AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[VirtualLarry]

Hello.

Saw this on another forum and I am not sure where to post this. I mean I don't know if it's real.

Someone unlocked the extra two cores of the 1600X?

https://gigglehd.com/gg/hard/1797571

What the f? Is this possible?

Anyone of you guys that built ryzen systems had any success doing that? And how?

When I saw that the BIOS had the option for a CCX bootstrap configuration, like changing to 3+3, or 4+0, it made me wonder if such a thing was possible. I wasn't successful in getting the "4+0" setting to take on my 1600. (Thus enabling ALL four cores, in one of the CCXs, when it ships with a 3+3 configuration stock.)

 

[psolord]

Seems the guy only received a wrongly named 1700X.


My Google Translate does not work for some strange reason and I pick up info as I go.

Well one can hope!

 

[.vodka]

Here's a proper look at how timings and memory speed improves Ryzen performance, unlike AT's take.

He's using a Vega, comparing 2666C16 auto timings, The Stilt's timings for 3200C14 and 3466C14, and 3600C16 with auto subtimings. All B-die.

Spoiler: Results

Unsurprisingly, auto subtimings are a disaster with 2666C16 and 3600C16 performing mostly similar in these five games, and true performance is hidden in tight subtimings.

If results like these had been posted in that article, it'd have been an eye opener for many people. Hopefully future Ryzen iterations are less reliant on such fast memory to perform as well as shown here.

 

[tamz_msc]

It's not unusual to see people in general refusing to reconsider their understandingof a subject or topic in the light of new data which challenges their older assumptions.

 

[coercitiv]

I have this kit on MSI B350 Mortar + 1600X, they won't go 3200 using A-XMP. I have them @2933Mhz currently. If further BIOS updates don't improve compatibility I may take the time to attempt a fully manual setting, but I don't plan to play games anytime soon on this machine so no rush there.

ok , Right now they're running at 2933@16,16,16,38,56 with 1.35 Voltage.CPu's Voltage was high so I reduced CPU's Voltage from 1.425 to 1.33

Quick update: using the latest BIOS from Sep. 19 my MSI Mortar finally works with this kit at 3200 just by enabling A-XMP, so expect to get full compatibility soon.

We have the same kit, for reference I'm inserting a SS of the kit specs:

Spoiler: Kit Specs

 

[Hans Gruber]

I just finished building a Ryzen test setup. I have a R3 1200 but with mid grade parts and memory. My plan has always been to upgrade to a 1600 or 1700 down the road within a year.
R3 1200 3.8ghz @1.2875v
Team Pro Dark 8GB kit 2 X 4GB 3200mhz
Cooler Master MasterLiquid 240mm AIO
MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon
240GB SSD

I have the ram up to 3066mhz right now in testing. The newer bios definitely help in the ram department. MSI has a try it feature in the memory section with timings that usually work. Not as concerned with memory latency right now. I am trying to dial in 3200mhz in the memory speed. I think with new bios updates the memory compatibility issues will be a thing of the past.

One question. Right now in the Ryzen platform what are the highest memory clock speeds people have gotten stable?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Depends on your definition of stable. Some folks have booted with DDR4-4000 bench stable, but for 24/7 I think the fastest I've seen was DDR4-3600.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Depends on your definition of stable. Some folks have booted with DDR4-4000 bench stable, but for 24/7 I think the fastest I've seen was DDR4-3600.

I now have my ram @ 3200mhz stable 16-16-16-38 @ 1.38v the extra voltage is for extra stability. I have a Team Dark Pro kit and it has the thickest and heaviest heatsinks that I have ever had. My Gskill sniper series DDR3 ram feels like paperweights compared to these DDR4 sticks.

I have settled in on 3850mhz on the Ryzen 1200 @ 1.2875v The boost on the core says 1.328v in the bios and on CPU-Z shows 1.328v under load and when at idle 1.275v or low load. I have a 620w Seasonic bronze power supply that is rock solid on voltages.

I am new to Ryzen so I will study this platform and tinker for the next few weeks. Thanks for the feedback. Any idea on what timings I should attempt at 3400mhz or 3600mhz with the memory?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Sorry if you have already done so, but can you post a screenshot of the Thaiphoon Burner output for your RAM? You may have ICs that will behave very differently from mine.

 

[gammaray]

So if i were to build a 1700X system, which RAM should i get and clock it to what spec to get the most out of it?

 

[tamz_msc]

So if i were to build a 1700X system, which RAM should i get and clock it to what spec to get the most out of it?

If money were no object, 3200MHz CL14 Samsung B-die is the best memory for Ryzen.

 

[Eric1987]

I still cannot get my RAM 3000 or above stable. I thought all these RAM issues were gonna be fixed?

 

[tamz_msc]

I still cannot get my RAM 3000 or above stable. I thought all these RAM issues were gonna be fixed?

What RAM do you have? Are you on the latest AGESA 1.0.0.6b BIOS?

