AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[Chicken76]

Then no need for a x370 unless you need the sli or the extra pci lanes. Save the cost.
I would take some memory that do 3200 and certainly is on mb qvl list. Perhaps 2933 with some nice timings. Make sure of that. Use your money here.

Yeah you are actually going to be okay with B350 if you are not going to OC.
I have Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3733 and it works great.

Thanks guys. I've checked the QVL of some boards that are in my price range and have the features I need and they only list modules up to 3200 MHz. It would be a gamble going with higher frequency modules, right?

Any brand or model you would recommend staying away from? I'm assuming the major brands (Asus, Gigabyte, Asrock, Msi) aren't putting out terrible boards these days, right?

 

[Pick2]

Personally , I'd avoid Asus for the time being. Asrock seems to be the best at the moment , Gigabyte and MSI aren't to bad either.

 

[scannall]

Thanks guys. I've checked the QVL of some boards that are in my price range and have the features I need and they only list modules up to 3200 MHz. It would be a gamble going with higher frequency modules, right?

Any brand or model you would recommend staying away from? I'm assuming the major brands (Asus, Gigabyte, Asrock, Msi) aren't putting out terrible boards these days, right?

So far Asrock seems the most stable, and best for overclocking ram. Gigabyte is pretty close though.

 

[Hans Gruber]

This is a Ryzen 3 question. I built my brother a Intel Pentium 4560 setup. If I give that rig to my mom and build him a Ryzen 3 either 1200 or 1300x. Clock for clock if I OC the 1200 and 1300x to 3.9Ghz. Would they be the same performance wise or does the 1300x have more cache or better instruction sets than the 1200. Then down the road I could throw in a R7 CPU.

 

[VirtualLarry]

If you're just going to manually OC the Ryzen 3 CPU, then get the 1200 model. There really isn't much difference between the two. They both are 4C/4T, with 8MB L3 cache (half the L3 of the R5/R7 CPUs).

You can check out ebay, sometimes refurbforless has them for $100 or so, and there was a recent Fry's special for $89.99, but no longer available for shipping. (Check SD.)

The other possibility, is just skipping the interim chip, and getting an Ryzen 5 1600X for $214.99 off of ebay from refurbforless immediately, instead of getting the 1200 initially. Especially if you will be gaming with it, if you can afford it, I would do that.

Edit: I did see either a HardwareUnboxed or GamersNexus YT vid comparing the R3 1200 and 1300X with the G4560, with several different GPUs (1060, 1070, 1080), and the 1200, OCed to like 4Ghz, did edge out the G4560 in most cases, but it wasn't a huge, overwhelming difference, although GTA V benefits from the true quad-core.

 

[Hans Gruber]

If you're just going to manually OC the Ryzen 3 CPU, then get the 1200 model. There really isn't much difference between the two. They both are 4C/4T, with 8MB L3 cache (half the L3 of the R5/R7 CPUs).

You can check out ebay, sometimes refurbforless has them for $100 or so, and there was a recent Fry's special for $89.99, but no longer available for shipping. (Check SD.)

The other possibility, is just skipping the interim chip, and getting an Ryzen 5 1600X for $214.99 off of ebay from refurbforless immediately, instead of getting the 1200 initially. Especially if you will be gaming with it, if you can afford it, I would do that.

Edit: I did see either a HardwareUnboxed or GamersNexus YT vid comparing the R3 1200 and 1300X with the G4560, with several different GPUs (1060, 1070, 1080), and the 1200, OCed to like 4Ghz, did edge out the G4560 in most cases, but it wasn't a huge, overwhelming difference, although GTA V benefits from the true quad-core.

I built two Pentium systems one with the 4560 and the other with a 4620 CPU. They run everything well. Not power monsters @ 3.5ghz and 3.7Ghz. The one I built for my brother has a 7950 GPU from my current system but was retired a couple of years ago. My 3570K @ 4.5ghz is still a beast of a CPU. I do see the need for 4 or more cores with hyper threading. I think I got the 4560 for $55 and the 4620 for $70.

