AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[dnavas]

Yours is specifically version 5.39 as well?

Yessir it is.

Update on 4Ghz OC -- failed in soak. Failed in soak at 1.4V as well. Down to 3.9 for me!

 

[DrMrLordX]

Cant seem to run anything over 2133 with my Patriot DIMMs and my Gigabyte AB350M. Latest beta bios F3c

You tried OC with Ryzen Master yet? I get the same trouble OCing in UEFI.

Btw I do not remember what ICs you get with Corsair ver 5.31 but I think those are Hynix.

edit: All Corsair ver 4.x is Samsung. ver 5.x is Hynix. I know 5.29 is Hynix anyway.

With Corsair, if you get ver 4.31, you are getting Samsun b-die.

 

[dnavas]

All Corsair ver 4.x is Samsung. ver 5.x is Hynix. I know 5.29 is Hynix anyway.

With Corsair, if you get ver 4.31, you are getting Samsun b-die.

Ahh, I bet that's the diff.
Maybe I need to try some of that Tridentz 3200....

 

[DrMrLordX]

G.Skill uses different labeling conventions, but with a little research you can find b-die. It may not be cheap though. The days of finding b-die and e-die on random DIMMs sold on eBay are over.

 

[Malogeek]

Ahh, I bet that's the diff.
Maybe I need to try some of that Tridentz 3200....

Version 5.39 Corsair is Samsung B, you're lucky.

 

[dnavas]

Version 5.39 Corsair is Samsung B, you're lucky.

Heh, well, I don't feel lucky, given it isn't stable at 3200
[Bought at Fry's as well, not EBay, so, paid a pretty penny.]

At least that info will save me from another return to NewEgg when the TridentZ (likely) wouldn't have worked out either, so many thanks!

 

[Shmee]

You tried OC with Ryzen Master yet? I get the same trouble OCing in UEFI.

Btw I do not remember what ICs you get with Corsair ver 5.31 but I think those are Hynix.

edit: All Corsair ver 4.x is Samsung. ver 5.x is Hynix. I know 5.29 is Hynix anyway.

With Corsair, if you get ver 4.31, you are getting Samsun b-die.

I can give Ryzen master a shot. And the memory I am using is Patriot, not Corsair.

 

[Malogeek]

Heh, well, I don't feel lucky, given it isn't stable at 3200

If you're managing 2933 stable then you're doing well, still early days. I'm sure you'll achieve target speeds eventually once things have improved with motherboards.

 

[DrMrLordX]

And the memory I am using is Patriot, not Corsair.

Ah okay, hence my confusion.

edit: if you need to know for sure what ICs you have, try Thaiphoon Burner:

http://www.softnology.biz/files.html

 

[dnavas]

If you're managing 2933 stable then you're doing well, still early days. I'm sure you'll achieve target speeds eventually once things have improved with motherboards.

ed: Argh, too many respondents CuriousMike is managing 2933 with those.
I'm not managing stability with anything over stock

 

[Grep_Linux]

So, since I didn't get the memo until after buying ,since the ram I have is 3000, will I be able to run it at a lower speed (2133|2666|2933)? Or is 3k memory borked and not going to work at all? I didn't know until the video about avoiding 3000.

 

[CuriousMike]

My GB Gaming 5 board will boot using that RAM@3200, but it isn't stable under multi-threaded load (Prime95 and/or my NLE). It's only stable at 2133 for me right now. Not entirely happy about that -- the RAM is on their list (well, the 64GX4M8, which is just the 8 stick variety).
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I'm not particularly patient running extreme stability tests - but I've gamed for hours @ 3.8 and 2933 and just ran Prime95 for > 30 minutes without incident.
Ryzen Master is showing my CPU voltage at 1.18750V - running with the stock cooler, I hit 89'C at points during the Prime test -- then it would drop into the mid 70's, then up to the 80's and vascillated somewhere between. The CPU never seemed to throttle when it was getting hot.
Gaming, I've not seen it get above 59'.

 

[Malogeek]

I'm not managing stability with anything over stock

Ah ok sorry. Each motherboard has it's quirks and different memory it likes it seems. With my motherboard/bios, if I set all the timings to the DIMMs advertised ratings and speed to 2400, it doesn't post. If I set all the timings first, save/reboot, then set speed, it works. Quirky

So, since I didn't get the memo until after buying ,since the ram I have is 3000, will I be able to run it at a lower speed (2133|2666|2933)? Or is 3k memory borked and not going to work at all? I didn't know until the video about avoiding 3000.

Firstly there is no "3000" with Ryzen, any 3000 RAM will be 2933 closest speed instead. Secondly, your RAM will default at startup to JEDEC spec for the DIMM, which will likely be it's loosest default timings and 2133Mhz. It will still work fine and be stable, you just may or may not be able to overclock (yet). Remember that the speeds for DIMMs like 3000 is an overclock over the JEDEC rated speeds for the chips. The RAM manufacturers bin the chips, put them on better wafers, put heatsinks on them and test them to be capable of higher speeds. Those speeds are the advertised ones you're actually buying.

 

[dnavas]

just ran Prime95 for > 30 minutes without incident.

To be clear, using the RAM-intensive Prime95 setting (forget what it's called), my system lasts about 250ms before shutting down. Roughly

In my NLE it can last a few seconds before it dies.

Sadly, patience not required

 

[DrMrLordX]

Blend is the one that uses the most memory.

 

[imported_jjj]

So, since I didn't get the memo until after buying ,since the ram I have is 3000, will I be able to run it at a lower speed (2133|2666|2933)? Or is 3k memory borked and not going to work at all? I didn't know until the video about avoiding 3000.

