AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[IEC]

1800X is 3.6, right? Very tame overclock you have there, sir. Do you have any games to test?

It takes around 1.4V to hit 4GHz on this 1800X. And near 1.32V to hit 3.9GHz. I prefer a tame 1.25V for 24/7 usage.

I don't have that extensive of a Steam library, but if I have a game I'd be happy to benchmark it.

These days all I play with my gaming buddies is PUBG.

 

[Reinvented]

It takes around 1.4V to hit 4GHz on this 1800X. And near 1.32V to hit 3.9GHz. I prefer a tame 1.25V for 24/7 usage.

I don't have that extensive of a Steam library, but if I have a game I'd be happy to benchmark it.

These days all I play with my gaming buddies is PUBG.

I do try and play PUBG, but mostly Dota 2 and Overwatch. Performance has generally been good. I even reinstalled Doom, since they updated it with all the DLC for free. Game runs fantastic with Vulkan.

 

[Crumpet]

Well stuff me sideways with a spoon. I was wondering if my unstable overclocks were due to the tctl hitting 93c, when in reality the cores were only sitting at 73 under 100% load.

I disabled SenseMi Skew in the BIOS (Asus C6H - Extreme Tweaker > external power control ...I think. It was set to Auto)

Since disabling SenseMi Skew I slowed down my water pump RPM and allowed cpu temp to go over 73c, no shutdown. Okay. Upped the rpm backup to let it cool properly for safety and off we go.

I've gone from what was 4.1ghz @1.425v overclock, could game but wouldn't prime95 at all (hence tinkering for stability etc plus wanting to extend the life of my cpu);

And now i'm currently Prime 95 testing right now, 40 minutes into 4ghz @1.3v after passing 1 hour at 3.8ghz and 1 hour at 3.9ghz. 57c with 73c tctl. My temps are lower, my voltage is lower, my OC is more stable.

Perhaps something for you lot to look into?

--edit-- Couldn't get 4.1ghz prime95 stable at 1.375v, which was the limit I was willing to go up to today.

But Prime95 was stopped after 1 hour at 1.325v LLC 2, which left me around 1.275v after vdroop.

Disabling SenseMi Skew has definitely improved my system stability as far as Prime95 testing goes.

 

[EXCellR8]

1500X machine is online... new BIOS and 3200mhz memory profile working fine, reused the Corsair Dominator Platinums from the Skylake. looked a little wonky after the flash but I pretended that I didn't see anything... so far it's performing wonderfully.

Was planning to do a complete fresh install of 10 but after missing the boot from DVD it launched and installed a bunch of new drivers; worked fine after that so screw it. only bumped the speed up a notch or two and it's sitting at around 30c with the AIO. I'll admit I wrongfully judged these little mainstream kits before I tried one but damn is this Corsair liquid kit the bomb. AM4 bracket snapped right on and the mounting was super simple. just like it should be.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Is there some trick to getting manual DRAM main timings to "stick" when using XMP? So that you can enable XMP to get the faster DRAM clock selections, and then set the timings manually as an override?

I've just upgraded two of my Ryzen 5 1600 rigs, with ASRock AB350M Pro4 mobos, with Team Vulcan DDR4-3000 2x8GB kits. I've got them in the "right" slots, according to the board manual insert in the box. (Slots 2 and 4)

I can't see to get my board to boot stable, at 1.3500V VDIMM, at anything over DDR4-2667. One of the boards, I got to boot at 2800, the other not so much.

I was hoping to be able to just enable XMP, select 2933 speed, and go.

Edit: I think that I see the problem.

There's only one XMP entry in the SPD, showing up in CPU-Z. Jedec 1066Mhz, several with different CAS latencies, and 1.20V, and one lone XMP setting, at 1.350V, for 1499Mhz, 16-18-18-38-56 timings.

So, when I set my AB350M Pro4 to 2933, or any sort of similar setting, there's no corresponding XMP in the SPD.

