AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[Topweasel]

The second quote clearly points the finger at AMD. Of course, that's what you would expect someone from the board manufacturers to say as well. Though, for some reason I trust that anonymous person far more than AMD's obvious PR speak. That wasn't really the point though, just a tangent. I don't really care who is to blame. The point can be summarized in the following quote,

"...the first batch of boards was very small and shipped by air. They also noticed that the normal bulk shipments are done in shipping containers that come into North America by sea from Asia and that takes weeks and they should start arriving at any time."

It's not about trusting one source over another am absolutely sure that the Mobo guy believes 100% in what he is saying but it's hard to feel sorry for him. Part of his excuse is "hey we didn't even try to make anything before January because we were working on Intel boards". Anyone building a machine right now is conscientiously choosing to build an AMD machine. Telling them that they can't find a board right now because well they needed to make sure they had enough Intel based boards is a real slap in the face. Also the way it's stated it isn't "hey AMD didn't get anything to us until weeks ago" which I never believed. It's that even though this was already a delayed product, they didn't give it a lot of resources because they thought it was what sounds like a June release. When AMD decided to launch early they were ramping down for the holiday and didn't get enough time after that. Basically Ryzen never entered their thought process as important launch and didn't put any resources on it till they were under the gun.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Yeah thats funny cause I have yet to see any stock every 3 days or more.Only time I have seen them come back into stock is when people cancel there orders/preorders.I just cant believe the motherboard manufacturers only released 10-20 or so of each board to 5 retailers. You mean to tell me they could only make 100 total motherboards within a two month time frame? I dont buy it...!! There has got to be something going on here.A recall or a production problem or a shortage of parts.My guess is the manufacturers ordered a silent freeze on the sales of all Mobo products to refine Bios Issue's.That is why retailers were allow to sell what stock they did have in short supply, in case of a mass return or RMA wave hit them. if its only a few mobo returns they can easily deal with that problem but not 50-100k mobo's at a time. Thats my 2 cents any way.

 

[Valantar]

Yeah thats funny cause I have yet to see any stock every 3 days or more.Only time I have seen them come back into stock is when people cancel there orders/preorders.I just cant believe the motherboard manufacturers only released 10-20 or so of each board to 5 retailers. You mean to tell me they could only make 100 total motherboards within a two month time frame? I dont buy it...!! There has got to be something going on here.A recall or a production problem or a shortage of parts.My guess is the manufacturers ordered a silent freeze on the sales of all Mobo products to refine Bios Issue's.That is why retailers were allow to sell what stock they did have in short supply, in case of a mass return or RMA wave hit them. if its only a few mobo returns they can easily deal with that problem but not 50-100k mobo's at a time. Thats my 2 cents any way.

If the stock is just to keep up with the order backlog, there won't be any actually up for sale until they catch up. Anything else would be grossly negligent on part of the store - putting items up for sale without first fulfilling outstanding orders. And given that this is the situation globally, with anything from a handful to dozens of retailers in most regions/countries, that's a lot of boards to keep up with just a few orders per store.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

If thats was the case then why when some one canceled there preorder yesterday on newegg did the item show up as instock instead of going to fill one of the other preorders or one of the back orders for that board? Specially when it was a well sought after motherboard.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Probably just a flaw in newegg's website.

 

[Malogeek]

I really really want the AsRock X370 Taichi, but my patience is not unlimited.

Do you think I should get the ASUS Prime X370-Pro right now?

As an owner of the Prime X370-Pro, I'd not recommend it right now. Stability on restarts is all over the place. Memory support is terrible unless you have very specific memory. There's supposedly a new BIOS that some reviewers are using which has excellent memory support at much higher speeds but until then don't bother trying to use your XMP profile (via DOCP) or overclocking your memory at all. It will run at JEDEC only for a lot of it.

I'm sure this board will be fine eventually after some updates but if you're after an X370 board, looks like the ASRock or Gigabytes is the way to go. I've even been considering returning my X370-Pro for a Gigabyte B350.

 

[IEC]

Just an FYI for those with Asus Crosshair VI Hero motherboards. Elmor (world class OCer) worked with ASUS to develop a fixed BIOS that supposedly ends the "bricking" issue and adds some memory compatibility/stability.

I will be updating to this BIOS and provided all is stable, install my custom loop today or tomorrow.

Some stuff I found helpful below.

