AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

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[Chiropteran]

I paid for 1-day shipping, yet my Ryzen order on amazon says "preparing to ship, estimated delivery Tuesday"

I could understand a Monday estimate, given that weekend delivery isn't always possible, but Tuesday? What is going on here?

 

[richierich1212]

Contact Amazon customer service. They should waive your overnight shipping fee.

 

[JimmiG]

My order arrived today. Going to pick it up later in the afternoon.

 

[krumme]

Edit (fixed it)

Just bricked my asus prime b350m mb trying to upgrade bios that went online today. Used the windows utility. Havnt tried anything similar for 30 years. Dont touch that crap. Its okey its not finished but if you cant safely update bios its useless. Even using windows.

It stopped midway and didnt move. Knew it was a small risk to restart but i couldnt restart the utility to reload. Tried to clear cmos and battery but clearly to bios is written bad. If anyone got some ideas super.

 

[sirmo]

Day 3.. none of the 3 orders for different motherboards I placed shipped (some going back to Feb 23th). The Asrock B350 motherboard from newegg has been in packaging status since last night. Although I should probably be concerned that Asrock doesn't even have any BIOS updates on the website for this motherboard.

Who's *** do I have to *** around here to get a motherboard? Is my general mood right now

I have a 1800X and the Noctua AM4 cooler + everything else, but at this point no idea when I will be able to put it together.

 

[krumme]

Edit (fixed it)

Just bricked my asus prime b350m mb trying to upgrade bios that went online today. Used the windows utility. Havnt tried anything similar for 30 years. Dont touch that crap. Its okey its not finished but if you cant safely update bios its useless. Even using windows.

It stopped midway and didnt move. Knew it was a small risk to restart but i couldnt restart the utility to reload. Tried to clear cmos and battery but clearly to bios is written bad. If anyone got some ideas super.

Fortunately i was able to make recovery using a usb pen with the new bios. Loaded fine in ez recovery utility. Good.

 

[richierich1212]

Fortunately i was able to make recovery using a usb pen with the new bios. Loaded fine in ez recovery utility. Good.

I don't trust the BIOS update software when in Windows. I've had hiccups before. When updating BIOS just try using the BIOS using USB stick within the BIOS.

 

[krumme]

For those using asus. I noticed they have new utilities online today. Already Alsuite 3 is much better than the one supplied on the disk.
So clearly download the stuff (yeaa as ususal - but it wasnt there yesterday )
They are clearly working like crazy to update this stuff.

 

[Elfear]

Usually, the process does get better as time goes on, that is no secret.
You can also wait for all the teething issues to get ironed out as well.
Same applies to the mobos, ever release that I can recall from every maker has needed BIOS updates, AMD or intel or VIA, they all have things they missed until more people try their boards and they find issues.

As if you should wait or not, only you know that, if your system is good enough, then wait, if not, you bite the bullet or make some choices.

If you can wait, I bet a new stepping or 1900X with more OC headroom or at least +100-200MHz stock clocks will be released.

I was hitting the limits of my 6700K already so I didn't want to wait.

Good plan. I'll "make due" with my Haswell chip for now and see how things look after the dust settles.

 

[Valantar]

So, based on reviews and the fact that there seems to be near-zero room for higher clocks on lower core count models, I'm leaning heavily towards ordering either a 1700 or 1700X.

My use case is mainly casual use (browsing, videos etc.), office tasks and gaming. I'm a bit of an edge case, as I just finished my masters in media studies, and I'm now working on a PhD application. If it wasn't obvious, game studies is my main field of interest (and what I wrote my masters on, and what my PhD project is about). As such, I'll most likely need to record quite a bit of video while gaming. I might end up doing some video work for publication too, although that's definitely not for sure. Mainly for analysis and review of whatever aspect I'm researching.

Outside of that, those of you that have read enough of my posts here might know that I like my hardware to last. And last and last and last. My previous desktop CPU is/was a Core2Quad Q9450. It gave up the ghost after nearly nine years.