If you're having issues, then have a look at this and see if it helps-
DDR4 training on AM4

 

[Eric1987]

16GB of 3400 16 18 18 38. F43400C168GTZ Gskill

And yes I am on b.

 

[Reinvented]

16GB of 3400 16 18 18 38. F43400C168GTZ Gskill

And yes I am on b.

Probably won't happen with those chips.

 

[Eric1987]

Great need to buy more RAM now. Hell I'd be okay with 3000.

 

[Reinvented]

Great need to buy more RAM now. Hell I'd be okay with 3000.

What board are you using? List out your specs.

 

[.vodka]

Great need to buy more RAM now. Hell I'd be okay with 3000.

Please run thaiphoon burner to check what memory ICs your gskill kit has. If it is Samsung B-die then your problem isn't the memory, as those chips are the most compatible with Ryzen.

The 3466 MHz 16-18-18 kit uses B-die which is ideal, but I don't know about the 3400MHz one. That speed has to be B-die, but you never know.

 

[Reinvented]

Please run thaiphoon burner to check what memory ICs your gskill kit has. If it is Samsung B-die then your problem isn't the memory, as those chips are the most compatible with Ryzen.

The 3466 MHz 16-18-18 kit uses B-die which is ideal, but I don't know about the 3400MHz one. That speed has to be B-die, but you never know.

Latencies says otherwise...And i'm almost positive those are Hynix with those 16-18-18-38.

Also, speed doesn't make it B-die at all.

 

[tamz_msc]

Great need to buy more RAM now. Hell I'd be okay with 3000.

Just try doing it the way the reddit post I linked to you at first. 2933 CL16 should be doable with Hynix ICs.

 

[.vodka]

Latencies says otherwise...And i'm almost positive those are Hynix with those 16-18-18-38.

Also, speed doesn't make it B-die at all.

Above a speed grade, it does.

www.overclock.net/t/1627555/ryzen-memory-ic-collection-thread

Check the thaiphoon burner dumps on each kit. The cutoff from Hynix stuff to B-die is around 3200C16. 3200C14 is B-die, almost anything faster than 3200MHz is B-die.

Still, his kit isn't common, which is why I asked him to check.

16GB of 3400 16 18 18 38. F43400C168GTZ Gskill

And yes I am on b.

Aaaand here it is, in the Samsung E-die list

E-die doesn't clock as high as B-bie, but should be better than Hynix stuff at the very least. This is also dual rank memory, which doesn't clock as high as single rank.

I suppose there could be some tweaking to be made to stabilize XMP 3400MHz timings on 3000-3200MHz...

 

[Eric1987]

So I'm out of luck?

 

[.vodka]

It's certainly against your luck (especially on the dual rank part), but you have a Prime X370 pro. That motherboard has enough options to let you do some tweaking and try to get your memory running faster.

@tamz_msc linked you this. That's a great place to start. Do these steps and see where that gets you.

• find out what strap your kit boot with XMP profile, for me it was 2666, make sure the voltages are set correctly for your kit (1.35V for mine) and you might also up VSoC to 1.15V. Save it as your testing profile.
  
  
• set timings to some safe values like 18-18-18-18-38-58, save and boot, if it boots, save into profile.
  
  
• change ProcODT to values between 40-96, see which ones are booting with your current strap. If given ProcODT setting works (you can boot with it to bios), save it to your profile.
  
  
• For every working ProcODT setting try to disable GearDownMode. If it boots - note it down, and save it into your profile.
  
  
• set Command Rate to 2T, although at this point it should boot with this value if set to auto.
  
  
• Now, with different ProcODT values working with GearDownMode disabled and CR set to 2T, try to up increase the strap to higher values. Try upping it by one each time, saving to profile only if it boots to BIOS without issues (like it doesn't freeze in bios or mid-boot).
  
  
• pick the ProcODT value that allows highest strap, if more than one reaches the highest memory frequency, keep them, as one of them might be more stable with tight timings
  
  
• finally, start to decrease the timings. With 2T and GearDownMode disabled, choose only even values. From now on you shoudl boot to OS and test for stability extensively before considering the timing stable.

Finding the correct ProcODT is essential. vSOC is also important here, 1.05-1.1v should be enough for the speeds you're aiming to achieve.

 

[Eric1987]

I have no issue doing that but having to remove the CMOS battery is a pain in the ass with 2 video cards.

 

[krumme]

I have no issue doing that but having to remove the CMOS battery is a pain in the ass with 2 video cards.

I dont know how common you specific ram is but imo its not a matter of board but to get the right settings. With the new bios out most boards have all the settings.

Therefore Google for ryzen and the ram type and look deep eg in reddit post. Check its the same ram chip used you can also google this way.
I would go this way first then the manual way.
In your case I wouldnt bother with battery but just make warm boot then a cold boot to check.

If you go manual make sure for a starter soc is 1.1 ram 1.4v and then prooct 43ohm. Dont go over 3200 or even 3000. Go for low latency. Eg. 3000 c14. Eg use subtimings from ram chip used of other users.