

 

[crashtech]

Hmm.

What do you get from Thaiphoon Burner when running that G.Skill RAM?

 

[DrMrLordX]

I don't understand dual rank vs single rank. I've always put in memory in pairs on intel i5 and I used 2 x 8 gb pc1600.

Is there something special I need to know about with AMD? I just want 32 gigs of ram. I'm not trying for the best or fastest overclock.. just a reasonable one.. will be trying to get 1600 @ 3.9-4.0 on 212 evo. I'm not sure how memory in single or dual rank will effect it.

With Ryzen, you will see faster memory performance at any given memory speed using dual-rank DIMMS. But it's a challenge getting to max RAM clocks using dual-rank DIMMS. All 16 GB DIMMS are currently dual-rank, making it more of a challenge to hit DDR4-3200, though it is possible (aigo is doing it right now using some Trident Z DDR4-3200 CL14 on a Taichi).

Memory has the same influence on performance you'd expect, plus it run's Ryzen's internal Infinity Fabric at a speed equal to 1/2 the RAM speed. So DDR4-3200 provides you with 400 MHz faster fabric speed vs DDR4-2400, for example. That's very important for some games that spawn few threads that can be bounced around between CCXs on Ryzen. Performance gains vary from title to title, though with some of the most contentious titles (let's say Starcraft II is one of the worst), you can expect, what, +15% fps or more running DDR4-3200? The C6H support DDR4-4000 now, and some X370 boards should also support straps up to that speed once AGESA 1.0.0.6 is supported by UEFI updates. That would be +800 MHz fabric speed for those that can hit such stellar speeds.

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Okay, looks like classic single-rank b-die. Should be good for DDR4-3200 CAS/CL14. I'm stumped on that one. I was concerned that it might be dual-rank but it isn't. I'm thinking Ryzen's secondaries are what are killing you. You'll need a UEFI rev. that let's you tweak those to get those most out of those DIMMs.

 

[Reinvented]

I ended up ordering these last night on impulse, because all of your rave about 3200 memory. These were on the QVL for my board, so hopefully they will work properly out of the box. I'm assuming since it said it was Samsung die's, it's the correct one that you all talk about?https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232229

Is there an overclocking guide somewhere as well?

 

[IEC]

I ended up ordering these last night on impulse, because all of your rave about 3200 memory. These were on the QVL for my board, so hopefully they will work properly out of the box. I'm assuming since it said it was Samsung die's, it's the correct one that you all talk about?https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232229

Is there an overclocking guide somewhere as well?

That's definitely B-die (no other IC is capable of that speed/timings combo), but yeesh prices have really gone up on those. They were around $150 pre coupon code before I posted about them being B-die.

 

[Rifter]

mmm lemme shine my thoughts on it larry since i got a 1800X with all the bells and whistles on it thanks to the guys in this thread.

Ryzen is a beast, if you need a productivity machine.
Cinebench, Handbreak, Winrar extraction.... its a beast with all those threads.
However i may end up selling the entire system to my cousin because for a productivity machine, i would really like to have ECC ram.

Also i do not spend most of the time on it doing productivity because again, the cpu is such a beast, it finishes all its tasks in an insane small amount of time, which leaves it at idle unless i game'd on it.

So i may end up waiting for threadripper, and hope it has ECC support because i feel most productivity machines should have ECC ram.

So i am back on my 7700k for my daily driver because i spend about 80% of my time gaming when i am sitting in front of a monitor.
And the 7700k is the current queen beating out even the 6950X when it comes to pure gaming.

So if you need a productivity machine, larry dont look back, grab a Ryzen.
If you need a gaming machine, your much better off with a 7700k or waiting for CFL.

Oh also note... if your gonna run a m.2 drive get a heatsink like mark suggested.
Those suckers run really hot especially when doing encoding tasks, and a good sink will keep it in check.

Pretty sure it supports ECC already.