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DooKey

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Markfw, I believe you are correct. I have 2 RX480s in CF in my simple B350 Asus Prime plus but I would not suggest OCing.

Funny reality is that right now the high end Ryzen, 1800x, has very little OCing room, even on a high end board.

Obviously X370 is the only chipset to support SLI.


Why not give it a shot and see what you can get out of it? Maybe you could do 4.1 without going to hog wild on the voltage.
 

IEC

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Another Heads up folks, seems there have been a rash of ASUS Crosshair VI Hero boards getting bricked by a random and mysterious automatic BIOS update.

Here is a few people from Reddit that had their boards die: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5xn51g/my_asus_crosshair_vi_hero_got_bricked/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5xmg5p/asus_c6h_wont_do_anything/


Also, JaysTwoCents had one of his do the same.

Edit: Looking into this, it's really bad... Lots of peoples boards are bricking everywhere, reflashing doesn't work and it looks like ASUS is doing a recall!

That's... genius. Is there any way to disable automatic BIOS updates? I hate automatic anything. I'd hate to get my motherboard Tuesday and then wake up to a bricked system on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, custom dual-pump water cooling loop almost complete...
 

moonbogg

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Big warning if you guys didn't know: Some boards are getting bricked during the bios update process. Jayz2cents bricked his Crosshair VI Hero doing a BIOS update. Makes me glad mine won't ship for a while.
California Tustin microcenter has two of those expensive, top shelf MSI boards in stock (probably already gone). $300 is too much for me to spend on a board for this build. Value is diminished due to poor OC headroom, otherwise I'd have less of an issue with it. Feeling conflicted about spending $500 on the 1800X, but I have a feeling that once the temp monitoring bugs are worked out and people start settling in with their builds, I think we'll see more 1800X's hitting 4.0-4.1 than 1700's or even 1700X's. I am considering going back to microcenter and buying protection on the 1800X since these things require 1.4v or higher to hit 4.0ghz. Makes me concerned about the life of the chip. $500 is a lot to spend on a chip that might die early due to voltage.
I'll wait for the Crosshair board to ship and watch other people's experiences until then. In short, I am feeling some remorse for spending high end CPU money on an 1800X, yet at the same time conflicted enough to not exchange it for a 1700. First world problems of the first degree I suppose.
 

Valantar

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I did a little research, and forgive me if its already answered in this thread, but the X370 motherboards appear to be far better for overclockers or those with more than one video card is what I read.

Correct ?
Yep. B350 doesn't support SLI, and only kinda-sorta supports CF (AFAIK splitting the 16x GPU lane into 2 8x is presented as an X370 feature, and B350 boards run CF through an x4 slot through the chipset). And as X370 boards are higher end, they get better VRM setups almost by default. Which makes it all the more baffling why there are no X370 mATX boards around. Seriously. It simply isn't possible that there are any actual design limitations making this impossible - X99 is far more complex than AM4, and we have plenty of mATX X99 boards (heck, even an ITX ...).
 

Doom2pro

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Big warning if you guys didn't know: Some boards are getting bricked during the bios update process. Jayz2cents bricked his Crosshair VI Hero doing a BIOS update. Makes me glad mine won't ship for a while.
California Tustin microcenter has two of those expensive, top shelf MSI boards in stock (probably already gone). $300 is too much for me to spend on a board for this build. Value is diminished due to poor OC headroom, otherwise I'd have less of an issue with it. Feeling conflicted about spending $500 on the 1800X, but I have a feeling that once the temp monitoring bugs are worked out and people start settling in with their builds, I think we'll see more 1800X's hitting 4.0-4.1 than 1700's or even 1700X's. I am considering going back to microcenter and buying protection on the 1800X since these things require 1.4v or higher to hit 4.0ghz. Makes me concerned about the life of the chip. $500 is a lot to spend on a chip that might die early due to voltage.
I'll wait for the Crosshair board to ship and watch other people's experiences until then. In short, I am feeling some remorse for spending high end CPU money on an 1800X, yet at the same time conflicted enough to not exchange it for a 1700. First world problems of the first degree I suppose.

Yeah I just posted several links from Reddit, happening everywhere and rumors abound of ASUS doing a recall! Also, it isn't a user initiated BIOS update, seems to happen by itself sometimes during overclock, and locks up bricking the board, also attempts to reflash with emergency procedures fail.


I was so close to getting one of these, relieved I got an MSI X370 XGAMING TITANIUM.
 

SketchMaster

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Oof... Guess it's a good thing I wasn't able to get that C6h from Fry's.

I feel bad for those engineers at Asus. They've likely been running on caffeine and adrenaline trying to pump out updates to make AMD and customers happy; something was bound to give.

Won't be surprised if we get another spree of bricked boards from another manufacturer, everyone is feeling the stress and they are likely not used to aggressive releases like this, something will get missed in testing.
 

Markfw

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Thanks guys, thats what I thought, just a little local confirmation.
 

Mockingbird

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Yeah I just posted several links from Reddit, happening everywhere and rumors abound of ASUS doing a recall! Also, it isn't a user initiated BIOS update, seems to happen by itself sometimes during overclock, and locks up bricking the board, also attempts to reflash with emergency procedures fail.

Looks like in a few months, the market will be inundated with stockpiles of refurbished Asus Crosshair VI Hero.
 

guskline

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Dookey, I'm content to keep the Asus Prime B350 Plus stock since I already have a R7-1800x in it. I'm on back order like everyone else for the Asus C6H mb. I sure hope they get the bios fixed.
 
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imported_jjj

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I heard that from somewhere else too. Why is this true?