C6H 0902 bios:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread/820#post_25910910

EK blocks + Ryzen install tips:
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/745205-watercooling-ryzen-x370/

 

[piesquared]

I think this is why AMD initiated the preorder. Motherboard makers (and MS) are beholden to intel, they get what they want/pay for. Releasing Ryzen processors in high volume forces the supply chain to produce what consumers demand. Otherwise they could continue to trickle out components like they are doing at a snails pace. Now with consumer pressure they have to supply adequate volume although later than ideal. I don't buy motherboard manufactures excuse.
AMD said in their last Q earnings call that the increase in inventory was due to them catching wind of a shortage of a particular component. Many assumed that was HBM2 but was it or was this how intel claimed to be able to "manage" Ryzen. I simply don't trust intel to not have a hand in this.

 

[Valantar]

If thats was the case then why when some one canceled there preorder yesterday on newegg did the item show up as instock instead of going to fill one of the other preorders or one of the back orders for that board? Specially when it was a well sought after motherboard.

Slowness in the system? A bug? A moment when stock caught up with orders? A cancelled preorder is almost definitely not handled in the same way by their stockkeeping system as new stock coming in, and even if their system removes out-of-stock orders from shopping carts, I bet quite a few get through when there's high demand and a lot of simultaneous orders.

I think this is why AMD initiated the preorder. Motherboard makers (and MS) are beholden to intel, they get what they want/pay for. Releasing Ryzen processors in high volume forces the supply chain to produce what consumers demand. Otherwise they could continue to trickle out components like they are doing at a snails pace. Now with consumer pressure they have to supply adequate volume although later than ideal. I don't buy motherboard manufactures excuse.
AMD said in their last Q earnings call that the increase in inventory was due to them catching wind of a shortage of a particular component. Many assumed that was HBM2 but was it or was this how intel claimed to be able to "manage" Ryzen. I simply don't trust intel to not have a hand in this.

Please chill with the conspiracy mongering. Are motherboard makers tightly bound to Intel? Sure, but they don't owe them sh*t - Intel might want them to, but motherboard makers can then very easily shield themselves by pointing out antitrust laws and the like. Does Intel have the clout to push manufacturers to make huge amounts of products? Sure. But they have no interest in overproduction, nor do they want to piss off motherboard makers when there's competition arising. The situation is bound to be far more complex than what you're saying.

Also, what single motherboard component would AMD hoard in sufficient numbers for it to make even a tiny dent in an earnings report inventory? Did they buy capacitors for a few hundred million dollars? Resistors? PCIe slots? AMD doesn't buy motherboard parts. That should give you enough of an answer to that question. A HBM2 (or other memory, or NAND) shortage is on the other hand highly likely, as there is an industry-wide shortage of those. Also, those are high-cost parts used in high quantities, and would definitely make themselves known in an inventory report.

 

[alexruiz]

Hey guys.
If upgrading the motherboard firmware (BIOS) built-in option is best, then DOS, windows last
Built-in > DOS > windows

 

[Markfw]

I vote for Taichi with the ram Markfw selected - cant remember. Then you should get 3200 with the settings showed in earlier link.

In just 2 weeks we are hopefully much more informed.

Here is the ram I got. $170 isn't cheap for 16 gig, but I wanted to get the max performance out of this box to play with.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205

 

[Valantar]

This whole motherboard situation is kind of funny. First my desktop died, so I kinda-sorta rushed to order a Ryzen upgrade (was planned anyway, just not immediately - was hoping for ITX boards to launch). Parts start arriving, and I finally make a desicion on a 1700X and an mATX motherboard, as I'm getting tired of using my 2010 ThinkPad for everything. Then launch day comes, and motherboards are nowhere to be found. No matter, I think, and order a board with an unconfirmed delivery date today. Then I go about troubleshooting my desktop, and get it running again. Yesterday, the motherboard delivery date was pushed back a week. Now, with a 1700X and RAM in hand, and just a few parts missing for my custom water loop to be ready, I'm sitting here thinking I might hold off on buying a motherboard until ITX boards arrive. This is a werid situation, for sure.

On the other hand, I'm racking up quite the list of unused premium PC parts. Perhaps I should open up a store?

 

[Markfw]

Good article about the lack of boards,

AMD's response is sort of depressing. They have really become untrustworthy over the last few years, and anything they say that isn't based on hard numbers should be taken with truckloads of salt. Further proof that corporations are not your friend.