I wonder if that "Burner" program could fix this issue, while at the same time voiding the warranty on my shiny new $115 (ea) 16GB DDR4 kits.

Edit: If anyone can help me with this T. Burner program, I'd much appreciate it. How do I create an XMP Profile 2? Currently it says N/A.

 

[EXCellR8]

never tried altering profiles... interesting concept, though.

these corsair/samsungs from mid 2015 had two; maybe I just got lucky but they board seems perfectly content running them at full speed.

 

[Reinvented]

Is there some trick to getting manual DRAM main timings to "stick" when using XMP? So that you can enable XMP to get the faster DRAM clock selections, and then set the timings manually as an override?

I've just upgraded two of my Ryzen 5 1600 rigs, with ASRock AB350M Pro4 mobos, with Team Vulcan DDR4-3000 2x8GB kits. I've got them in the "right" slots, according to the board manual insert in the box. (Slots 2 and 4)

I can't see to get my board to boot stable, at 1.3500V VDIMM, at anything over DDR4-2667. One of the boards, I got to boot at 2800, the other not so much.

I was hoping to be able to just enable XMP, select 2933 speed, and go.

Edit: I think that I see the problem.

There's only one XMP entry in the SPD, showing up in CPU-Z. Jedec 1066Mhz, several with different CAS latencies, and 1.20V, and one lone XMP setting, at 1.350V, for 1499Mhz, 16-18-18-38-56 timings.

So, when I set my AB350M Pro4 to 2933, or any sort of similar setting, there's no corresponding XMP in the SPD.

I wonder if that "Burner" program could fix this issue, while at the same time voiding the warranty on my shiny new $115 (ea) 16GB DDR4 kits.

Edit: If anyone can help me with this T. Burner program, I'd much appreciate it. How do I create an XMP Profile 2? Currently it says N/A.

If I remember correctly, the 2933 is the strap is what it'll set to for DDR4-3000. As far as getting it to boot, at those speeds sometimes it's hit or miss. I recommend you contact ASRock and see if they have a beta bios for you to try, or find out what they recommend for settings.
Let us know how it goes.
Perhaps you might need to raise SoC voltages?

 

[VirtualLarry]

SoC voltage is a good idea, but ASRock does not expose that as a UEFI setting on the AB350M Pro4.

 

[Reinvented]

SoC voltage is a good idea, but ASRock does not expose that as a UEFI setting on the AB350M Pro4.

Only vcore options are available? No SoC/LLC? That's kinda stupid imo, especially since the B350's are sold as overclocking boards as well.

 

[EXCellR8]

does the BIOS have an 'advanced' mode?

 

[Crumpet]

For any potential builders out there, look at this beauty of a deal!

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145009&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

$110 for a Gigabyte X370 full ATX motherboard, with a FREE Deepcool windowed case worth $55

$110

 

[Pick2]

For any potential builders out there, look at this beauty of a deal!
$110 for a Gigabyte X370 full ATX motherboard, with a FREE Deepcool windowed case worth $55

I looked at that , was waiting for the wife to wake up and then ... Gone in a flash ! No free case , and that case is now $88
I was gonna pull the trigger ... now I'll need a bigger gun - Maybe a Stinger Missile

 

[Crumpet]

I looked at that , was waiting for the wife to wake up and then ... Gone in a flash ! No free case , and that case is now $88
I was gonna pull the trigger ... now I'll need a bigger gun - Maybe a Stinger Missile

Ouch, unlucky man. Thats what we get for having to report to the ladies.

 

[repoman0]

I got my 1700X from a few pages back -- swapped out the 1700 yesterday and it looks like I can get 3.9GHz with default voltage (1.35, no LLC on my board). Now I have my p-states set to the default 2.1, 3.0 and P0 is 3.9. The 1700 was something like 1.6, 2.7 and 3.5, so a decent bump all around. I have the feeling I could have just set the 1700 to 3.9 at around 1.35ish full time and lived with no downclocking, but I'm a little obsessive about it

I ran Prime95 at 4.0 for a while and both instances on one core failed, 3.9 will run seemingly indefinitely, so I'll probably run 3.8 for an extra cushion.