I do feel a sort of deja vu about this, as when I bought that chip everyone was saying "get an E8400, Quads are useless for gaming!" Yet here I am, eight years later, and that quad has kept chugging along (with a 30% OC, but never mind) while no PC with a 2C2T CPU from 2008 is even remotely viable for gaming today. Sure, they got better FPS than me for a few years. Then they went obsolete. I feel the situation with "high clocked 4c8t is the best for gaming!" today might be a parallel to this. Of course, I might be wrong. But that's what motivates me towards buying Ryzen, anyway. After all, single core performance has largely stagnated, and even with Ryzen bringing back competition, I don't see it picking back up in a meaningful way.

With that in mind, do you agree that I should get a 1700(X)?

I'm leaning towards the X as I'd like to avoid overclocking for as long as possible, and I'm wary of the low all-core boost clock of the non-X, as well as losing all of Ryzen's power saving features. Alternatively, if it's easy to switch into (and out of) preconfigured OC modes from software in Windows that would make this more of an option.

Now, to keep this from really becoming a wall of text, I'll hold off on discussing my motherboard options.

 

[tamz_msc]

So, based on reviews and the fact that there seems to be near-zero room for higher clocks on lower core count models, I'm leaning heavily towards ordering either a 1700 or 1700X.

My use case is mainly casual use (browsing, videos etc.), office tasks and gaming. I'm a bit of an edge case, as I just finished my masters in media studies, and I'm now working on a PhD application. If it wasn't obvious, game studies is my main field of interest (and what I wrote my masters on, and what my PhD project is about). As such, I'll most likely need to record quite a bit of video while gaming. I might end up doing some video work for publication too, although that's definitely not for sure. Mainly for analysis and review of whatever aspect I'm researching.

Outside of that, those of you that have read enough of my posts here might know that I like my hardware to last. And last and last and last. My previous desktop CPU is/was a Core2Quad Q9450. It gave up the ghost after nearly nine years.

I do feel a sort of deja vu about this, as when I bought that chip everyone was saying "get an E8400, Quads are useless for gaming!" Yet here I am, eight years later, and that quad has kept chugging along (with a 30% OC, but never mind) while no PC with a 2C2T CPU from 2008 is even remotely viable for gaming today. Sure, they got better FPS than me for a few years. Then they went obsolete. I feel the situation with "high clocked 4c8t is the best for gaming!" today might be a parallel to this. Of course, I might be wrong. But that's what motivates me towards buying Ryzen, anyway. After all, single core performance has largely stagnated, and even with Ryzen bringing back competition, I don't see it picking back up in a meaningful way.

With that in mind, do you agree that I should get a 1700(X)?

I'm leaning towards the X as I'd like to avoid overclocking for as long as possible, and I'm wary of the low all-core boost clock of the non-X, as well as losing all of Ryzen's power saving features. Alternatively, if it's easy to switch into (and out of) preconfigured OC modes from software in Windows that would make this more of an option.

Now, to keep this from really becoming a wall of text, I'll hold off on discussing my motherboard options.

I was leaning towards the 1700X, but after seeing Stilt's numbers, I believe the 1700 is the way to go, especially for my SFF build. Just an insane level of efficiency. Not to mention where I live I can get both a 1700 and a NH-U14s for the price of the 1700X. I could go with the stock Wraith Spire, but it will be a high ambient temperature environment, hence better cooling is needed, especially for SFF.

 

[Valantar]

I was leaning towards the 1700X, but after seeing Stilt's numbers, I believe the 1700 is the way to go, especially for my SFF build. Just an insane level of efficiency. Not to mention where I live I can get both a 1700 and a NH-U14s for the price of the 1700X. I could go with the stock Wraith Spire, but it will be a high ambient temperature environment, hence better cooling is needed, especially for SFF.

While I agree to a certain extent, I have to balance absolute performance with efficiency as I don't plan to replace this CPU for at least 5 years (although I might consider moving to a last-generation AM4 CPU in 2020 or so if they're much faster). And yes, I'm factoring in that most games will probably make much better use of Ryzen's resources in the coming years. And I'm a) in a cold climate, and b) water cooling any way (custom loop including my Fury X to fit it all in a small case), so 30W more doesn't bother me. The price hike is noticeable, of course.