Read more at http://www.legitreviews.com/one-mot...boards-are-missing_192470#zpBkTUmFyxUOCSWu.99

All the talk of Chinese new year. We have people even working Christmas here in gas stations and 7-11's. New year is ONE day here. Thats the motherboard makers fault. And demand ? we on the forums knew it would be substantial, why are they so clueless ? We have no insiders in AMD like they do.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Here is the ram I got. $170 isn't cheap for 16 gig, but I wanted to get the max performance out of this box to play with.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205

That's good stuff!! I want the RGB version of this but they are out right now. I have Crucial Ballistix DDR4 2400 16gb right now on hand till the new stuff come in again.

 

[piesquared]

[snip]

....Please chill with the conspiracy mongering.....

Famous last words...

At any rate, hopefully have mine up and running. Shop have 4 motherboards delivered tomorrow for stock and i managed to reserve one.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

Here is the ram I got. $170 isn't cheap for 16 gig, but I wanted to get the max performance out of this box to play with.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205

That's the exact same model I'm running my Taichi, seems to work well.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

This whole motherboard situation is kind of funny. First my desktop died, so I kinda-sorta rushed to order a Ryzen upgrade (was planned anyway, just not immediately - was hoping for ITX boards to launch). Parts start arriving, and I finally make a desicion on a 1700X and an mATX motherboard, as I'm getting tired of using my 2010 ThinkPad for everything. Then launch day comes, and motherboards are nowhere to be found. No matter, I think, and order a board with an unconfirmed delivery date today. Then I go about troubleshooting my desktop, and get it running again. Yesterday, the motherboard delivery date was pushed back a week. Now, with a 1700X and RAM in hand, and just a few parts missing for my custom water loop to be ready, I'm sitting here thinking I might hold off on buying a motherboard until ITX boards arrive. This is a werid situation, for sure.

On the other hand, I'm racking up quite the list of unused premium PC parts. Perhaps I should open up a store?

LOL we all know the feeling and all most all of us are in the same boat as you. I got my r7 1800x ,Phanteks pc14pe twin tower heatsink ,16gb Ram,MSI Rx480 8GB Gpu And the rest all waiting to go if motherboards were to ever come back in stock.Stuck using my Skylake i3 6300 for now.not that its a bad cpu by any means I just want to build my new beast rig.

 

[IEC]

That's the exact same model I'm running my Taichi, seems to work well.

Excellent choice, guaranteed Samsung B-die (best for Ryzen so far).

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Here is the ram I got. $170 isn't cheap for 16 gig, but I wanted to get the max performance out of this box to play with

I thought about selling my Ripjaws4 and buying G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600.

Ehh... I think I will wait a few years though.

 

[DisEnchantment]

And I got the BIOS to update through the ASUS EZ Utility. I tell you it is a real pain.
Now I am on the BIOS 0503 for B350 Prime Plus.

I find the ASUS Application terrible, even when doing nothing it consumes 100% usage of one core, somebody just write a while(1) loop I suppose.
When I try to change anything from the UI, it freezes, but after rebooting I can see that the settings in the BIOS were changed. I think there are issues how the Application interfaces to the Board, no wonder the BIOS update took me 6 hours. My last BIOS update took 2 minutes.

However I got the Trident Z 3200 CL15 to work reliably with 2966 MHz.

How can I link pictures, I want to show if the voltages are OK. CPUZ is telling I have 1.425 on the core which is high I think.
I don't want any OC, I just want the RAM to run close to 3000 MHz.

I am going to run some benches to see if the System is stable

Thanks to the members for the support few pages ago.

 

[Valantar]

All the talk of Chinese new year. We have people even working Christmas here in gas stations and 7-11's. New year is ONE day here. Thats the motherboard makers fault. And demand ? we on the forums knew it would be substantial, why are they so clueless ? We have no insiders in AMD like they do.

Are you seriously arguing that Chinese factory workers get too much time off? I'd say Chinese labor laws are bad enough as they are. This is probably the only holiday these people ever get, and they work 12+ hour shifts 6 or 7 days a week. For sh*t pay. And sure, in most countries people work in service jobs, convenience stores and the like on holidays. But not factories ...

How can I link pictures, I want to show if the voltages are OK.

I use Imgur. Works fine, you can direct link pics either to embed in posts or just link to them. Easy to use too.

