AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[Timur Born]

I bought a Arctic Liquid Freezer 240. It's retention ring doesn't fit on the AM4 backplate provided with the CH6. Arctic doesn't offer AM4 retention rings before around April. Fortunately they will now just send me a AM3 backplate until the AM4 retention rings are ready.

Omitting backplates seems to be common business nowadays, is it not? You buy a box full of stull, then you need to contact the company to get missing stuff that makes it work.

 

[krumme]

New blog post https://community.amd.com/community...4/tips-for-building-a-better-amd-ryzen-system

"as part of AMDs ongoing development of the new AM4 platform, AMD will increase support for overclocked memory configurations with higher memory multipliers. We intend to issue updates to motherboard partners in May that will enable them, on whatever products they choose, to support speeds higher than the current DDR4-3200 limit without refclk adjustments."

Thank you AMD. Thats what you should do day one.
Tell people what to do, and when to expect improvements.
Thats a long wait until may, but good to hear there is a plan.

 

[guachi]

So, how are people liking the realtek audio on most of the boards? For some reason my audio, set at 100% volume, is basically what I'd consider "normal volume". If I have any background noise in the room, I can't turn it up any louder to drown it out. If I am watching a youtube video that was mastered at a lower volume, I can't hear anything. It's the same whether I use the front panel audio connections or the ones on the back.

I'm using Sennheiser GSP 300 headphones, which are 19 ohm, my understanding is they shouldn't require an amplifier.

Anyone else having this issue? I've downloaded the latest drivers from asrock and no change.

I was about to ask what kind of headphones you are using but you mentioned that. I have 300 ohm Sennheiser headphones that I'm using with my MSI gaming AM3+ board and they are merely tolerable at maximum volume. Nineteen ohm headphones should be extremely loud.

Is there a gain setting anywhere in the software control panel? I believe some of the higher priced add-in sound cards include the ability to adjust gain.

 

[Valantar]

Omitting backplates seems to be common business nowadays, is it not? You buy a box full of stull, then you need to contact the company to get missing stuff that makes it work.

Not surprising for new sockets with new mounting patterns. After all, they might not have known the new pattern until a few months from now, and turn-around from that through designing a new backplate, making sure it works (with no sample boards? That's a huge risk! Otherwise, wait for sample boards), tooling, getting production up to speed, bundling with the latest production run, shipping overseas (which takes a good 2-3 weeks), and then finally replacing already existing stock lacking said bracket at retailers? That's easily a several-month process. Faster if you're a big company with plenty of resources, and faster again if you have good enough shipping deals to afford air freight, but it still takes time.

 

[Kenmitch]

Any ideas besides waiting for an AM4 mount kit to come back in stock?

It looks like threaded inserts. Do they look removable? If so see if you can find some longer ones. 6/32 is 6-32 in screw terms?

 

[Malogeek]

https://community.amd.com/community...4/tips-for-building-a-better-amd-ryzen-system

We have internally observed good results from 2933, 3200, and 3500 MT/s rates with 16GB kits based on Samsung “B-die” memory chips. Potential kits include:

• Geil EVO X - GEX416GB3200C16DC [16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v]
• G.Skill Trident Z - F4-3200C16D-16GTZR [16-18-18-36 @ 1.35v]
• Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 VERSION 5.39 [16-18-18-36 @ 1.35v]

How am I supposed to know what "version" the memory is? That's not something shown on specifications.

edit: nevermind, it's on the back of the dimms.

 

[R3ckless]

Hi all, I am still annoyed that my memory doesn't appear to want to run at anything higher then 2100 speed with the following setup. I would love some pointers if anyone has had luck with a similar setup. It also appears that even xfr isnt working with this version of the bios i am using. It seems to stay at 3.7 max.

Ryzen 1800x stock speed
Corsair vengence led ddr 4 3000 mhz speed 2x8 16gb CMU16GX4M2C3000
Evo 960 m.2 500 gb
msi xpower gaming titanium x370
corsair 460x case
hyper evo 212 cooler with
7970 (for now till big boy vega comes out)

 

[Malogeek]

Corsair vengence led ddr 4 3000 mhz speed 2x8 16gb CMU16GX4M2C3000

I have almost the same RAM (non LED). It's dual rank and apparently not rated very high for AMD systems because of that, though the Samsung version is apparently fine according to AMD.