 

[Crono]

Just came back from Micro Center. Picked up final two parts for build: the CPU and motherboard (got impatient waiting on Amazon for the ASUS ROG Crosshair Hero VI, so I canceled that preorder). Admittedly the MSI black and white theme doesn't fit with the rest of this build, however I'll likely move it to a "frostier" case for a different build later on and put a Crosshair Hero in the P3 once they get easier to find and cheaper.

EDIT: after opening mobo box, it's actually more silvery ("titanium") than white.

 

[krumme]

I updated the bios on my asus prime b350m today and memory speed went from 2133c15 to 2933 (forgot the c and now its lost - its insane
fiddled some more and cant get back to 2933 only 2666c16.

 

[Stormflux]

Edit (fixed it)

Just bricked my asus prime b350m mb trying to upgrade bios that went online today. Used the windows utility. Havnt tried anything similar for 30 years. Dont touch that crap. Its okey its not finished but if you cant safely update bios its useless. Even using windows.

It stopped midway and didnt move. Knew it was a small risk to restart but i couldnt restart the utility to reload. Tried to clear cmos and battery but clearly to bios is written bad. If anyone got some ideas super.

Glad you were able to recover krumme. Looking forward to both of your builds progress.

I'm also looking for an mATX AM4 board, that Asus B350M Prime is the only one available on Newegg.ca currently. I would have liked to have gone for the Gigabyte. What were the reasons you went with that particular board?

Looking at the reddit AMD summary thread, this board only has a 6 VRMs, as opposed to the 9 on the AB350M Pro4, and the 7+1 on the GA-AB350M-Gaming 3? Does it matter? The ASRock doesn't list support for more than 2667 DDR4 memory, on their specifications page. Are you both using faster ram?

Thanks.

 

[tamz_msc]

I updated the bios on my asus prime b350m today and memory speed went from 2133c15 to 2933 (forgot the c and now its lost - its insane
fiddled some more and cant get back to 2933 only 2666c16.

That reminded me of a time when I forgot the details of a quest in Morrowind and had to flip through the wonderful journal system it had. Fun times.

 

[krumme]

Glad you were able to recover krumme. Looking forward to both of your builds progress.

I'm also looking for an mATX AM4 board, that Asus B350M Prime is the only one available on Newegg.ca currently. I would have liked to have gone for the Gigabyte. What were the reasons you went with that particular board?

Looking at the reddit AMD summary thread, this board only has a 6 VRMs, as opposed to the 9 on the AB350M Pro4, and the 7+1 on the GA-AB350M-Gaming 3? Does it matter? The ASRock doesn't list support for more than 2667 DDR4 memory, on their specifications page. Are you both using faster ram?

Thanks.

Its not the 6 VRM setting the limit for the cpu. If you dont overclock and run stock and spd for ram the board is fine and boots without drivers. So plug and play.
If you intend to overclock i think it will take a few weeks or month before the board is perfectly stable. It certainly is not ready yet for the ram. But its fast progress.

I mean its just today the tools and bios was made public. Its like buying a brand new car. Its not the most safe and rational.
But its a fun roller coaster for cpu nerds.

 

[krumme]

You guys might want to look at the memory compatability lists first before connecting the stuff.
Eg. for b350m (and for info updated a week ago) CMK16GX4M2B3600C18 is the fastest and go 3200C18.
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb...y_QVL.pdf?_ga=1.70791064.906218775.1486727841

The CMK16GX4M2B3600C18 is a pretty cheap type of memory.

 

[DisEnchantment]

New Member, I need info to build my Ryzen machine
I have problems trying to understand which one would suit me well.

Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 : OK, Minor OC on Air, will stock cooler do

Motherboard: B350 MicroATX , which one should I get, which Vendor will provide future BIOS updates

RAM: > 2x16GB 3000 MHz, CL15 would be OK? which RAM is most optimum. I cannot pay for expensive RAM.

I am curious if future BIOS updates could improve memory latency/performance. Also if microcode / firmware fixes in BIOS could improve CPU performance.
Also will there be a Win 10 patch for Ryzen? to improve performance. I am wondering if what I will get from 1700 could improve or if I have to go higher, but too expensive for not much performance boost.
I run Linux VMs in Win10 with lots of Compilation, and I want to game a little .
I want the 8 cores, finally I hope 1700 will be the one for me for 360 bucks.
The other components I am OK.