I know the 1300x comes with a cooler. I have a thermalright 120mm cooler and simply need to buy a $12 universal bracket for AM4. I could probably use a new 120mm fan as well. Right now I am just looking. I use the NZXT S340 cases. I just opened my NZXT case for the first time in months to add another Samsung 850evo 500GB SSD. There was not a spec of dust in the case. I have been using shit cases in the past.

I have a cooler master 280MM liquid cooler new in the box but that is for my next build to replace my 3570K. I have a seasonic 620w power supply for this next budget build sitting in the box. I just need a motherboard, case, ram and motherboard. I can transfer HDD's and SSD drives from existing builds.

I just want to know whatever AMD CPU I get will be an improvement over the Pentium 4560. Otherwise I would just put in another 4560.

Will 2400mhz ram be enough for should I get faster ram?

I always manually OC my builds.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Well, I just ran CPU-Z's benchmark, and while I don't have the actual scores handy, it did score higher, in BOTH ST and MT, than: 1) the 2600K, and 2) the FX-8350... when overclocked to 3.80Ghz. I think that I had the RAM possibly overclocked from 2400 to 2667. Although, I had some issues POSTing with the higher RAM speed (RAM was specced at 2400), so I dropped it back down.

Faster RAM (up to 3200, or possibly higher?), definitely makes a difference for Ryzen rigs. (Edit: Although, 2400 is workable.)

 

[Hans Gruber]

Well, I just ran CPU-Z's benchmark, and while I don't have the actual scores handy, it did score higher, in BOTH ST and MT, than: 1) the 2600K, and 2) the FX-8350... when overclocked to 3.80Ghz. I think that I had the RAM possibly overclocked from 2400 to 2667. Although, I had some issues POSTing with the higher RAM speed (RAM was specced at 2400), so I dropped it back down.

Faster RAM (up to 3200, or possibly higher?), definitely makes a difference for Ryzen rigs. (Edit: Although, 2400 is workable.)

Larry,
You didn't list your Ryzen 3. Do you have the 1200 or the 1300x?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Oh, I have the 1200.

 

[scannall]

Ok, a friend wants a sub $700 gaming machine. Not the easiest thing in the world to plan, but here it is. Any thoughts or opinions?

Very basic gaming

 

[Reinvented]

Ok, a friend wants a sub $700 gaming machine. Not the easiest thing in the world to plan, but here it is. Any thoughts or opinions?

Very basic gaming

Where do you currently live? If you are in the US, try and get to a Microcenter, or even a Fry's as they have really good combos.

Does he need a DVD burner? You really only need it for installing an OS, or you can save money by just getting a key and using the MS media creation tool which allows you to install from a USB stick.

Also, if you check your list that you posted it even says that the case you picked out, doesn't have USB 3.0 ports in the front. You can get a better case than that, for cheaper that has all the newer stuff that would be compatible.

Some changes should be made for sure. You can do a lot better than that.

Edit: Here's what I came up with. I've never used PC Part picker before, because I know where to usually shop. There's so many places to shop, you have to broaden your scope! Use Amazon, Ebay, Newegg, Best Buy, Fry's, Microcenter. If you have to travel, travel for it. You're saving money on shipping costs sometimes, and gaining it back in deals/combos at times.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hqqX6X

Not sure why you went with dual channel 8 GB and in 3200. You only need to be overclocking the CPU if anything to get best bang for your buck. Just stick with 2400 memory, but get him at least 16 GB's if this is a gaming build. You won't see much of a difference at all with such a low end build at all in frames. Maybe at most 5 frames. 2GB's for a video card? That's silly also..are we playing Minesweeper? 4GB 1050 Ti or bust which will allow for 1080p at medium/high settings, or higher for newer games. Cases you can always do a lot better. I chose this one, because the chassis does not affect performance, it's just housing. You want a "better looking case", then increase your budget. Save yourself some extra money, and don't get a full ATX board. mATX is nice too, and has what you need. OS you can go to one of those sites that sells keys. I've done it multiple times and have had 0 problems. Windows 10 Pro for 35 dollars, and installed it from a USB stick. Easy.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Thanks guys. I've checked the QVL of some boards that are in my price range and have the features I need and they only list modules up to 3200 MHz. It would be a gamble going with higher frequency modules, right?

