AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[DrMrLordX]

Ohhh build thread!

Current rig:

AMD A10-7870k
Asus A88x-Pro
Silicon Power DDR3-2400 2x8GB CAS/CL11
Noctua NH-D14: lapped, with a Delta 120x120x25mm and Nidec Servo 120x120x38mm making a LOT of noise. Coolaboratory Liquid Ultra TIM.
EVGA P2 750W
512 GB Crucial MX200 SATA SSD
MSI 390 Gaming (mining only, BIOS h4xx3d)
Um some reference 290, probably a Gigabyte or XFX? I forget. Also a miner card w/ h4xx3d BIOS
Rosewill Thor v2
An HP 2035 monitor (lulz)

Yes, I use the iGPU exclusively for graphics

Planned rig:

AMD Ryzen 1800X
Asus Crosshair VI Hero
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3733 CAS/CL17 2x8GB (already purchased)
Noctua NH-D15S + mounting kit *or* NH-D15 SE-AM4 (not sure if the SE-AM4 has the offset design, but then it probably doesn't matter)
2x Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 RPM fans w/ NH-D15 mount clips (yes, you can get those from Noctua). And either CLU or ThermalGrizzly Conductonaut
EVGA P2 750W, though I might have to upgrade depending on how many mining cards I actually use with this rig . . .
512 GB Crucial MX200 SATA SSD
480 GB MydigitalSSD NVMe SSD
MSI 390 Gaming, might actually use it for graphics if I can get it to work. If not I'll repurpose some other card . . .
2x reference 290s. One of them is a Gigabyte, one an XFX, I think . . . anyway mining duty for these things assuming I don't blow up the PSU
Rosewill Thor v2
HP 2035 monitor

I might add Vega + a new monitor later. I doubt Vega has the right outputs for this old 1600x1200 DVI monitor.

I will miss having a robust iGPU. A bit.

 

[PPB]

400% totally this. Especially now that AMD is coming out with Ryzen. When was the last time you could build an AMD ITX system using one of their top-end processors (non-APU) + higher-end mobo (answer: Never). Now is the time for AMD to push into building into smaller, but powerful systems (Sandybridge ITX in 2011 anyone?? 2011!!)

They will definitely come. I hope people really dry out Ryzen's stock. So they see there is clearly demand for the chips and greenlight their ITX boards.

 

[tamz_msc]

Ohhh build thread!

Current rig:

AMD A10-7870k
Asus A88x-Pro
Silicon Power DDR3-2400 2x8GB CAS/CL11
Noctua NH-D14: lapped, with a Delta 120x120x25mm and Nidec Servo 120x120x38mm making a LOT of noise. Coolaboratory Liquid Ultra TIM.
EVGA P2 750W
512 GB Crucial MX200 SATA SSD
MSI 390 Gaming (mining only, BIOS h4xx3d)
Um some reference 290, probably a Gigabyte or XFX? I forget. Also a miner card w/ h4xx3d BIOS
Rosewill Thor v2
An HP 2035 monitor (lulz)

Yes, I use the iGPU exclusively for graphics

Planned rig:

AMD Ryzen 1800X
Asus Crosshair VI Hero
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3733 CAS/CL17 2x8GB (already purchased)
Noctua NH-D15S + mounting kit *or* NH-D15 SE-AM4 (not sure if the SE-AM4 has the offset design, but then it probably doesn't matter)
2x Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 RPM fans w/ NH-D15 mount clips (yes, you can get those from Noctua). And either CLU or ThermalGrizzly Conductonaut
EVGA P2 750W, though I might have to upgrade depending on how many mining cards I actually use with this rig . . .
512 GB Crucial MX200 SATA SSD
480 GB MydigitalSSD NVMe SSD
MSI 390 Gaming, might actually use it for graphics if I can get it to work. If not I'll repurpose some other card . . .
2x reference 290s. One of them is a Gigabyte, one an XFX, I think . . . anyway mining duty for these things assuming I don't blow up the PSU
Rosewill Thor v2
HP 2035 monitor

I might add Vega + a new monitor later. I doubt Vega has the right outputs for this old 1600x1200 DVI monitor.

I will miss having a robust iGPU. A bit.

Those Noctua fans are really noisy. I can't imagine having to bear with two of them.

 

[pj-]

I'm building a VR rig asap...

CPU: Ryzen 1800X
Cooling: 120mm AIO
Motherboard: X370 chipset not sure which brand yet
Storage: 512/500GB SSD probably M.2 NVME
RAM: Waiting on Motherboard Specs & Reviews. At least 16GB.
2TB Magnetic SATA drive for Game Library.
HTC Vive for VR.
Not sure on GPUs yet, probably going with 2x RX 480s in crossfire.
Already have an 80 plus gold 1000W PSU with sweet spot at a little over 500W.
Might reuse a case or buy a new one, not sure yet, depends on prices.

AMD cards are bad at VR, and I think there's a total of 2 games released so far that support sli/crossfire, and the scaling isn't particularly impressive

There is overhead associated with mgpu since only one gpu is actually connected to the HMD. You also lose out on big optimizations like single pass stereo which is obviously only possible on a single gpu.

