AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[DrMrLordX]

If money were no object, 3200MHz CL14 Samsung B-die is the best memory for Ryzen.

If money were no object, I'd take the stuff binned for DDR4-4266 over anything else, and just downclock and tune timings. Might be able to get DDR4-3600 this time around and much higher on Pinnacle Ridge.

Aaaand here it is, in the Samsung E-die list

E-die doesn't clock as high as B-bie, but should be better than Hynix stuff at the very least. This is also dual rank memory, which doesn't clock as high as single rank.

I suppose there could be some tweaking to be made to stabilize XMP 3400MHz timings on 3000-3200MHz...

Dual-rank is harder, but in some circumstances it can perform better than single-rank RAM on Ryzen when compared at the same clockspeed.

With e-die you need different timings to get those clocks up there. Like instead of 16-18-18-38 you will be looking at maybe 14-20-20-52, plus you will want 1.40v vDIMM minimum to get that clockspeed to DDR4-3200. I would definitely look at some of the threads on the xs AMD forum about getting dual-rank Samsung b-die chips to play ball at higher memclocks. It will probably help with the e-die as well.

 

[Eric1987]

I dont know how common you specific ram is but imo its not a matter of board but to get the right settings. With the new bios out most boards have all the settings.

Therefore Google for ryzen and the ram type and look deep eg in reddit post. Check its the same ram chip used you can also google this way.
I would go this way first then the manual way.
In your case I wouldnt bother with battery but just make warm boot then a cold boot to check.

If you go manual make sure for a starter soc is 1.1 ram 1.4v and then prooct 43ohm. Dont go over 3200 or even 3000. Go for low latency. Eg. 3000 c14. Eg use subtimings from ram chip used of other users.

I've got it at 2933 with my timings from 3400. Should I try lower? soc is at 1.1 and RAM is at 1.35. Didn't mess with proc oct.

 

[IRobot23]

I have samsung E DIE

Try 1,4V for ddr4.

Problem is that dual rank is faster and 2933MHz is really good for dual ranks. If you get 3200MHz then you are really lucky.

 

[Eric1987]

My performance seemed to have jumped big time from the OC and RAM OC.

 

[WiseUp216]

Well... I couldn't help myself.

I really wanted to upgrade this weekend since I finally have some free time. Due to the Coffee Lake (lack of) availability, the Ryzen sale at Microcenter and the fact that I actually have to be near a Microcenter tonight... I now own a 1700X. $269 and $30 off the mobo.

I paired it with the Gigabyte AX370-Gaming 5, 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4-3000 CL15, MX300 525GB SSD and a Corsair 270R. Already have a GTX 1080 and other odds and ends.

Can't wait to build it tomorrow!

 

[Markfw]

Well... I couldn't help myself.

I really wanted to upgrade this weekend since I finally have some free time. Due to the Coffee Lake (lack of) availability, the Ryzen sale at Microcenter and the fact that I actually have to be near a Microcenter tonight... I now own a 1700X. $269 and $30 off the mobo.

I paired it with the Gigabyte AX370-Gaming 5, 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4-3000 CL15, MX300 525GB SSD and a Corsair 270R. Already have a GTX 1080 and other odds and ends.

Can't wait to built it tomorrow!

OK, a few late pieces of advice.. (in case you can exchange) 3200 CL14 samsung b-die memory (or higher) will make a difference over 3000 CL15, not sure the percentage. Also, is that SDD an NVME one ? I am hooked on the speed they have (boot windows in 7 seconds as one example)

 

[Eric1987]

Since my RAM can't get up to 3400 should I try like 15-17-17-36?

 

[WiseUp216]

I compared the b-die list I had to the local in-stock selection and didn't have any luck.

The only 2x8GB set in stock with better timings was DDR4-2400 (CL14). I thought it would be better to go 3000 CL15. Easy enough to swap out at a later date if I see a good set on sale.

The SSD was kind of an afterthought since I came in under-budget. I'll check the NVME stock and see what I can find.

Thanks for the info!

 

[PhonakV30]

anyone Experience with Bsod during Playing BF1 on Win10?

edit : ok looks like 3066 Cl 15 won't work with BF1.First 2933 CL15 resulted Bsod after 15 minute then i changed to 2933 Cl16 , It now works for 1 hour.

 

[IRobot23]

anyone Experience with Bsod during Playing BF1 on Win10?

edit : ok looks like 3066 Cl 15 won't work with BF1.First 2933 CL15 resulted Bsod after 15 minute then i changed to 2933 Cl16 , It now works for 1 hour.

BSOD is mostly related to gpu (red - but from latest drivers mostly just driver crash and back to stock settings) or cpu (blue) instability. Ram stability will make your game crash, disconnect etc.
Maybe VSOC is to low.

Questions : I have heard that A320 support memory OC? Did anyone try it (2933MHz-3200MHz)?
Asus Prime A320M-K
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-A320M-K/

Could be budget board for R5 1400/1600 and faster DDR4.