Depending on the board and your luck in CPU memory controllers, the fastest RAM speed you should expect for a daily OC is DDR4-3466 - 3600 or so.

Any brand or model you would recommend staying away from? I'm assuming the major brands (Asus, Gigabyte, Asrock, Msi) aren't putting out terrible boards these days, right?

I'm not overly-fond of MSI right now.

 

[krumme]

Yeah you are actually going to be okay with B350 if you are not going to OC.

I have Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3733 and it works great.

What speed, settings and timings?

 

[StefanR5R]

Edit: wrong thread.

 

[DrMrLordX]

What speed, settings and timings?

My max memclocks are DDR4-3466 14-14-14-28 1T. Granted I am using an X370 Taichi, but with the right B350 board you can do just as well.

 

[Topweasel]

Not sure why you went with dual channel 8 GB and in 3200. You only need to be overclocking the CPU if anything to get best bang for your buck. Just stick with 2400 memory, but get him at least 16 GB's if this is a gaming build.

I disagree I think 16GB is getting more useful but getting to about DDR4 3000 is the quickest and cheapest way to get better performance out of a Ryzen CPU.

 

[Markfw]

I disagree I think 16GB is getting more useful but getting to about DDR4 3000 is the quickest and cheapest way to get better performance out of a Ryzen CPU.

Since the cores talk to each other at memory speed, even at the same clock, the faster the memory, the faster the machine. My Taichi only supports (officially) 3200, so thats what I got, but I see some people running even higher. My TR is at 3600.

 

[Topweasel]

Since the cores talk to each other at memory speed, even at the same clock, the faster the memory, the faster the machine. My Taichi only supports (officially) 3200, so thats what I got, but I see some people running even higher. My TR is at 3600.

Yeah the returns start dampening at about 2933, as cost for memory speeds starts ramping up. But there is a pretty large difference in performance from 2400 to 3000.

 

[Markfw]

Yeah the returns start dampening at about 2933, as cost for memory speeds starts ramping up. But there is a pretty large difference in performance from 2400 to 3000.

I see your point. But if you can afford it, the faster the memory, the faster the system, unlike Intel.

 

[LTC8K6]

I see your point. But if you can afford it, the faster the memory, the faster the system, unlike Intel.

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And why?

 

[Reinvented]

I disagree I think 16GB is getting more useful but getting to about DDR4 3000 is the quickest and cheapest way to get better performance out of a Ryzen CPU.

Negative ghost rider. We're talking about a Ryzen 1200 here in his case. The BEST way to get quicker performance is to just overclock the CPU. You'll see VERY little gain going from 2400 to 3200 on such few cores. If it was productivity, that would very much change as the core count goes up, but I strongly disagree that getting faster memory over quantity in his case for budget gaming is the wrong option.

 

[Topweasel]

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And why?

Well not as much both see a benefit, but even with the mesh on SL-X. It's independent of the memory clock speeds so only tools and applications (though this includes some games) that are memory latency sensitive see a boost with faster memory.

Less Intel not getting a boost and more AMD doubling up in the benefits.

 

[Malogeek]

Ok, a friend wants a sub $700 gaming machine. Not the easiest thing in the world to plan, but here it is. Any thoughts or opinions?

Very basic gaming

I'd dump the DVD drive, go for the 1050ti 4Gb instead.

 

[scannall]

I'd dump the DVD drive, go for the 1050ti 4Gb instead.

It's a Blu-Ray actually. It's going to be doing double duty as a PC and a HTPC.

 

[krumme]

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And why?

Inter ccx speed is tied to memory speed.