According to the Overclock3D review of Ryzen, that RAM he got running at 2933 on my X370-Pro motherboard after ASUS sent him an updated BIOS, which isn't available yet to the public. So based on that in theory it should be possible eventually to run at the intended speed, after some tuning by the motherboard manufacturers.

I'm trying to figure out whether I return my LPX and go for some G.Skill Trident instead, wait for the BIOS update before my 30 days limit on returning the RAM for refund is up, or see if their (the store's) 3200 version of the Vengeance LPX is version 5.39 (Samsung B's) and swap it out.

 

[Valantar]

https://community.amd.com/community...4/tips-for-building-a-better-amd-ryzen-system

We have internally observed good results from 2933, 3200, and 3500 MT/s rates with 16GB kits based on Samsung “B-die” memory chips. Potential kits include:

• Geil EVO X - GEX416GB3200C16DC [16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v]
• G.Skill Trident Z - F4-3200C16D-16GTZR [16-18-18-36 @ 1.35v]
• Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 VERSION 5.39 [16-18-18-36 @ 1.35v]

How am I supposed to know what "version" the memory is? That's not something shown on specifications.

Dammit, my kit is F4-3200C16D-16GTZB. Can't figure out what die it is. Oh well. (The specific model is printed on the package, if nothing else.)

Also, I'm starting to feel like some kind of collector of unusable PC parts now. Hey, Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, Biostar and all the others, how 'bout some motherboards, eh? Preferably some ITX ones. That'd be real swell.
My collection as of now:

There are some anti-kink springs that I've left out, and the tubing is being replaced with black EK "zero maintenance" (yes please!) tubing. Oh, and I need some more fittings. Custom water means a lot of parts, especially when you start getting the GPU involved... Also, after seeing how nice that EK rad looks, I'm sorely tempted to ditch my old, grotty, peeling salvaged 120 rad for a new EK one. Or I could just repaint it ... Hm.

 

[Malogeek]

Dammit, my kit is F4-3200C16D-16GTZB. Can't figure out what die it is. Oh well. (The specific model is printed on the package, if nothing else.)

I believe the "R" is for RGB and could be basically the identical RAM.

 

[Valantar]

I believe the "R" is for RGB and could be basically the identical RAM.

Hm, if true, that's nice. Now, I could of course try it out myself. If I only had a motherboard. Gah.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

MSI Gaming Pro Carbon X370 in stock on Newegg, gettem while they're hot!

 

[Chiropteran]

I was about to ask what kind of headphones you are using but you mentioned that. I have 300 ohm Sennheiser headphones that I'm using with my MSI gaming AM3+ board and they are merely tolerable at maximum volume. Nineteen ohm headphones should be extremely loud.

Is there a gain setting anywhere in the software control panel? I believe some of the higher priced add-in sound cards include the ability to adjust gain.

I've been through all the settings. Various settings like "loudness equalization" on or off, doesn't seem to make a significant difference. It's a very common issue, but the reported fixes don't seem to work in my case-

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=realtek+hd+audio+headphones+too+quiet&atb=v55-1&ia=web

There are a ton of things to try, but nothing has worked for me. Meh. I think I'll just buy a sound card for $40. I used to hate creative's driver quality but it's still better than this.

 

[Burpo]

MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon..

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...PlDeJtUkX1O7OotQOn4K4hoCZmbw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[Chiropteran]

Switched from my headset to some HD 280 Pro 64 ohm headphones. Much louder with these, but I need the headset for it's mic.

I had an idea that maybe having both plugged in at once would give greater volume to the headset, but no- headset is as quiet as always and the 64 ohm headphones go to completely inaudible with both plugged in.

 

[PG]

We have internally observed good results from 2933, 3200, and 3500 MT/s rates with 16GB kits based on Samsung “B-die” memory chips. Potential kits include:

• Geil EVO X - GEX416GB3200C16DC [16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v]
• G.Skill Trident Z - F4-3200C16D-16GTZR [16-18-18-36 @ 1.35v]
• Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 VERSION 5.39 [16-18-18-36 @ 1.35v]
  

I see something fishy with that statement from AMD. Corsair has a list of DDR3 memory IC used, and 5.XX used to be Hynix, not Samsung. Yes, I get it, that's old and DDR3, but I don't think they would have changed their whole version scheme just because they changed from DDR3 to DDR4.


http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=68811



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[Markfw]

MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon..