Crossfire may be a good choice for vr in a few years but right now you'd be much better off with a single 1070

 

[Doom2pro]

AMD cards are bad at VR, and I think there's a total of 2 games released so far that support sli/crossfire, and the scaling isn't particularly impressive

There is overhead associated with mgpu since only one gpu is actually connected to the HMD. You also lose out on big optimizations like single pass stereo which is obviously only possible on a single gpu.

Crossfire may be a good choice for vr in a few years but right now you'd be much better off with a single 1070

No thx, I will do RX 480 and then when Vega arrives I'll get that and put the 480 in another machine.

 

[railroadmaster]

Woo recieved a bunch of parts. It feels like Christmas in February!

 

[DrMrLordX]

Those Noctua fans are really noisy. I can't imagine having to bear with two of them.

They will probably make less noise than the ones I have now.

 

[tamz_msc]

They will probably make less noise than the ones I have now.

What did you do with the stock fans on the NH-D14? The Industrial PPC 3000RPM at 41 dB is loud. That is the same sound level as some AIOs along with their pump and fans.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Oh, I put those aside some time ago. The fans I run now are . . . hmm something like 43 dB each. Maybe more for the Delta. It's been awhile since I looked up specs.

edit: The Delta is a AFB1212HE fan, which is listed as 41-44 dBa depending on the source. I forget which Nidec Servo fan I've got but it's in the same ballpark.

 

[tamz_msc]

You would get better acoustic performance with the 2000RPM version. Moreover they are designed for static pressure, so would be better suited to radiators.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Oh I know exactly what those fans are designed to do, which is why I want two of them. I would use three but that would be a bit much . . . and I do not think they'll work quite right over the RAM slots anyway, even with small heatspreaders. Regardless never underestimate the value of high static pressure for heatsink fans. I made the mistake of using a Silverstone FM-121 for a heatsink fan, which was a poor decision.

Maybe someday I'll go custom water to see how far I can push XFR, though then I'll become obsessed with radiator size and coolant velocity.

 

[lixlax]

Planning to upgrade to Rysen as well.

Currently i have:
FX8350
16GB DDR3 1600MHz (upgraded from 8GB recently, shouldn't really have done that as Rysen was so close))
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 (rev 4.0)
256GB MX100
1TB WD Black
Fractal Design Define R5
Cooler: NZXT Kraken X41 (I hope they're going to release new brackets since I like this cooler a lot)
R9 380 4GB (hopefully when Vega launches there'll be something faster in the 200-300€ range since I cant justify 480 to be big enough of a upgrade).

Going to upgrade CPU, mainboard and ram first. Most likely a 6c/12t Rysen for me but first I'll have to see perfomance and what the actual differences are between X/non-X and 95W/65W models (especially OC wise). Some nice B350 or if the prices are good then maybe even X370 (again reviews have to be seen). Since the RAM prices have been rising and are expected to raise even higher throughout 2017, I already bought 2x8GB, 2800MHz, CL14 Corsair "Vengeance LPX" DDR4 kit. Wild shot on the RAM, but I hope everything works out.

Next in line will be GPU, since 380 isn't quite enough to drive a 144HZ 1440p monitor in newer games.

 

[krumme]

400% totally this. Especially now that AMD is coming out with Ryzen. When was the last time you could build an AMD ITX system using one of their top-end processors (non-APU) + higher-end mobo (answer: Never). Now is the time for AMD to push into building into smaller, but powerful systems (Sandybridge ITX in 2011 anyone?? 2011!!)

Well. As the Stilt says there is to his knowledge no "technical" limitations. That was a surprice to me.

Secondly one can also say you dont have to be a genious to know there is a huge market for m itx boards. Its straight forward for everyone there is a huge market.

That raises the obvious question why we dont see more boards.

We might see the same effect as when athlon k7 launched where motherboard didnt dare to launch mb because they were afraid of Intel. As i recall asus didnt even put their name on the first k7 board ! It was that bad. Its this kind a light pressure a huge dude like Intel can do without beeing explicit about it. If we take both ultrabook and m itx i think its markets they want to protect. The oem and mb knows that. It might not be the usual outright pressure and bribing that otellini used to practice but a more subtle political stay good friend kind of reaction from the mb manufacturers. Perhaps helped with some good "advice" from the Intel sales force about relations and future benefits.

Selling is often a bit of a dirty dicipline even in a controlled environment like Intel and its not clear cut what happens and what defines loyality.

No matter what its a lost cause. Biostar will be propelled to the top now and the other be punished for dragging their feets. This is what can move Biostar past Asrock. Its an extremely good oportunity to get into the mindset of the first movers. The best marketing you can do.

 

[railroadmaster]

I changed my PC case from the Bitfenix Neos to the Deepcool Tesseract.

 

[Vesku]

Looks like my first Zen build will not be a server box, bit on some sale 2x8GB DDR4 3000 RAM.