 

[tamz_msc]

anyone Experience with Bsod during Playing BF1 on Win10?

edit : ok looks like 3066 Cl 15 won't work with BF1.First 2933 CL15 resulted Bsod after 15 minute then i changed to 2933 Cl16 , It now works for 1 hour.

Try 3200 CL16, from what I've heard Ryzen doesn't like odd timings on the primary latencies.

 

[PhonakV30]

on 3200, It won't boot.So I went back to 3066 with CL16 ( Before 2933 CL16 ) but I increased Voltage to 1.39 from 1.35, now BF1 works without BSOD after 15~ 30 mintue.

 

[Indus]

Well... I couldn't help myself.

I really wanted to upgrade this weekend since I finally have some free time. Due to the Coffee Lake (lack of) availability, the Ryzen sale at Microcenter and the fact that I actually have to be near a Microcenter tonight... I now own a 1700X. $269 and $30 off the mobo.

I paired it with the Gigabyte AX370-Gaming 5, 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4-3000 CL15, MX300 525GB SSD and a Corsair 270R. Already have a GTX 1080 and other odds and ends.

Can't wait to build it tomorrow!

Let me know if that motherboard has LLC.

 

[WiseUp216]

Let me know if that motherboard has LLC.

There is the ability to set vCore LLC and VAXG LLC in the bios.

Overall, a pretty nice board. Haven't taken a deep dive into the CPU yet. Still tinkering with RAM first.

 

[IRobot23]

Did some testing over night, I was hoping for good stability. System has only 8GB of ddr4. AVG DDR4 load was 95%.

What I am trying to say is that CPU OC will effect your ram OC. I cannot get 4GHz with voltage under 1,5 vcore and with DDR4 3200/3466MHz no matter what I do. When I back off with RAM to 2933MHz it boots (well it boots with 3200, but not stable enough for Cinebech). And when I back off with CPU clock it boost 3600MT/s also.

Maybe you have just bad luck with RAM, CPU (IMC). I do have samsung E die, but 2x4GB dimms and its single rank.
Try to puts 3200MT/s and every DDR4 settings on auto and try to start. Try it with 1 stick.

update:
DDR4 3333MT/s (100.2 BCLK) with CL16 16 16 39 382(Trfc)

- 1.35V (Extreme) DDR4
- 1.425V for CPU @ 3,8GHz (was stable on 1.4V for 8 hours)
- LLC AUTO, CPU power AUTO
- VSOC 1,05V

 

[Hans Gruber]

Remember with each bios update for Ryzen, ram performance and bootability seems to have increased since introduction. I fully expect Ryzen to be able to run ram up to DDR4 4000mhz or whatever your ram is capable of in the not too distant future.

The timings that work for me with DDR4 3200mhz ram. 16-16-16-38 @ 1.37-1.38v My ram is rated at 1.35v but the extra voltage makes the ram sticks rock solid stable. You may want to turn the voltage up a bit on your ram to gain stability or increase your chances of getting your system to boot.

It seems no matter if it's a R3, R5 or R7 Ryzen CPU that the OCing ability is about the same across the platform. In the past CPU's with less cores could handle more voltage and OC better than those with more cores. Not the case with Ryzen. It seems the max on most Ryzen CPU's without excessive voltage is 3.9ghz. It's like there is a wall on these chips. But if you stay @ 3.9-3.8ghz the chips are extremely stable and solid.

For what it is. I am very happy with the Ryzen platform. I have not been able to say this about AMD for about a decade.

 

[IRobot23]

I have reach 3333MT/s stable.


I know lots of pictures, sorry.

What I did?
1. Default stock settings

2. XMP profile 3466MT/s
-16 18 18 18 38 (else auto)

3. DDR4 to 2666MT/s from XMP 3466MT/s
- These XMP CAS (16,18,18,18 to AUTO, 1T)
- Restart
- Why? To get "right" timings.

4. Well, MB did everything for my (Thanks ASUS)
CPU OC
- 100,2BCLK (since I hated on auto or 100 - every time ran at 99,8)
- 3,8GHz
- manual VSOC (1,05V) and manual VCORE (1,4125V) - LLC auto.
RAM OC
- C6H did auto settings to 16 16 16 16 39 62 (I have rewrote everything)
- Boot VDRAM to 1,35V,
- DRAM freq. to 3200MHz (1,35V)
- DID run to 11000% HCI as you can see I posted it earlier (above).


5. RAM OC to 3333MT/s
- VDRAM to 1,375V
- 3333MHz, VSOC (same)
- TEST: I found out that 16 x 430 instead of 8x 850 do more load on SOC.

I think that was easiest "RAM OC" in my life

.. now? trying for 3446MT/s greed

If anyone wants more BIOS settings then I can post it (sorry for so many images).