 

[Zoffster1]

Just an FYI for those with Asus Crosshair VI Hero motherboards. Elmor (world class OCer) worked with ASUS to develop a fixed BIOS that supposedly ends the "bricking" issue and adds some memory compatibility/stability.

I will be updating to this BIOS and provided all is stable, install my custom loop today or tomorrow.

Some stuff I found helpful below.

C6H 0902 bios:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread/820#post_25910910

EK blocks + Ryzen install tips:
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/745205-watercooling-ryzen-x370/

You beat me to it!

For those updating to that one Elmor also confirmed to me that the 16GB double sided version of the 3200 CL14 G.Skill Trident-Z should also work at 3200MHz now.

 

[Valantar]

LOL we all know the feeling and all most all of us are in the same boat as you. I got my r7 1800x ,Phanteks pc14pe twin tower heatsink ,16gb Ram,MSI Rx480 8GB Gpu And the rest all waiting to go if motherboards were to ever come back in stock.Stuck using my Skylake i3 6300 for now.not that its a bad cpu by any means I just want to build my new beast rig.

Yeah. At least I can have some fun pushing my current rig to its limits, knowing it doesn't matter much if it dies. It's already risen (oh, wow, mispronounced pun truly not intended) from the dead once, so it dying for good won't bum me out too much. I'll just strip it for parts.

Today's arrivals, btw:
Alphacool Eisplateau anti-static workmat (mainly to avoid scratching up my dining room table when building. Also, no more periodically touching a plugged-in PSU while building)
Alphacool Y-joint for water tubing
6x Alphacool 45-degree angle fittings
Alphacool 2-way ball valve

Still missing:
-Tubing
-A couple of 90 degree bends
(all above are ordered at my local computer store, but apparently EKWB is giving them the run-around...)
-CPU waterblock (EK-Supremacy MX AMD (yep, I'm cheaping out on the waterblock. Gets excellent reviews, though).
-240mm EK-Coolstream PE
-Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut (as that seems to be the TIM of choice now, rather than the trusty old Gelid GC-Extreme)
(all above are in the mail, although I'm not as excited to get them any more due to still not having a->)
-motherboard.

 

[Markfw]

Are you seriously arguing that Chinese factory workers get too much time off? I'd say Chinese labor laws are bad enough as they are. This is probably the only holiday these people ever get, and they work 12+ hour shifts 6 or 7 days a week. For sh*t pay. And sure, in most countries people work in service jobs, convenience stores and the like on holidays. But not factories ...


I use Imgur. Works fine, you can direct link pics either to embed in posts or just link to them. Easy to use too.

Don't put words in my mouth please.

What I am saying is the SOMEHOW the factory should figure out how to keep working, even at a reduced rate. Lets say they have 6 hours shift that day, or even 4. There are many ways to stay running, and what I am saying is that virtually everything in this world is working all the time (like Police and the military) Its just the amount of work that gets done is much smaller on holidays. They made it sound like the factory shut down for 2 weeks.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Here is the ram I got. $170 isn't cheap for 16 gig, but I wanted to get the max performance out of this box to play with.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205

That's good stuff. I'm pretty sure that's Samsung B-die, or it might be D-die but I'm pretty sure it isn't. D usually doesn't bin that well.

Don't put words in my mouth please.

What I am saying is the SOMEHOW the factory should figure out how to keep working, even at a reduced rate. Lets say they have 6 hours shift that day, or even 4. There are many ways to stay running, and what I am saying is that virtually everything in this world is working all the time (like Police and the military) Its just the amount of work that gets done is much smaller on holidays. They made it sound like the factory shut down for 2 weeks.

Manufacturing is difficult; that being said, everyone knew this launch was coming up, so they had (or should have had) the opportunity to produce product in advance so that they could handle off time for the New Year without skipping a beat.

Overall, PC demand is down, so the capacity should be there for high-margin enthusiast PC parts. That any or all of the mobo OEMs dropped the ball on the AM4/Ryzen launch is really a shame, and a lost opportunity for the industry as a whole.

I am glad to hear that C6H UEFI work is apace, and I sincerely wish all C6H owners well in updating their boards and running them without "bricking" issues. In the long run, I think we'll find that the C6H is superior hardware, which is why I pre-ordered one to begin with. I just can't tolerate what Amazon did, and I had to take a shot at the Taichi just in case the "bricking" issues didn't end anytime soon (and other reasons, but that was a major one).