Unfortunately my memory will no longer run at 2400MHz ... all kinds of weird behavior and crashes. Since I foolishly made a few changes at once, I'll have to figure out which it is ... new 1.0.0.6a bios on my AB350M Pro4, new chip, or higher operating frequency. This same memory ran flawlessly at 2666 on my old Skylake system. Might have to upgrade it, if I reread some reviews and decide it's worth it.

 

[Topweasel]

I looked at that , was waiting for the wife to wake up and then ... Gone in a flash ! No free case , and that case is now $88
I was gonna pull the trigger ... now I'll need a bigger gun - Maybe a Stinger Missile

Probably better to order it and then cancel if she said no.

 

[Kenmitch]

Probably better to order it and then cancel if she said no.

You guys are too funny....As you get older they should drop!

 

[memory]

I am looking into building an amd ryzen 1700x system but still weighing my options to go with amd or intel build or buy a prebuilt.

For my amd build, I was told to post here about what ram to get with the amd ryzen 1700x cpu. I was told speeds above 2400mhz can be hit or miss.

Here are the main components so far

CPU: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113429

MOBO: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144030

RAM: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231941
or this
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233911

On the ram, would it be better to have 16gb(8x2gb) or just a 16gb stick?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Always go dual-channel, so 2x8GB is the way to go.

I would not get either RAM kit personally. Stick to b-die wherever possible. Try stuff off of one of these lists:

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#s=403200&Z=16384002&L=100,140&sort=price&page=1

Or

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/m...404266&Z=16384002&L=100,190&sort=price&page=1

You may also find some b-die from DDR4-3466 but it's harder to pin down.

 

[Reinvented]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232217&ignorebbr=1

Is what I use. I have no problem running DDR4-3200 at all, and it's been like that since day 1 for me.

 

[memory]

Always go dual-channel, so 2x8GB is the way to go.

I would not get either RAM kit personally. Stick to b-die wherever possible. Try stuff off of one of these lists:

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#s=403200&Z=16384002&L=100,140&sort=price&page=1

Or

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/m...404266&Z=16384002&L=100,190&sort=price&page=1

You may also find some b-die from DDR4-3466 but it's harder to pin down.

So what is b-die? And what is the difference between the G Skill ram I have selected and the G Skill ram on your lists?

 

[Malogeek]

So what is b-die? And what is the difference between the G Skill ram I have selected and the G Skill ram on your lists?

Samsung b-die are the chips used on the DIMMs. They're highly compatible with Ryzen systems and basically guaranteed to have no problems hitting the desired rating for the memory. Considering how well Ryzen scales with memory speed, you want at least 3200 b-die CL14. As someone with non-samsung memory, I'd highly recommend spending the extra $50, I wish I did.

 

[scannall]

On the ram, would it be better to have 16gb(8x2gb) or just a 16gb stick?

2 sticks, it's a dual channel system and you will take a performance hit using only 1 channel.

These should be the b-die memory. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205

 

[memory]

Samsung b-die are the chips used on the DIMMs. They're highly compatible with Ryzen systems and basically guaranteed to have no problems hitting the desired rating for the memory. Considering how well Ryzen scales with memory speed, you want at least 3200 b-die CL14. As someone with non-samsung memory, I'd highly recommend spending the extra $50, I wish I did.

Ok how do I know what ram has a b-die chip? I see nothing about that listed in the specs of the ram I have looked at.

 

[scannall]

Ok how do I know what ram has a b-die chip? I see nothing about that listed in the specs of the ram I have looked at.

Latency of 14. 15 or higher is the Hynix. Some of those also overclock well, but it's hit or miss. The b-dies are reliable there.

 

[memory]

So 14 or lower latency or exactly 14?