I like the idea of trying out XFR but also curious to see how close the plain 1700 OC can get to the higher SKUs.

 

[Crumpet]

Silverstone have finally announced AM4 brackets.. to be released sometime in April, and only for some of the models like TD02 Lite, TD03 Lite and some of the newer air coolers I think.

NZXT just replied to me and said they will be making an AM4 bracket but no ETA as of yet.. they better hurry up I want a kraken x62 ¬_¬

 

[imported_jjj]

So far my thinking
- 8 cores 300-400$. 65W would be nice but depends on how it OCs, having XFR would be fun to play with so we'll see.
- mobo no idea, x370 for sure. The number, placement and cooling for the M.2 slots will matter.. Don't spend on sound cards so decent audio would be a plus. Dual ethernet maybe wifi might matter. I think there is at least one mobo with a 5G NIC but not paying a large premium for that.
- for cooling going air for low idle noise, unless Zen is really hot. No pump and a closed top would help with the idle noise.Load noise won't be much of a focus. So a Noctua D15 with Be Quiet Dark Rock 3 Pro as a backup in case i can't find the D15 with AM4 at the time of purchase.. If Zen is hot, Kraken X61.
- case for air, Define S with an extra front fan aligned with the CPU, if i can give up on lots of drive bays and the option of adding front controllers, hot swap bays and so on. More traditional alternatives, for now, Be Quiet 800 and Nanoxia 5. If i go water, not the Define S as it has no top air filter and would get noisy without the top cover- don't like front rads either. Maybe the Be Quiet 800 if the X61 fits but haven't fully considered what case to get with water yet as i hope to get away with air.
- M.2 SSD likely 512GB but not a great time for it, pricing wise. Likely a SATA SSD and 1 HDD for extra room and hopefully a 3D ReRAM PCIe x8 SSD in 2019-2020
- likely 2x16GB DRAM at 3200 or so, we'll see how Zen handles memory. Low profile to fit the D15. If the Ryzen Pro SKUs support buffered and we get mobos for them, 32GB modules could be an option but not sure i need more than 64GB in the next few years.
- PSU likely the Seasonic Prime Titanium 650W - BTW NCIX US had the 850W version at 65$ today somehow....
- GPU.. no idea. Not much as i don't care enough so 200-300$. The GPU is problematic as it's not a good time to buy a GPU when there should be refreshes soon. Might wait to see what Vega 11 is, what replaces the GTX 1060 or how low the 1070 prices go once there is competition for it - right now Nvidia is gauging prices as it is alone at the price points above Polaris 10.

The biggest problem is Win 10, just don't want to endorse their spyware practices. So will see how Win 7 works or might go Linux or maybe i'll just not buy Zen at all and never buy an x86 system again.I'll overpay for an ARM server board and have fun with that.This is the last desktop i'll need to build anyway, before glasses finish off the PC.

I could use a new screen too but don't quite like the options.38 inch extra wide 2160p at sane prices would be nice but nobody has that at any price. 27-29 inch are too small. Will have to settle for 32 inch 16:9 or 34 inch extra wide 1440p or 1600p but prices are not great at 34 inch. The 43 inch 4k Philips might be an option but not sure it's not too big.

 

[imported_jjj]

So now I'm curious: If I want a cooler that's low maintenance (hence no custom loops) and top performance (cools well but also quiet), what would you all recommend? Assume price is not an issue. In other words, I don't want "the best bang for the buck," I want "the best I can get for my bucks."

Factor in the case too, reviewers don't usually.
Any opening means noise. If you have a case with sound dampening on top (like Define S or Nanoxia 5 and so on) and you remove it to add a rad, it gets louder.
If you go front rad, the GPU airflow gets complicated so maybe water for the GPU too but that costs.Maybe a bottom fan that feeds the GPU with air could work well enough, unless you have more than 1 GPU.

Ofc if water or air is best, depends on the case too. Cases with no drive cages that allow for a front fan aligned with the CPU cooler, would fit air better.

 

[railroadmaster]

I got myself a unicomp keyboard for my Ryzen build, best keyboard in the world.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Dude, nice. I'd like to get an old DEC keyboard myself. I think there are some with PS/2 connectors.

 

[formulav8]

I went ahead and ordered ram for the build. 16GB GSkill 3000 @ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231875 for around $87 shipped with coupon at newegg. I was worried ram prices are going to get even worse so I ordered now even though they were $65 or whatever a few months ago. BTW if anyone wants the coupons they are

I may be stuck getting a 4c8t with the costly ram unfortunately.

Edit: removed expired codes.

 

[DrMrLordX]

$87 costly? I paid like $150 for 16 GB of RAM back in 2014. That ain't bad at all.

 

[formulav8]

In my instance, paying $87 is costly according to my wife for: "its only ram." in her eyes.

And in itself, being $65 not to long ago is a nice money difference (especially percentage).

 

[DrMrLordX]

Ah okay. Well in that case . . . ramen for you buddy!

 

[PPB]

Yeah, between the itx no show, the high ddr4 prices and the possible price gouging at zen prices at launch, ima hold off for a bit.

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