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Any one who has the Asus Hero VI could you tell me how long it takes for your motherboard to power up and boot into windows? I got my Rig put together today with a r7 1800x and using a Sandisk 256GB SSD with Windows 10 takes like one full minute to and one and a half full minutes just to get into windows.The second I power on the unit it goes through like 20 or 30 post codes then powers on the motherboard then runs more post code checks then finally decides to boot into windows.. Is this normal?

It takes that long on my Hero and MSI Titanium, so I'm assuming this is a problem with AM4 motherboards (or at least X370) in general right now.

EDIT: Just updated the BIOS on the Hero, possible it's fixed now
 
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DisEnchantment

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No No No No Nooooooooooooooooooooooo...!! I just restarted my computer and when it powered back on it black screened on me and now says "Bios is updating" "Do not shut down or reset the system to prevent system bootup failure". I did nothing!! I didnt even ask it to update my bios. omg what do I do?? is there a way out of this? its not doing anything, its just been sitting at this screen for like 10 mins now. do I need to press enter or something? dear god I hope its not gonna brick on me.

You better leave it there, Never know. Wait for a while.
 

dnavas

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Ryzen disables any and all power saving features when overclocked, and locks the CPU in the P0 state. Constant OCs thus leaf to high idle temps and never downclocking.

Shame, really, because the idle power use is amazing. I'm seeing 53W with display off, and 69 (I think) with dual-4k active on, but otherwise nothing going on. Both are lower than my 860-based computer. By a significant amount.
 

CuriousMike

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Ryzen disables any and all power saving features when overclocked, and locks the CPU in the P0 state. Constant OCs thus leaf to high idle temps and never downclocking.

So, in other words, once overclocked ALWAYS overclocked?
 

DisEnchantment

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But speaking of R7 temps always have to mention if X or non X. Its crazy. I think @CuriousMike you have such low temps since you own an R7 1700. I have never been this confused since I got my first PC with Thunder Bird 12 years ago. That Thunder Bird ran crazy hot and it burnt when my cooler collected dust and became ineffective after which I got myself XP3200.
 

Valantar

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So, in other words, once overclocked ALWAYS overclocked?
Until you disable it, yes. It won't throttle to save power, regardless of use (or lack thereof) or for any other reason AFAIK. Does Ryzen Master have support for OC profiles? This would be a perfect use case for those, if so.
 

Valantar

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Shame, really, because the idle power use is amazing. I'm seeing 53W with display off, and 69 (I think) with dual-4k active on, but otherwise nothing going on. Both are lower than my 860-based computer. By a significant amount.
That's the argument for buying a higher end SKU, I suppose Although if you already have an 1800X, I guess there isn't much to do.
 

SketchMaster

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No No No No Nooooooooooooooooooooooo...!! I just restarted my computer and when it powered back on it black screened on me and now says "Bios is updating" "Do not shut down or reset the system to prevent system bootup failure". I did nothing!! I didnt even ask it to update my bios. omg what do I do?? is there a way out of this? its not doing anything, its just been sitting at this screen for like 10 mins now. do I need to press enter or something? dear god I hope its not gonna brick on me.

Do nothing. Go watch a movie, read a book, make a batch of cookies, eat the cookies while you do your taxes.

Let it sit overnight, do not disturb it until at least 8hrs have gone by.
 

SketchMaster

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Welp, got the 1700 up to 4Ghz with 1.38V (LLC brings it up to 1.395V) and it seems to be steady in OCCT for 4min so far. If it passes 10min I'll push to 4.1Ghz.

Still running 902 bios on my C6h, may go for the latest beta BIOS here soon.

Edit: Passed!
Trying for 4.1Ghz
 
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Markfw

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Welp, got the 1700 up to 4Ghz with 1.38V (LLC brings it up to 1.395V) and it seems to be steady in OCCT for 4min so far. If it passes 10min I'll push to 4.1Ghz.

Still running 902 bios on my C6h, may go for the latest beta BIOS here soon.
I was up to 1.406 and still could not keep the 1800x stable at 4.0. I think its the $89 motherboard.

I WANT MY TAICHI !!! still unavailable.
 
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SketchMaster

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I was up to 1.406 and still could not keep the 1800x stable at 4.0. I think its the $89 motherboard.

I WANT MY TAICHI !!! still unavailable.

If it makes you feel better, 4.1 is a no go even with > 1.42V of roids pumping into it. :/
 

SketchMaster

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What does llc do that makes it different from adding more voltage?

It helps keep the voltage from dropping too low under load. I found without LLC the c6h would droop by > .02v and cause the system to lock. Only issue with it is it can boost the voltage if you raise it too much..
 

Markfw

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It helps keep the voltage from dropping too low under load. I found without LLC the c6h would droop by > .02v and cause the system to lock. Only issue with it is it can boost the voltage if you raise it too much..
where is that in the BIOS ? of course I have different bios, and MB company(ASRock), but maybe that was the problem, and maybe the menu location is similar,.

I could do 4.0 on 1.3875, but it would only last 20 minutes@100% load.
 

CuriousMike

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As an FYI, my board running at 2933Mhz has an issue.

When cold-booting with that setting, the boot will fail. I go into the BIOS, reset it, and it will then (warm?) boot at 2933.

Also, I have the Corsair memory that is supposed to be good for 3200mhz, and it won't boot at all at that speed.
 

Malogeek

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Until you disable it, yes. It won't throttle to save power, regardless of use (or lack thereof) or for any other reason AFAIK. Does Ryzen Master have support for OC profiles? This would be a perfect use case for those, if so.
I'm not sure about this. If I OC my 1700 to 3.8Ghz and 1.3v, when it's idle the AI Suite shows me using maybe a few watts more than non-OC and temps barely budge. Of course when I apply load that wattage skyrockets but I believe it's still hitting some kind of power saving state. Besides, Ryzen's never throttle below their minimum unlike an Intel anyway right? I've never seen my 1700 below 3Ghz.
 

Malogeek

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Also, I have the Corsair memory that is supposed to be good for 3200mhz, and it won't boot at all at that speed.
Be glad to can get it to 2933 at the moment. You have the Samsung version of the LPX so at least you can get to that speed. The non-Samsung version of those LPX DIMMs can't go higher than 2400.
 

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Malogeek

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Ah nice. I just bought the CL16 version of that ram. Was on sale for $120. If I can reach 2933 at the XMP timings then I'll be very happy till they tweak everything.
 
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