Please some one help me.
Many many thanks

 

[Zoffster1]

So frustrated at getting jerked around by Scan in the UK. Every day the Motherboard and CPU's were meant to be coming in, then the date would slip. Latest was that the motherboards were due in on Monday and the CPU's on the 16th!
Cancelled my order with them and hunted down two separate suppliers for the parts who both had stock. Was a close thing too, in the time it too me to process my motherboard transaction they went from 5 to 0 stock!

All I have is this...

 

[sirmo]

New Member, I need info to build my Ryzen machine
I have problems trying to understand which one would suit me well.

Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 : OK, Minor OC on Air, will stock cooler do

Motherboard: B350 MicroATX , which one should I get, which Vendor will provide future BIOS updates

RAM: > 2x16GB 3000 MHz, CL15 would be OK? which RAM is most optimum. I cannot pay for expensive RAM.

I am curious if future BIOS updates could improve memory latency/performance. Also if microcode / firmware fixes in BIOS could improve CPU performance.
Also will there be a Win 10 patch for Ryzen? to improve performance. I am wondering if what I will get from 1700 could improve or if I have to go higher, but too expensive for not much performance boost.
I run Linux VMs in Win10 with lots of Compilation, and I want to game a little .
I want the 8 cores, finally I hope 1700 will be the one for me for 360 bucks.
The other components I am OK.

Please some one help me.
Many many thanks

1700 is the best bang per buck. You're not giving up anything by not going 1700x or 1800x other than higher default clocks and a possible better overclocker chip. With that said I bought a 1800X for bragging rights I guess (been waiting a long time for (Ry)Zen).

microATX boards are just coming out.. I've seen one from Biostar.. these are budget boards, some people frown on them but I never had issues with them.. we haven't seen any motherboard reviews period let alone microATX. I am still trying to score a regular ATX X370 motherboard myself and having a helluva difficult time. But your usual ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI should all be ok..

As far as RAM goes from what we've learned samsung RAM chips are better than Hynix.. so if you can do some research buy the one that has Samsung RAM on it.. we're still figuring all this out..

Keep us posted as we're all learning the platform is brand new.

 

[piesquared]

New Member, I need info to build my Ryzen machine
I have problems trying to understand which one would suit me well.

Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 : OK, Minor OC on Air, will stock cooler do

Motherboard: B350 MicroATX , which one should I get, which Vendor will provide future BIOS updates

RAM: > 2x16GB 3000 MHz, CL15 would be OK? which RAM is most optimum. I cannot pay for expensive RAM.

I am curious if future BIOS updates could improve memory latency/performance. Also if microcode / firmware fixes in BIOS could improve CPU performance.
Also will there be a Win 10 patch for Ryzen? to improve performance. I am wondering if what I will get from 1700 could improve or if I have to go higher, but too expensive for not much performance boost.
I run Linux VMs in Win10 with lots of Compilation, and I want to game a little .
I want the 8 cores, finally I hope 1700 will be the one for me for 360 bucks.
The other components I am OK.

Please some one help me.
Many many thanks

I think all vendors will be releasing BIOS updates. They've already shown performance and compatibility improvements, likely to continue.
For RAM i'd say it's probably best for now to use the QVL for memory for your motherboard.
Not sure how much of an OC the Wraith cooler with the 1700 will allow but i intend to find out!

 

[Valantar]

Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 : OK, Minor OC on Air, will stock cooler do

Remember that unless you OC to or past max single core boost, you'll lose single threaded performance as boost is deactivated in OC mode. Might not be relevant to your workload, but worth mentioning.

As for a cooler, I'd definitely step up from the Wraith. Wraith max would probably OC decently, but for the one included with the 1700 I would wager that it's too weak for any real OC - again, remember that all power saving features are disabled in OC mode, immediately requiring better cooling. A Hyper 212 Evo or Cryorig H7 would be a drastic improvement.

 

[moonbogg]

Thought my motherboard arrived, but it was a different package. Amazon didn't have enough stock to fill my pre order. Won't be available again until April and AM4 boards are sold out across the continent. Looks like I can forget about this whole thing for at least a good month.