Memory support is complicated for now so you'll need to check the mobo's support list and figure out what you can get out of your kit, i can't quickly find if you've mentioned what kit you have.
As for 3000MHz ,there is no problem, it just runs 2% slower at 2933, no big deal.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Memory support is complicated for now so you'll need to check the mobo's support list and figure out what you can get out of your kit, i can't quickly find if you've mentioned what kit you have.
As for 3000MHz ,there is no problem, it just runs 2% slower at 2933, no big deal.

Technically DDR4-3000 doesn't exist, it's really DDR4-2933 rounded up. There are maybe some XMP profiles that achieve it with bclk OC. That's it.

edit: unless there's some mobo out there with ratios for it, but I have not seen one. I know the ratio for DDR4-3200 is listed as 48:3 in CPU-z which is understandable, but a little weird. There could be a 45:3 ratio out there, somewhere.

 

[CuriousMike]

Blend is the one that uses the most memory.

Cool, that is the default that comes up... so I know I have a modicum of memory stability.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Win10 has a memory testing utiltiy. You can also boot memtest86/memtest86+ if you like. But Prime95 Blend is a pretty good indicator.

 

[snarfbot]

Cpuz misreports voltage for sure it sometimes reports over 2 volts I didn't try to figure out why it's definitely wrong.

 

[Nemesizx]

Built a system comprising of a Ryzen 1700, 16GB DDR4 2400mhz Crucial Ballistix Sports LT, Asus AM4 Prime B350 Plus Bios 503, and CM Hyper212+. Just a few quick observations and heads up on a few issues with the build to help users plan to avoid the problems.

Firstly the Cooler Masters 'Free' (costing £7) retention clip which allows the Hyper 212 Cooler series to be used on an AM4 board. Yes simple to install, doesn't require the motherboard back plate to be removed, but the real criticism is that heat sink is now vertical pushing the air towards the graphics card, not horizontal for the stale air to be dissipated by the rear chassis fans.

The Motherboard AM4 Asus Prime Plus first impressions satisfactory, if somewhat small and sparse but required a PCI slot to install an old Creative SB X-fi card. Positioning of the connectors for the CPU, and Fans underneath the PSU and with an old server case slightly disrupts the air flow, but with new cases simple to tidy up. The problem is the mainboard only comes with 3 Fan connectors including one for the CPU. Although the biggest gripe and annoyance is that if you over-clock, and the system fails to boot, to return the CMOS back to factory settings, the user has to short the RTC header two pins with a screwdriver! I was extremely surprised by the stupidity, and cheap design, why not instead use a three pin header (on & off) and include a jumper? Also the board is quite thin, and with the screw placements without due care can easily flex when installing the 24 pin ATX power connector.

Software and booting of the AM4 Prime Plus, took about twenty seconds to pre-boot before POST. As always with the ASUS UEFI / (AMIbios) Bios use a proprietary design that takes a few minutes to learn, otherwise simple to use. Adjusting the settings the pre-boot time is reduced to thirteen seconds. The overclocking settings are easily accessible, simple to use but sadly my 2400mhz DDR4 memory has no room for adjustment, as the system fails to boot with any adjustment (unless it an issue with the Bios?). Concerning updating the BIOS, simple, took only a few minutes, as it was quick and easy to navigate with ASUS flash software, and a memory stick installed with the latest bios firmware to 503.

Inside Windows 10, took a few minutes to update the operating system with the latest software. (Haven't had time for a clean install). At present running the system on silent mode with the ASUS AI suite software, stable, and slightly overclocked at 3400mhz 34 x100mhz - (temperature Idle 36-44C). Although as many people are stating there are major discrepancies with the reporting of and fluctuating CPU temperature and voltage spiking in the Ryzen Master utility, ASUS Ai suite and Bios.

 

[Malogeek]

Firstly the Cooler Masters 'Free' (costing £7) retention clip which allows the Hyper 212 Cooler series to be used on an AM4 board. Yes simple to install, doesn't require the motherboard back plate to be removed, but the real criticism is that heat sink is now vertical pushing the air towards the graphics card, not horizontal for the stale air to be dissipated by the rear chassis fans.

That's the issue I have with my Arctic Freezer 13, the AMD clips that came with it were AM4 compatible but it's north/south now. I have it pushing air into the PSU which has it's own fan as well but it's not really an ideal setup.

I'm limited by max cooler height so trying to figure out my best option for 135mm and below.

 

[Valantar]

That's the issue I have with my Arctic Freezer 13, the AMD clips that came with it were AM4 compatible but it's north/south now. I have it pushing air into the PSU which has it's own fan as well but it's not really an ideal setup.

I'm limited by max cooler height so trying to figure out my best option for 135mm and below.

Yeah, seems that CM and some others have cheaped out in this regard. If they had gone with a design for the adapter that resembles their Intel socket mounts (two interlocking, adjustable crossing arms that hold the cooler down by a pin in the center), it would have been possible to install in both directions. Instead of this (which requires some non-basic parts like a spring-mounted tensioning screw), they made a simple stamped-steel bracket. Heck, they wouldn't even have had to make a backplate to match the new adapter, given how AM4 boards have one already. This is really too bad.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I dont know what to do about a cooling solution for the socket AM4 when my new motherboard arrives. The Crosshair VI Hero had a AM3+ socket hole mounts as well as the AM4 mounting holes which allowed me to use my Phanteks 14 PE.But now I wont be able to reuse that because I dont have the proper mounting clips compatible with AM4 and Phanteks doesn't have the proper mounting clips for sale yet.I am hoping to use this setup for 24/7 use so I a thinking air cooling would be my best option. Any Recommendations on what could keep a r7 1800x cool while doing batch encoding 24/7??

 

[Malogeek]

Any Recommendations on what could keep a r7 1800x cool while doing batch encoding 24/7??

What's your max cooler height?