PS: I could run less V on core, but it seems it like more Vcore, if you OC RAM also.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I have reach 3333MT/s stable.


I know lots of pictures, sorry.

What I did?
1. Default stock settings

2. XMP profile 3466MT/s
-16 18 18 18 38 (else auto)

3. DDR4 to 2666MT/s from XMP 3466MT/s
- These XMP CAS (16,18,18,18 to AUTO, 1T)
- Restart
- Why? To get "right" timings.

4. Well, MB did everything for my (Thanks ASUS)
CPU OC
- 100,2BCLK (since I hated on auto or 100 - every time ran at 99,8)
- 3,8GHz
- manual VSOC (1,05V) and manual VCORE (1,4125V) - LLC auto.
RAM OC
- C6H did auto settings to 16 16 16 16 39 62 (I have rewrote everything)
- Boot VDRAM to 1,35V,
- DRAM freq. to 3200MHz (1,35V)
- DID run to 11000% HCI as you can see I posted it earlier (above).


5. RAM OC to 3333MT/s
- VDRAM to 1,375V
- 3333MHz, VSOC (same)
- TEST: I found out that 16 x 430 instead of 8x 850 do more load on SOC.

I think that was easiest "RAM OC" in my life

.. now? trying for 3446MT/s greed

If anyone wants more BIOS settings then I can post it (sorry for so many images).



PS: I could run less V on core, but it seems it like more Vcore, if you OC RAM also.

What is the stock speed on your sticks. Eg. DDR4 3200mhz 16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v

 

[IRobot23]

What is the stock speed on your sticks. Eg. DDR4 3200mhz 16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v

Nope.
DDR4 3466MT/s 16 18 18 38
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3466c16d-8gvk

Quick question?
ProcODT ? what do you suggest?
Auto or manual?

 

[Hans Gruber]

Nope.
DDR4 3466MT/s 16 18 18 38
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3466c16d-8gvk

Quick question?
ProcODT ? what do you suggest?
Auto or manual?

Auto until you have a good handle on ProcODT. Then the experts say you should set it manually.

 

[IRobot23]

- 1.1125VSOC (HWINFO report 1.09 or 1.1V)
- Vcore ( did P State now), well LLC is auto when load it drops ~1.35Vcore (asus) ryzen chip shows little less, but otherwise its basically same as it was before ~1.425V (max).
- DRAM did push 1.425V
Everything else is basically same.

Funny thing about Memtest-HCI:
I did run this without changes first error after 500% HCI, second run after 200%

Did run HCI to 800% , passed, IBT 35min (max) passed, prime95 25min blend + cpu stress, did play few games... stable for now, hopefully.

Gaming:
I do not recommend you only 8GB DDR4 for gaming, get 16GB (its better). But if you are on budget you can actually grab R5 1600 instead of getting R3 1200 (since ddr4 prices are really high). Memory its easy to upgrade later.

I do get memory leak (CPU pikes), sometimes even so called "slow-downs", these are rare.

 

[krumme]

- 1.1125VSOC (HWINFO report 1.09 or 1.1V)
- Vcore ( did P State now), well LLC is auto when load it drops ~1.35Vcore (asus) ryzen chip shows little less, but otherwise its basically same as it was before ~1.425V (max).
- DRAM did push 1.425V
Everything else is basically same.

Funny thing about Memtest-HCI:
I did run this without changes first error after 500% HCI, second run after 200%

Did run HCI to 800% , passed, IBT 35min (max) passed, prime95 25min blend + cpu stress, did play few games... stable for now, hopefully.

Gaming:
I do not recommend you only 8GB DDR4 for gaming, get 16GB (its better). But if you are on budget you can actually grab R5 1600 instead of getting R3 1200 (since ddr4 prices are really high). Memory its easy to upgrade later.

I do get memory leak (CPU pikes), sometimes even so called "slow-downs", these are rare.

Nice ram latency ! Well done
What do you mean by memory leak and slow downs? Can you give examples?

 

[IRobot23]

Nice ram latency ! Well done
What do you mean by memory leak and slow downs? Can you give examples?

for like 5-10 sec, cpu drops to for 50% performance, piking all over the place, no matter what you do (even looking in the sky). When memory leaks are gone, game runs just fine. (mybe because I play everything at ultra).

 

[krumme]

for like 5-10 sec, cpu drops to for 50% performance, piking all over the place, no matter what you do (even looking in the sky). When memory leaks are gone, game runs just fine. (mybe because I play everything at ultra).

I have some similar comming to a near halt problem in bf1 for aprox 10 sec every second hour or so. Though happens with all ram settings even 2133. Medium low whatever.
Will go check what happens with cpu load and go check on what memory leak is. I run 16g

Edit. Might be windows creator update or something.

 

[IRobot23]

Had to raise VSOC, do you think it is safe around 1.13V?
Cold boot didn't boot at OCed settings.