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...PlDeJtUkX1O7OotQOn4K4hoCZmbw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

gone

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

Switched from my headset to some HD 280 Pro 64 ohm headphones. Much louder with these, but I need the headset for it's mic.

I had an idea that maybe having both plugged in at once would give greater volume to the headset, but no- headset is as quiet as always and the 64 ohm headphones go to completely inaudible with both plugged in.

That's very odd, my JVC RX-900's I have to keep my volume @ 14% to not blow out my ears....

 

[Malogeek]

I see something fishy with that statement from AMD. Corsair has a list of DDR3 memory IC used, and 5.XX used to be Hynix, not Samsung. Yes, I get it, that's old and DDR3, but I don't think they would have changed their whole version scheme just because they changed from DDR3 to DDR4.

Well they state a specific version number. My CMK16GX4M2B3000C16 are 5.30 so I'm guessing the 5.39 version they switched to Samsung chips.

 

[Chiropteran]

That's very odd, my JVC RX-900's I have to keep my volume @ 14% to not blow out my ears....

My understand is it's a problem with the realtek port detection. My 64ohm headphones are properly detected as headphones, amplified and such the volume is plenty loud. With my headset plugged in, the realtek driver thinks it's just line out to another device or powered speakers, and no amplification occurs and volume is low. In theory, a different headset might be properly detected as headphones and work fine with full volume, but I'm not about to switch headsets.

Supposedly the fix is as simple as opening the realtek audio manager, right clicking the port and forcing it to change to headphones- but with the version of the driver provided for my motherboard, and realtek's generic driver, right clicking the port doesn't bring up anything at all.

I've about given up, already ordered a sound card from Amazon.

 

[Wall Street]

So Gigabyte published a new BIOS for the Aorus AX370 Gaming 5. Here is the changelog:

1. Beta BIOS
2. Enable XSplit Broadcaster / Gamecaster 12 months premium license

I think that they are trolling us now. The one non-Beta BIOS is to improve DOS compatibility, and now we get another beta BIOS? And that is for some stupid game streaming software? Good to know your priorities Gigabyte...

 

[dnavas]

So Gigabyte published a new BIOS for the Aorus AX370 Gaming 5.

Hmm, I don't see a new one here: http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-5-rev-10#support-dl Where do you see one? Last BIOS release on the .us site is March 2nd.

 

[Valantar]

My understand is it's a problem with the realtek port detection. My 64ohm headphones are properly detected as headphones, amplified and such the volume is plenty loud. With my headset plugged in, the realtek driver thinks it's just line out to another device or powered speakers, and no amplification occurs and volume is low. In theory, a different headset might be properly detected as headphones and work fine with full volume, but I'm not about to switch headsets.

Supposedly the fix is as simple as opening the realtek audio manager, right clicking the port and forcing it to change to headphones- but with the version of the driver provided for my motherboard, and realtek's generic driver, right clicking the port doesn't bring up anything at all.

I've about given up, already ordered a sound card from Amazon.

Why not get a proper external dac/amp? That way you avoid EMI noise from inside your case, and often get better components to boot. Sennheiser launched a series that's been very well recieved just recently: https://en-us.sennheiser.com/gaming-amplifiers-accessories
Supposedly they have great audio quality, good surround emulation (if you want it), and a few (actually useful!) extra features. Given that it's external, it'll last you as long as USB and Windows is a thing, too, no matter what form factor your next 1, 2, 5 or whatever PCs are.

 

[Chiropteran]

I saw those while I was looking at sound cards. TBH, I have a small desk and I want to avoid the extra clutter, so I'm going to try an internal sound card first. Otherwise I would give one a try.

There are also incredibly cheap USB "sound cards" like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Alum...qid=1489507814&sr=1-7&keywords=usb+sound+card

 

[Valantar]

There are also incredibly cheap USB "sound cards" like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Alum...qid=1489507814&sr=1-7&keywords=usb+sound+card

If you plug your beautiful Sennheisers into something like that I'll personally come over there and cut off your headphone cord. It'll probably sound better then

I bought a NuForce uDac3, which is excellent, though it lacks the bells and whistles of the Sennheiser. Also, it lacks a mic input. It's tiny, though, and i attached it underneath a corner of my desk with double sided tape and can't even see it. Also, I love the physical volume dial. Love it.