“When running 2667 or higher for stability we run in memory in Geardown mode so CS is driven for 2 memclks, and UMC and PHY need to be in sync regarding even clocks for cmd/add bus setup/hold time, other parameters that have to be even include Tcwl, Twr, etc. So, when in geardown mode, CAS latency has to be even number as a logical requirement.”
Source http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-and-1700-processor-review_191753/4
 
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Valantar

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Aaaaand I just placed my order for a 1700X and an MSI B350M Mortar. Found out the board is expected to come back in stock on the 10th. That, four fan headers and more internal USB made the difference. I can live without USB 3.1G2.

I'll be counting down the seconds until ... next tuesday? Hopefully the board will be here by then.
 

krumme

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“When running 2667 or higher for stability we run in memory in Geardown mode so CS is driven for 2 memclks, and UMC and PHY need to be in sync regarding even clocks for cmd/add bus setup/hold time, other parameters that have to be even include Tcwl, Twr, etc. So, when in geardown mode, CAS latency has to be even number as a logical requirement.”
Source http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-and-1700-processor-review_191753/4
I need it explained. As i probably run the same ram and have messed a lot with it. They ended at 2933c14 but what for the rest of the ram sertings?
 

Frank C Becker

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Thinking of building a micro ATX AM4 based system as an update for my old Athlon based Media PC I use to watch and capture over the air (OTA) TV, watch streamed TV (Netflix, Amazon and PlayStation Vue) and play Blu Ray Disks. Saw that the 7th Gen A12 GPU's will work in an AM4 system. Is the A12-9800 GPU commercially available in the DIY builder market, soon to be available or will I need to buy a Ryzen 1700 CPU. A little concerned about the Ryzen as I use Win 7 with Windows Media Center which does not work with Win 10. From what I have read Win 7 is not being supported for Ryzen...no drivers from AMD.
 

JimmiG

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That's... genius. Is there any way to disable automatic BIOS updates? I hate automatic anything. I'd hate to get my motherboard Tuesday and then wake up to a bricked system on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, custom dual-pump water cooling loop almost complete...

Automatic BIOS updates? What a brilliant idea! What could possibly go wrong?
I guess not installing any of the Asus utilities, and also unplugging the Ethernet cable when in BIOS setup would secure against this "feature".
 

Kingbee13

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Thinking of building a micro ATX AM4 based system as an update for my old Athlon based Media PC I use to watch and capture over the air (OTA) TV, watch streamed TV (Netflix, Amazon and PlayStation Vue) and play Blu Ray Disks. Saw that the 7th Gen A12 GPU's will work in an AM4 system. Is the A12-9800 GPU commercially available in the DIY builder market, soon to be available or will I need to buy a Ryzen 1700 CPU. A little concerned about the Ryzen as I use Win 7 with Windows Media Center which does not work with Win 10. From what I have read Win 7 is not being supported for Ryzen...no drivers from AMD.
You can install a community maintained media center on Windows 10 not supported by MS but it works well I have it on my HTPC

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
 

Mockingbird

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Thinking of building a micro ATX AM4 based system as an update for my old Athlon based Media PC I use to watch and capture over the air (OTA) TV, watch streamed TV (Netflix, Amazon and PlayStation Vue) and play Blu Ray Disks. Saw that the 7th Gen A12 GPU's will work in an AM4 system. Is the A12-9800 GPU commercially available in the DIY builder market, soon to be available or will I need to buy a Ryzen 1700 CPU. A little concerned about the Ryzen as I use Win 7 with Windows Media Center which does not work with Win 10. From what I have read Win 7 is not being supported for Ryzen...no drivers from AMD.

You can unofficially install Windows Media Center on Windows 10.

Search for it.
 

Frank C Becker

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You can install a community maintained media center on Windows 10 not supported by MS but it works well I have it on my HTPC

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Would you please share where the community based WMC software is described and available for download...again concerned as I hear Microsoft will be soon doing another Win 10 version update and those really can F***k up some of the community supported/developed software or actually remove non approved software. Any idea where A12 GPU's can be obtained?
 

moonbogg

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Finally found a board! Tomahawk is in a shop 2 hours away and i'll be hitting the road tomorrow or Tue.

I don't want to discourage you, but I feel inclined to inform you that some users on reddit compared this Tomahawk to the Intel version of the board and noticed the VRM heat sinks appear to be the same ones, and the ones on the intel version overheated during OC because the heat sinks are solid blocks of aluminum and don't have enough fins to dissipate the heat adequately. I don't know if that's actually true, but I'd hate for you to get excited and run into a nasty surprise. Might want to google the crap out of that one before taking the plunge.
 

Malogeek

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Picked up a 1700, Prime X370-Pro and Corsair LPX today. Still have to get my MP500 m2 yet though.

Are you 1700 owners using the stock cooler replacing the thermal paste? I've always replaced it on my Intels but not idea if the paste on the Wraith cooler is any good.
 
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Mockingbird

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I am so excited. My $10 Cooler Master Hyper T4 cooler has arrived.

Now, I just need a processor, a motherboard, and some memory.
 
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Mockingbird

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I am not satisfy with Ryzen's performance in games, but will pre-order anyway since I still have a lot of nostalgia for the Green TEAM.

I still have a couple of weeks to cancel my pre-order.
 

imported_jjj

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I need it explained. As i probably run the same ram and have messed a lot with it. They ended at 2933c14 but what for the rest of the ram sertings?

For now nobody has access to full DRAM settings so not much can be done.
There is a 2400 trick that folks use , check the AMD section at XS,not sure if it's Gigabyte only or works on other boards too.

I don't have a Ryzen yet and wasn't planning to get one for a few more months but i am starting to be annoyed that i am missing out.
It's kinda fun right now and would really have liked to test gaming in Win 7 and see if i can confirm The Stilt's result where he gets a boost from SMT in gaming.
 
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